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From: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
To: Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@arm.com>
Cc: kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	"kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu" <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>,
	arm-mail-list <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/16] KVM: arm64: GICv3 ITS emulation
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 17:29:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFEAcA8r5LDbNG0XVnHnsoYcrfcpfnR3FQ_u=-L7Dop1HFVgxw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56E69CCA.5070407@arm.com>

On 14 March 2016 at 11:13, Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@arm.com> wrote:
> So I see two ways to fix this:
> 1.) we find a KVM specific way of letting userland save and restore the
> ITS tables directly
> 2.) we implement the BASER<n> registers, but still use our "cache" for
> normal operations. On demand we would serialize KVM's virtual ITS data
> structures and put them into the guest's memory, so they could be
> saved/restored from there.

I feel like we're rehashing a bunch of design choices we talked
through way back in the last-but-one Connect. I don't suppose
anybody wrote down our rationales from back then?

(In particular I forget whether we decided the ITS tables were
large enough to need to allow some sort of before-the-VM-stops
migration of the data, which would be relatively doable with
option 2 but painful under option 1.)

>> Only caveat there I think was that we had to decide on a storage format
>> in those memory regions, to allow QEMU to understand the state and to
>> ensure back/forwards compatibility between KVM versions.
>
> Do we need QEMU to actually understand this? Can't we just leave this
> all to the kernel and QEMU just passes on the data? That would still
> require some ABI stability between kernel versions in this respect, but
> it's less problematic than exposing the data format to userland at all.

This would preclude ever being able to migrate a VM from KVM to
TCG QEMU, which seems a shame. (That doesn't work right now, but
I'm a bit wary of shutting the door to it forever.)

thanks
-- PMM

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: peter.maydell@linaro.org (Peter Maydell)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v3 00/16] KVM: arm64: GICv3 ITS emulation
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 17:29:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFEAcA8r5LDbNG0XVnHnsoYcrfcpfnR3FQ_u=-L7Dop1HFVgxw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56E69CCA.5070407@arm.com>

On 14 March 2016 at 11:13, Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@arm.com> wrote:
> So I see two ways to fix this:
> 1.) we find a KVM specific way of letting userland save and restore the
> ITS tables directly
> 2.) we implement the BASER<n> registers, but still use our "cache" for
> normal operations. On demand we would serialize KVM's virtual ITS data
> structures and put them into the guest's memory, so they could be
> saved/restored from there.

I feel like we're rehashing a bunch of design choices we talked
through way back in the last-but-one Connect. I don't suppose
anybody wrote down our rationales from back then?

(In particular I forget whether we decided the ITS tables were
large enough to need to allow some sort of before-the-VM-stops
migration of the data, which would be relatively doable with
option 2 but painful under option 1.)

>> Only caveat there I think was that we had to decide on a storage format
>> in those memory regions, to allow QEMU to understand the state and to
>> ensure back/forwards compatibility between KVM versions.
>
> Do we need QEMU to actually understand this? Can't we just leave this
> all to the kernel and QEMU just passes on the data? That would still
> require some ABI stability between kernel versions in this respect, but
> it's less problematic than exposing the data format to userland at all.

This would preclude ever being able to migrate a VM from KVM to
TCG QEMU, which seems a shame. (That doesn't work right now, but
I'm a bit wary of shutting the door to it forever.)

thanks
-- PMM

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-14 17:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-07 14:55 [PATCH v3 00/16] KVM: arm64: GICv3 ITS emulation Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55 ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 01/16] KVM: arm/arm64: VGIC: don't track used LRs in the distributor Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 02/16] KVM: arm/arm64: remove now unused code after stay-in-LR rework Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 03/16] KVM: extend struct kvm_msi to hold a 32-bit device ID Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 04/16] KVM: arm/arm64: add emulation model specific destroy function Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 05/16] KVM: arm/arm64: extend arch CAP checks to allow per-VM capabilities Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 06/16] KVM: arm/arm64: make GIC frame address initialization model specific Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 07/16] KVM: arm64: Introduce new MMIO region for the ITS base address Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 08/16] KVM: arm64: handle ITS related GICv3 redistributor registers Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-22 15:46   ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-22 15:46     ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-22 15:55     ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-22 15:55       ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 09/16] KVM: arm64: introduce ITS emulation file with stub functions Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 10/16] KVM: arm64: implement basic ITS register handlers Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 11/16] KVM: arm64: add data structures to model ITS interrupt translation Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 12/16] KVM: arm64: handle pending bit for LPIs in ITS emulation Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 15:10   ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-07 15:10     ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-07 15:35     ` Marc Zyngier
2015-10-07 15:35       ` Marc Zyngier
2015-10-07 15:46       ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-07 15:46         ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-07 15:49         ` Marc Zyngier
2015-10-07 15:49           ` Marc Zyngier
2015-10-12  7:40   ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-12  7:40     ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-12 11:39     ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-12 11:39       ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-12 14:17     ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-12 14:17       ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 13/16] KVM: arm64: sync LPI configuration and pending tables Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-21 11:29   ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-21 11:29     ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 14/16] KVM: arm64: implement ITS command queue command handlers Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-14 12:26   ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-14 12:26     ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 15/16] KVM: arm64: implement MSI injection in ITS emulation Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-11-25 13:28   ` Pavel Fedin
2015-11-25 13:28     ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-07 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 16/16] KVM: arm64: enable ITS emulation as a virtual MSI controller Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 14:55   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-07 16:05 ` [PATCH v3 00/16] KVM: arm64: GICv3 ITS emulation Pavel Fedin
2015-10-07 16:05   ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-07 16:22   ` Marc Zyngier
2015-10-07 16:22     ` Marc Zyngier
2015-10-07 18:09     ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-07 18:09       ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-07 19:48       ` Marc Zyngier
2015-10-07 19:48         ` Marc Zyngier
2015-10-07 19:48         ` Marc Zyngier
2015-10-08  8:41         ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-08  8:41           ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-10 15:37 ` Christoffer Dall
2015-10-10 15:37   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-10-12 14:12   ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-12 14:12     ` Andre Przywara
2015-10-12 15:18     ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-12 15:18       ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-14  8:48       ` Eric Auger
2015-10-14  8:48         ` Eric Auger
2015-10-14  8:50         ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-14  8:50           ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-13 15:46 ` Pavel Fedin
2015-10-13 15:46   ` Pavel Fedin
2016-03-09 11:35 ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-03-09 11:35   ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-03-13 18:16   ` Christoffer Dall
2016-03-13 18:16     ` Christoffer Dall
2016-03-14 11:13     ` Andre Przywara
2016-03-14 11:13       ` Andre Przywara
2016-03-14 17:29       ` Peter Maydell [this message]
2016-03-14 17:29         ` Peter Maydell
2016-03-14 17:54         ` Marc Zyngier
2016-03-14 17:54           ` Marc Zyngier
2016-03-14 18:20           ` Andre Przywara
2016-03-14 18:20             ` Andre Przywara
2016-03-14 18:36             ` Marc Zyngier
2016-03-14 18:36               ` Marc Zyngier
2016-03-18  9:40             ` Christoffer Dall
2016-03-18  9:40               ` Christoffer Dall
2016-03-18 17:14               ` Peter Maydell
2016-03-18 17:14                 ` Peter Maydell
2016-03-18  9:38         ` Christoffer Dall
2016-03-18  9:38           ` Christoffer Dall

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