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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>
Cc: kernel test robot <lkp@intel.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
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	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
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Subject: Re: [uaccess] 780464aed0: WARNING:at_arch/x86/include/asm/uaccess.h:#strnlen_user/0x
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 10:59:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wiQM84VsAiw92UWyQZTQxr+F032Gm5BiFBXk7tC+LQohQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190304180610.2d4f6f08d9ad89d6abae3597@kernel.org>

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 1:06 AM Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 18:37:59 -0800
> Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > We've had this before. We've gotten rid of the actual "use system
> > calls", but we still have some of the init sequence in particular just
> > calling the wrappers instead.
>
> Are those safe if we are in init sequence?

Yes, they are, it runs with set_fs(KERNEL_DS).

But the patches made that now complain about copying from non-user
space, even though it's fine.

Basically, "strncpy_from_user()" shouldn't use "user_access_ok()",
since it actually can take a kernel address (with set_fs()).

Your "unsafe" version for tracing that actually sets "set_fs(USER_DS)"
is thje only thing that should use that helper.

> > And yes, ksys_mount() takes __user pointers.
> >
> > It would be a lot better to use "do_mount()", which is the interface
> > that takes actual "char *" pointers.
>
> Unfortunately, it still takes a __user pointer.

Ahh, yes, the name remains in user space.

Besides, I'm sure you'd just hit other cases instead where people use
set_fs() and copy strings.

> So what we need is
>
> long do_mount(const char *dev_name, struct path *dir_path,
>                 const char *type_page, unsigned long flags, void *data_page)
>
> or introduce kern_do_mount()?

It's actually fairly painful. Particularly because of that "void *data_page".

Your second email with "Would this work?" helper function _wopuldn't_
work correctly, exactly because you passed in a regular string to the
data page.

Also, I don't want to see code that replaces the unconditional "copy
path from user space" with a conditional "do we have path in kernel
space".

So together with the whole "uyou'll hit other peoblems anyway", I
don't think this is a good approach.

I think you simply need to have a separate "unsafe_strncpy()"
function, and not change the existing "strncpy_from_user()".

                Linus

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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: lkp@lists.01.org
Subject: Re: [uaccess] 780464aed0: WARNING:at_arch/x86/include/asm/uaccess.h:#strnlen_user/0x
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 10:59:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wiQM84VsAiw92UWyQZTQxr+F032Gm5BiFBXk7tC+LQohQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190304180610.2d4f6f08d9ad89d6abae3597@kernel.org>

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 1:06 AM Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 18:37:59 -0800
> Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > We've had this before. We've gotten rid of the actual "use system
> > calls", but we still have some of the init sequence in particular just
> > calling the wrappers instead.
>
> Are those safe if we are in init sequence?

Yes, they are, it runs with set_fs(KERNEL_DS).

But the patches made that now complain about copying from non-user
space, even though it's fine.

Basically, "strncpy_from_user()" shouldn't use "user_access_ok()",
since it actually can take a kernel address (with set_fs()).

Your "unsafe" version for tracing that actually sets "set_fs(USER_DS)"
is thje only thing that should use that helper.

> > And yes, ksys_mount() takes __user pointers.
> >
> > It would be a lot better to use "do_mount()", which is the interface
> > that takes actual "char *" pointers.
>
> Unfortunately, it still takes a __user pointer.

Ahh, yes, the name remains in user space.

Besides, I'm sure you'd just hit other cases instead where people use
set_fs() and copy strings.

> So what we need is
>
> long do_mount(const char *dev_name, struct path *dir_path,
>                 const char *type_page, unsigned long flags, void *data_page)
>
> or introduce kern_do_mount()?

It's actually fairly painful. Particularly because of that "void *data_page".

Your second email with "Would this work?" helper function _wopuldn't_
work correctly, exactly because you passed in a regular string to the
data page.

Also, I don't want to see code that replaces the unconditional "copy
path from user space" with a conditional "do we have path in kernel
space".

So together with the whole "uyou'll hit other peoblems anyway", I
don't think this is a good approach.

I think you simply need to have a separate "unsafe_strncpy()"
function, and not change the existing "strncpy_from_user()".

                Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-03-04 18:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-28 16:02 [PATCH v5 0/6] tracing/probes: uaccess: Add support user-space access Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-28 16:02 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] uaccess: Add user_access_ok() Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-28 16:03 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] uaccess: Use user_access_ok() in user_access_begin() Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-03 17:39   ` [uaccess] 780464aed0: WARNING:at_arch/x86/include/asm/uaccess.h:#strnlen_user/0x kernel test robot
2019-03-03 17:39     ` kernel test robot
2019-03-03 19:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-03 19:53       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-04  1:14       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-04  1:14         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-04  2:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-04  2:37           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-04  9:06           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-04  9:06             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-04 15:16             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-04 15:16               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-04 15:58               ` Jann Horn
2019-03-04 15:58                 ` Jann Horn
2019-03-04 18:59             ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2019-03-04 18:59               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-05  2:36               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-05  2:36                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-05  8:22                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-05  8:22                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-05  9:01                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-05  9:01                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-05  9:07                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-03-05  9:07                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-03-05 13:58                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-05 13:58                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-05 14:53                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-03-05 14:53                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-03-05 15:18                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-05 15:18                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-04  3:20       ` [LKP] " Rong Chen
2019-03-04  3:20         ` Rong Chen
2019-02-28 16:03 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] uaccess: Add non-pagefault user-space read functions Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-28 22:49   ` Yonghong Song
2019-03-01  2:29     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-01  6:30       ` Yonghong Song
2019-02-28 16:04 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] tracing/probe: Add ustring type for user-space string Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-28 16:04 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] tracing/probe: Support user-space dereference Masami Hiramatsu
2019-02-28 16:05 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] selftests/ftrace: Add user-memory access syntax testcase Masami Hiramatsu

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