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From: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>
To: Andrew Vagin <avagin@parallels.com>
Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, criu@openvz.org,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>,
	Andrey Wagin <avagin@gmail.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [CRIU] [PATCH 3/3] signalfd: add ability to read siginfo-s without dequeuing signals (v2)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:46:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK1hOcMepaOD80GOvUv1xz3xibTG_iKMK-w7698K6KfRmcKGeA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130211105941.GA26717@paralelels.com>

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Andrew Vagin <avagin@parallels.com> wrote:
>> > I suppose I had wondered along similar lines, but in a slightly
>> > different direction: would the use of a /proc interface to get the
>> > queued signals make some sense?
>>
>> I think that /proc interface beats adding magic flags and magic semantic
>> to [p]read.
>>
>> It also has the benefit of being human-readable. You don't need
>> to write a special C program to "cat /proc/$$/foo".
>>
>> Andrey, I know that it is hard to let go of the code you invested time
>> and efforts in creating. But this isn't the last patch, is it?
>> You will need to retrieve yet more data for process checkpointing.
>> When you start working on the next patch for it, consider trying
>> /proc approach.
>
> I don't think that we need to convert siginfo into a human readable format
> in kernel.

My point is that bolting hacks onto various bits of kernel API
in order to support process checkpointing makes those APIs
(their in-kernel implementation) ridden with special cases
and harder to support in the future.

Process checkpointing needs to bite the bullet and
create its own API instead.

Whether it would be a /proc/PID/checkpoint or a
ptrace(PTRACE_GET_CHKPOINT_DATA) is another question.

-- 
vda

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
To: Andrew Vagin <avagin-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	David Howells <dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	criu-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	Cyrill Gorcunov
	<gorcunov-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrey Wagin <avagin-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Alexander Viro
	<viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Dave Jones <davej-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney"
	<paulmck-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [CRIU] [PATCH 3/3] signalfd: add ability to read siginfo-s without dequeuing signals (v2)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:46:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK1hOcMepaOD80GOvUv1xz3xibTG_iKMK-w7698K6KfRmcKGeA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130211105941.GA26717-yYYamFZzV1regbzhZkK2zA@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Andrew Vagin <avagin-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> > I suppose I had wondered along similar lines, but in a slightly
>> > different direction: would the use of a /proc interface to get the
>> > queued signals make some sense?
>>
>> I think that /proc interface beats adding magic flags and magic semantic
>> to [p]read.
>>
>> It also has the benefit of being human-readable. You don't need
>> to write a special C program to "cat /proc/$$/foo".
>>
>> Andrey, I know that it is hard to let go of the code you invested time
>> and efforts in creating. But this isn't the last patch, is it?
>> You will need to retrieve yet more data for process checkpointing.
>> When you start working on the next patch for it, consider trying
>> /proc approach.
>
> I don't think that we need to convert siginfo into a human readable format
> in kernel.

My point is that bolting hacks onto various bits of kernel API
in order to support process checkpointing makes those APIs
(their in-kernel implementation) ridden with special cases
and harder to support in the future.

Process checkpointing needs to bite the bullet and
create its own API instead.

Whether it would be a /proc/PID/checkpoint or a
ptrace(PTRACE_GET_CHKPOINT_DATA) is another question.

-- 
vda

  reply	other threads:[~2013-02-11 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-22 10:15 [PATCH 0/3] signalfd: a kernel interface for dumping pending signals Andrey Vagin
2013-01-22 10:15 ` Andrey Vagin
2013-01-22 10:15 ` [PATCH 1/3] signal: add a helper for dequeuing signals from a specified queue Andrey Vagin
2013-01-22 10:15   ` Andrey Vagin
2013-02-05 12:00   ` [PATCH 1/3] signal: add a helper for dequeuing signals from a specified queue (v2) Andrey Vagin
2013-02-05 12:00     ` Andrey Vagin
2013-01-22 10:15 ` [PATCH 2/3] signalfd: add ability to choose a private or shared queue Andrey Vagin
2013-01-22 10:15   ` Andrey Vagin
2013-02-07 18:17   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-08  0:35     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-08  0:35       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-08 19:12       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-01-22 10:15 ` [PATCH 3/3] signalfd: add ability to read siginfo-s without dequeuing signals Andrey Vagin
2013-01-29 19:03   ` [PATCH 3/3] signalfd: add ability to read siginfo-s without dequeuing signals (v2) Andrey Vagin
     [not found]     ` <CAKgNAkgQA=zK=2ZnytPFU=DH6jr0sja0iy6K+j6c7unheLFniQ@mail.gmail.com>
2013-02-02  7:15       ` Andrey Wagin
2013-02-02  7:15         ` Andrey Wagin
2013-02-07 17:34     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-07 17:34       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-07 21:13       ` Andrey Wagin
2013-02-07 21:13         ` Andrey Wagin
2013-02-08  0:51         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-08 19:10         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-08 20:15           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-08 20:15             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-09 18:22             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-09 22:53               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-09 22:53                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-10 10:04                 ` [CRIU] " Andrew Vagin
2013-02-10 10:04                   ` Andrew Vagin
2013-02-11 16:47                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-11 16:47                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-10 10:07               ` Andrew Vagin
2013-02-10 10:07                 ` Andrew Vagin
2013-02-11  9:29             ` Denys Vlasenko
2013-02-11 10:59               ` [CRIU] " Andrew Vagin
2013-02-11 10:59                 ` Andrew Vagin
2013-02-11 14:46                 ` Denys Vlasenko [this message]
2013-02-11 14:46                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2013-02-11 14:53                   ` Pavel Emelyanov
2013-02-11 14:53                     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2013-02-11 17:25                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2013-02-11 17:25                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2013-02-12 14:50                       ` Pavel Emelyanov
2013-02-12 14:50                         ` Pavel Emelyanov
2013-01-23  4:19 ` [PATCH 0/3] signalfd: a kernel interface for dumping pending signals Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-01-23 11:03   ` Andrew Vagin
2013-01-23 11:03     ` Andrew Vagin
2013-01-23 11:03     ` Andrew Vagin
2013-01-23 12:11     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-01-23 12:11       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-01-23 13:03       ` Andrew Vagin
2013-01-23 13:03         ` Andrew Vagin
2013-01-23 13:03         ` Andrew Vagin
2013-02-07 18:20   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-07 18:20     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-08  0:36     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-08  0:36       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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