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From: Raghavendra Rao Ananta <rananta@google.com>
To: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>
Cc: Reiji Watanabe <reijiw@google.com>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Peter Shier <pshier@google.com>,
	Ricardo Koller <ricarkol@google.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oupton@google.com>,
	Jing Zhang <jingzhangos@google.com>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 01/11] KVM: Capture VM start
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:52:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJHc60xD2U36pM4+Dq3yZw6Cokk-16X83JHMPXj4aFnxOJ3BUQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALMp9eTPJZDtMiHZ5XRiYw2NR9EBKSfcP5CYddzyd2cgWsJ9hw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 3:57 PM Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 3:07 PM Raghavendra Rao Ananta
> <rananta@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 4:05 PM Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM Raghavendra Rao Ananta
> > > <rananta@google.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Reiji,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:07 PM Reiji Watanabe <reijiw@google.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Raghu,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:49 AM Raghavendra Rao Ananta
> > > > > <rananta@google.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Capture the start of the KVM VM, which is basically the
> > > > > > start of any vCPU run. This state of the VM is helpful
> > > > > > in the upcoming patches to prevent user-space from
> > > > > > configuring certain VM features after the VM has started
> > > > > > running.
> > >
> > > What about live migration, where the VM has already technically been
> > > started before the first call to KVM_RUN?
> >
> > My understanding is that a new 'struct kvm' is created on the target
> > machine and this flag should be reset, which would allow the VMM to
> > restore the firmware registers. However, we would be running KVM_RUN
> > for the first time on the target machine, thus setting the flag.
> > So, you are right; It's more of a resume operation from the guest's
> > point of view. I guess the name of the variable is what's confusing
> > here.
>
> I was actually thinking that live migration gives userspace an easy
> way to circumvent your restriction. You said, "This state of the VM is
> helpful in the upcoming patches to prevent user-space from configuring
> certain VM features after the VM has started running." However, if you
> don't ensure that these VM features are configured the same way on the
> target machine as they were on the source machine, you have not
> actually accomplished your stated goal.
>
Isn't that up to the VMM to save/restore and validate the registers
across migrations?
Perhaps I have to re-word my intentions for the patch- userspace
should be able to configure the registers before issuing the first
KVM_RUN.

Thanks,
Raghavendra

> > Thanks,
> > Raghavendra

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From: Raghavendra Rao Ananta <rananta@google.com>
To: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>, Peter Shier <pshier@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 01/11] KVM: Capture VM start
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:52:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJHc60xD2U36pM4+Dq3yZw6Cokk-16X83JHMPXj4aFnxOJ3BUQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALMp9eTPJZDtMiHZ5XRiYw2NR9EBKSfcP5CYddzyd2cgWsJ9hw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 3:57 PM Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 3:07 PM Raghavendra Rao Ananta
> <rananta@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 4:05 PM Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM Raghavendra Rao Ananta
> > > <rananta@google.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Reiji,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:07 PM Reiji Watanabe <reijiw@google.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Raghu,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:49 AM Raghavendra Rao Ananta
> > > > > <rananta@google.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Capture the start of the KVM VM, which is basically the
> > > > > > start of any vCPU run. This state of the VM is helpful
> > > > > > in the upcoming patches to prevent user-space from
> > > > > > configuring certain VM features after the VM has started
> > > > > > running.
> > >
> > > What about live migration, where the VM has already technically been
> > > started before the first call to KVM_RUN?
> >
> > My understanding is that a new 'struct kvm' is created on the target
> > machine and this flag should be reset, which would allow the VMM to
> > restore the firmware registers. However, we would be running KVM_RUN
> > for the first time on the target machine, thus setting the flag.
> > So, you are right; It's more of a resume operation from the guest's
> > point of view. I guess the name of the variable is what's confusing
> > here.
>
> I was actually thinking that live migration gives userspace an easy
> way to circumvent your restriction. You said, "This state of the VM is
> helpful in the upcoming patches to prevent user-space from configuring
> certain VM features after the VM has started running." However, if you
> don't ensure that these VM features are configured the same way on the
> target machine as they were on the source machine, you have not
> actually accomplished your stated goal.
>
Isn't that up to the VMM to save/restore and validate the registers
across migrations?
Perhaps I have to re-word my intentions for the patch- userspace
should be able to configure the registers before issuing the first
KVM_RUN.

Thanks,
Raghavendra

> > Thanks,
> > Raghavendra
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From: Raghavendra Rao Ananta <rananta@google.com>
To: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>
Cc: Reiji Watanabe <reijiw@google.com>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>,
	 James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,  Peter Shier <pshier@google.com>,
	Ricardo Koller <ricarkol@google.com>,
	 Oliver Upton <oupton@google.com>,
	Jing Zhang <jingzhangos@google.com>,
	 Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 01/11] KVM: Capture VM start
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:52:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJHc60xD2U36pM4+Dq3yZw6Cokk-16X83JHMPXj4aFnxOJ3BUQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALMp9eTPJZDtMiHZ5XRiYw2NR9EBKSfcP5CYddzyd2cgWsJ9hw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 3:57 PM Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 3:07 PM Raghavendra Rao Ananta
> <rananta@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 4:05 PM Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM Raghavendra Rao Ananta
> > > <rananta@google.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Reiji,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:07 PM Reiji Watanabe <reijiw@google.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Raghu,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:49 AM Raghavendra Rao Ananta
> > > > > <rananta@google.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Capture the start of the KVM VM, which is basically the
> > > > > > start of any vCPU run. This state of the VM is helpful
> > > > > > in the upcoming patches to prevent user-space from
> > > > > > configuring certain VM features after the VM has started
> > > > > > running.
> > >
> > > What about live migration, where the VM has already technically been
> > > started before the first call to KVM_RUN?
> >
> > My understanding is that a new 'struct kvm' is created on the target
> > machine and this flag should be reset, which would allow the VMM to
> > restore the firmware registers. However, we would be running KVM_RUN
> > for the first time on the target machine, thus setting the flag.
> > So, you are right; It's more of a resume operation from the guest's
> > point of view. I guess the name of the variable is what's confusing
> > here.
>
> I was actually thinking that live migration gives userspace an easy
> way to circumvent your restriction. You said, "This state of the VM is
> helpful in the upcoming patches to prevent user-space from configuring
> certain VM features after the VM has started running." However, if you
> don't ensure that these VM features are configured the same way on the
> target machine as they were on the source machine, you have not
> actually accomplished your stated goal.
>
Isn't that up to the VMM to save/restore and validate the registers
across migrations?
Perhaps I have to re-word my intentions for the patch- userspace
should be able to configure the registers before issuing the first
KVM_RUN.

Thanks,
Raghavendra

> > Thanks,
> > Raghavendra

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-11 18:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 153+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-04 19:49 [RFC PATCH v3 00/11] KVM: arm64: Add support for hypercall services selection Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49 ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49 ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/11] KVM: Capture VM start Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-07  6:06   ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-07  6:06     ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-07  6:06     ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-07 23:43     ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-07 23:43       ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-07 23:43       ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-08  0:04       ` Jim Mattson
2022-01-08  0:04         ` Jim Mattson
2022-01-08  0:04         ` Jim Mattson
2022-01-10 23:07         ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-10 23:07           ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-10 23:07           ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-10 23:57           ` Jim Mattson
2022-01-10 23:57             ` Jim Mattson
2022-01-10 23:57             ` Jim Mattson
2022-01-11 18:52             ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta [this message]
2022-01-11 18:52               ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-11 18:52               ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-11 19:16               ` Jim Mattson
2022-01-11 19:16                 ` Jim Mattson
2022-01-11 19:16                 ` Jim Mattson
2022-01-12 18:29                 ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-12 18:29                   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-12 18:29                   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-13 17:21                   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-13 17:21                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-13 17:21                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-14  0:42                     ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-14  0:42                       ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-14  0:42                       ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-14  1:10                       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-14  1:10                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-14  1:10                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-14 21:51                     ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-14 21:51                       ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-14 21:51                       ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-18 22:54                       ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-18 22:54                         ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-18 22:54                         ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-19  0:07                       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-19  0:07                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-19  0:07                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-19  7:47                         ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-19  7:47                           ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-19  7:47                           ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-20  0:27                           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-20  0:27                             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-20  0:27                             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-20 19:16                             ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-20 19:16                               ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-20 19:16                               ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-25 15:15                         ` Marc Zyngier
2022-01-25 15:15                           ` Marc Zyngier
2022-01-25 15:15                           ` Marc Zyngier
2022-01-25 15:10                     ` Marc Zyngier
2022-01-25 15:10                       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-01-25 15:10                       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-01-11  0:03       ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-11  0:03         ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-11  0:03         ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-11 18:54         ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-11 18:54           ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-11 18:54           ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-08  1:06   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-08  1:06     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-08  1:06     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-10 23:23     ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-10 23:23       ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-10 23:23       ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-11 17:36       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-11 17:36         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-11 17:36         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-11 18:46         ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-11 18:46           ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-11 18:46           ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-11 19:04           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-11 19:04             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-11 19:04             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-12 18:08             ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-12 18:08               ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-12 18:08               ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-12 18:24               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-12 18:24                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-12 18:24                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-12 18:31                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-12 18:31                   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-12 18:31                   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-04 19:49 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/11] KVM: arm64: Factor out firmware register handling from psci.c Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/11] KVM: Introduce KVM_CAP_ARM_HVC_FW_REG_BMAP Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-08  5:40   ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-08  5:40     ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-08  5:40     ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-10 23:40     ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-10 23:40       ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-10 23:40       ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-11  4:33       ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-11  4:33         ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-11  4:33         ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-04 19:49 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/11] KVM: arm64: Setup a framework for hypercall bitmap firmware registers Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-10  6:28   ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-10  6:28     ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-10  6:28     ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-11  0:50     ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-11  0:50       ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-11  0:50       ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-12  5:11       ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-12  5:11         ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-12  5:11         ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-12 18:02         ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-12 18:02           ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-12 18:02           ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-14  6:23           ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-14  6:23             ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-14  6:23             ` Reiji Watanabe
2022-01-19  6:42   ` Jason Wang
2022-01-19  6:42     ` Jason Wang
2022-01-19  6:42     ` Jason Wang
2022-01-19 10:21     ` Marc Zyngier
2022-01-19 10:21       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-01-19 10:21       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-01-04 19:49 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/11] KVM: arm64: Add standard hypervisor firmware register Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/11] KVM: arm64: Add vendor " Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/11] Docs: KVM: Add doc for the bitmap firmware registers Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/11] Docs: KVM: Rename psci.rst to hypercalls.rst Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/11] tools: Import ARM SMCCC definitions Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/11] selftests: KVM: aarch64: Introduce hypercall ABI test Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49 ` [RFC PATCH v3 11/11] selftests: KVM: aarch64: Add the bitmap firmware registers to get-reg-list Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta
2022-01-04 19:49   ` Raghavendra Rao Ananta

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