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From: Matteo Croce <mcroce@linux.microsoft.com>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>
Cc: Bin Meng <bmeng.cn@gmail.com>,
	Emil Renner Berthing <kernel@esmil.dk>,
	Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Atish Patra <atish.patra@wdc.com>,
	Akira Tsukamoto <akira.tsukamoto@gmail.com>,
	Drew Fustini <drew@beagleboard.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] riscv: optimized memcpy
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 21:06:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFnufp2OiF6-ta5og9u-foKDT2fqE171NvfowFkUr2jc4KJEDQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <db7a011867a742528beb6ec17b692842@AcuMS.aculab.com>

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 10:24 AM David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com> wrote:
>
> From: Matteo Croce
> > Sent: 16 June 2021 03:02
> ...
> > > > That's a good idea, but if you read the replies to Gary's original
> > > > patch
> > > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/20210216225555.4976-1-gary@garyguo.net/
> > > > .. both Gary, Palmer and David would rather like a C-based version.
> > > > This is one attempt at providing that.
> > >
> > > Yep, I prefer C as well :)
> > >
> > > But if you check commit 04091d6, the assembly version was introduced
> > > for KASAN. So if we are to change it back to C, please make sure KASAN
> > > is not broken.
> > >
> ...
> > Leaving out the first memcpy/set of every test which is always slower, (maybe
> > because of a cache miss?), the current implementation copies 260 Mb/s when
> > the low order bits match, and 114 otherwise.
> > Memset is stable at 278 Mb/s.
> >
> > Gary's implementation is much faster, copies still 260 Mb/s when euqlly placed,
> > and 230 Mb/s otherwise. Memset is the same as the current one.
>
> Any idea what the attainable performance is for the cpu you are using?
> Since both memset and memcpy are running at much the same speed
> I suspect it is all limited by the writes.
>
> 272MB/s is only 34M writes/sec.
> This seems horribly slow for a modern cpu.
> So is this actually really limited by the cache writes to physical memory?
>
> You might want to do some tests (userspace is fine) where you
> check much smaller lengths that definitely sit within the data cache.
>

I get similar results in userspace, this tool write to RAM with
variable data width:

root@beaglev:~/src# ./unalign_check 1 0 1
size:           1 Mb
write size:      8 bit
unalignment:    0 byte
elapsed time:   0.01 sec
throughput:     124.36 Mb/s

# ./unalign_check 1 0 8
size:           1 Mb
write size:      64 bit
unalignment:    0 byte
elapsed time:   0.00 sec
throughput:     252.12 Mb/s

> It is also worth checking how much overhead there is for
> short copies - they are almost certainly more common than
> you might expect.
> This is one problem with excessive loop unrolling - the 'special
> cases' for the ends of the buffer start having a big effect
> on small copies.
>

I too believe that they are much more common than long ones.
Indeed, I wish to reduce the MIN_THRESHOLD value from 64 to 32 or even 16.
Or having it dependend on the word size, e.g. sizeof(long) * 2.

Suggestions?

> For cpu that support misaligned memory accesses, one 'trick'
> for transfers longer than a 'word' is to do a (probably) misaligned
> transfer of the last word of the buffer first followed by the
> transfer of the rest of the buffer (overlapping a few bytes at the end).
> This saves on conditionals and temporary values.
>
>         David
>
> -
> Registered Address Lakeside, Bramley Road, Mount Farm, Milton Keynes, MK1 1PT, UK
> Registration No: 1397386 (Wales)
>

Regards,
-- 
per aspera ad upstream

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Matteo Croce <mcroce@linux.microsoft.com>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>
Cc: Bin Meng <bmeng.cn@gmail.com>,
	Emil Renner Berthing <kernel@esmil.dk>,
	Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
	 "linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	 "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	 Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	 Atish Patra <atish.patra@wdc.com>,
	Akira Tsukamoto <akira.tsukamoto@gmail.com>,
	Drew Fustini <drew@beagleboard.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] riscv: optimized memcpy
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 21:06:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFnufp2OiF6-ta5og9u-foKDT2fqE171NvfowFkUr2jc4KJEDQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <db7a011867a742528beb6ec17b692842@AcuMS.aculab.com>

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 10:24 AM David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com> wrote:
>
> From: Matteo Croce
> > Sent: 16 June 2021 03:02
> ...
> > > > That's a good idea, but if you read the replies to Gary's original
> > > > patch
> > > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/20210216225555.4976-1-gary@garyguo.net/
> > > > .. both Gary, Palmer and David would rather like a C-based version.
> > > > This is one attempt at providing that.
> > >
> > > Yep, I prefer C as well :)
> > >
> > > But if you check commit 04091d6, the assembly version was introduced
> > > for KASAN. So if we are to change it back to C, please make sure KASAN
> > > is not broken.
> > >
> ...
> > Leaving out the first memcpy/set of every test which is always slower, (maybe
> > because of a cache miss?), the current implementation copies 260 Mb/s when
> > the low order bits match, and 114 otherwise.
> > Memset is stable at 278 Mb/s.
> >
> > Gary's implementation is much faster, copies still 260 Mb/s when euqlly placed,
> > and 230 Mb/s otherwise. Memset is the same as the current one.
>
> Any idea what the attainable performance is for the cpu you are using?
> Since both memset and memcpy are running at much the same speed
> I suspect it is all limited by the writes.
>
> 272MB/s is only 34M writes/sec.
> This seems horribly slow for a modern cpu.
> So is this actually really limited by the cache writes to physical memory?
>
> You might want to do some tests (userspace is fine) where you
> check much smaller lengths that definitely sit within the data cache.
>

I get similar results in userspace, this tool write to RAM with
variable data width:

root@beaglev:~/src# ./unalign_check 1 0 1
size:           1 Mb
write size:      8 bit
unalignment:    0 byte
elapsed time:   0.01 sec
throughput:     124.36 Mb/s

# ./unalign_check 1 0 8
size:           1 Mb
write size:      64 bit
unalignment:    0 byte
elapsed time:   0.00 sec
throughput:     252.12 Mb/s

> It is also worth checking how much overhead there is for
> short copies - they are almost certainly more common than
> you might expect.
> This is one problem with excessive loop unrolling - the 'special
> cases' for the ends of the buffer start having a big effect
> on small copies.
>

I too believe that they are much more common than long ones.
Indeed, I wish to reduce the MIN_THRESHOLD value from 64 to 32 or even 16.
Or having it dependend on the word size, e.g. sizeof(long) * 2.

Suggestions?

> For cpu that support misaligned memory accesses, one 'trick'
> for transfers longer than a 'word' is to do a (probably) misaligned
> transfer of the last word of the buffer first followed by the
> transfer of the rest of the buffer (overlapping a few bytes at the end).
> This saves on conditionals and temporary values.
>
>         David
>
> -
> Registered Address Lakeside, Bramley Road, Mount Farm, Milton Keynes, MK1 1PT, UK
> Registration No: 1397386 (Wales)
>

Regards,
-- 
per aspera ad upstream

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-06-16 19:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-15  2:38 [PATCH 0/3] riscv: optimized mem* functions Matteo Croce
2021-06-15  2:38 ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-15  2:38 ` [PATCH 1/3] riscv: optimized memcpy Matteo Croce
2021-06-15  2:38   ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-15  8:57   ` David Laight
2021-06-15  8:57     ` David Laight
2021-06-15 13:08     ` Bin Meng
2021-06-15 13:08       ` Bin Meng
2021-06-15 13:18       ` David Laight
2021-06-15 13:18         ` David Laight
2021-06-15 13:28         ` Bin Meng
2021-06-15 13:28           ` Bin Meng
2021-06-15 16:12           ` Emil Renner Berthing
2021-06-15 16:12             ` Emil Renner Berthing
2021-06-16  0:33             ` Bin Meng
2021-06-16  0:33               ` Bin Meng
2021-06-16  2:01               ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-16  2:01                 ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-16  8:24                 ` David Laight
2021-06-16  8:24                   ` David Laight
2021-06-16 10:48                   ` Akira Tsukamoto
2021-06-16 10:48                     ` Akira Tsukamoto
2021-06-16 19:06                   ` Matteo Croce [this message]
2021-06-16 19:06                     ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-15 13:44         ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-15 13:44           ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-16 11:46   ` Guo Ren
2021-06-16 11:46     ` Guo Ren
2021-06-16 18:52     ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-16 18:52       ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-17 21:30       ` David Laight
2021-06-17 21:30         ` David Laight
2021-06-17 21:48         ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-17 21:48           ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-18  0:32           ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-18  0:32             ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-18  1:05             ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-18  1:05               ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-18  8:32               ` David Laight
2021-06-18  8:32                 ` David Laight
2021-06-15  2:38 ` [PATCH 2/3] riscv: optimized memmove Matteo Croce
2021-06-15  2:38   ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-15  2:38 ` [PATCH 3/3] riscv: optimized memset Matteo Croce
2021-06-15  2:38   ` Matteo Croce
2021-06-15  2:43 ` [PATCH 0/3] riscv: optimized mem* functions Bin Meng
2021-06-15  2:43   ` Bin Meng
2024-01-28 11:10 [PATCH 0/3] riscv: optimize memcpy/memmove/memset Jisheng Zhang
2024-01-28 11:10 ` [PATCH 1/3] riscv: optimized memcpy Jisheng Zhang
2024-01-28 11:10   ` Jisheng Zhang
2024-01-28 12:35   ` David Laight
2024-01-28 12:35     ` David Laight
2024-01-30 12:11   ` Nick Kossifidis
2024-01-30 12:11     ` Nick Kossifidis
2024-01-30 22:44   ` kernel test robot
2024-01-31  0:19   ` kernel test robot
2024-01-31  0:19   ` kernel test robot

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