Building own DVB-T channel file from frequencies (w_scan issues)?

Building own DVB-T channel file from frequencies (w_scan issues)?

[Michal Zatloukal]

Hi all.
I dusted off my old AF9015 no-name DVB-T stick (15a4:9016) to check
which stations I can receive (dissatisfied with IPTV). Seeing that the
package's channel list (provided by Ubuntu 19.10, version
0+git20171226.07b18ec-1) is outdated and/or incomplete, I wanted to
either run full channel scan, or just probe the frequencies of the
MUXes published by the local (and not-so-local[0]) operators. The
LinuxTV wiki only lists w_scan as a utility capable of scanning
without existing channel file (edit: shortly after typing up this
message, I came across dvbtune, where the wiki page suggests the tool
is outdated - is that tool supported or not?)

The problem I'm having is very similar to this debian bugreport [1].
As I understand it, w_scan is using NIT data in preference to the
actual frequency it used to receive said data. As a result, 1
frequency where another MUX [2] should be broadcast, is skipped in the
1st pass, and the original frequency is lost in the 2nd pass (522 ->
754 MHz), and another MUX (658 -> 834 MHz) is redirected to a
long-outdated frequency at the end of the spectrum, where the 2nd pass
finds nothing. [3] Score: 1/3 (expected) MUXes found.

Is there something that works like manual tuning in VLC, or NextPVR,
ie. enter frequency, bandwidth, and see if you get a signal + program
listing? (edit: dvbtune can do this apparently, though the format is
different from the normal channel list). Or perhaps an option to
w_scan to ignore NIT frequency if delta from scanning frequency is >
BW?

Thanks,
MZ

[0] <rant> On that note, I find the whole idea of
transponder-site-based channel lists weird. By one operator's own
maps, the range of a common 100kW tower is >100km, so I'm probably
within range of transponders from 3 other countries. Am I expected to
cat all applicable channel files from the package, or what?</rant>
[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?att=0;bug=788100
[2] I'm referring to what wiki calls "bouquet".
[3] Output below:
w_scan -ft -c sk
w_scan version 20170107 (compiled for DVB API 5.10)
using settings for SLOVAKIA
DVB aerial
DVB-T Europe
scan type TERRESTRIAL, channellist 4
output format vdr-2.0
WARNING: could not guess your codepage. Falling back to 'UTF-8'
output charset 'UTF-8', use -C <charset> to override
Info: using DVB adapter auto detection.
/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 -> TERRESTRIAL "Afatech AF9013": good :-)
Using TERRESTRIAL frontend (adapter /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)
-_-_-_-_ Getting frontend capabilities-_-_-_-_
Using DVB API 5.11
frontend 'Afatech AF9013' supports
INVERSION_AUTO
QAM_AUTO
TRANSMISSION_MODE_AUTO
GUARD_INTERVAL_AUTO
HIERARCHY_AUTO
FEC_AUTO
BANDWIDTH_AUTO not supported, trying 6/7/8 MHz.
FREQ (174.00MHz ... 862.00MHz)
-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
Scanning DVB-T...
Scanning 8MHz frequencies...
474000: (time: 00:00.163)
482000: (time: 00:02.183)
490000: (time: 00:04.199)
498000: (time: 00:06.215)
506000: (time: 00:08.231)
514000: (time: 00:10.247)
522000: (time: 00:12.263)         signal ok: QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz
I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0)
        QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0) :
updating transport_stream_id: -> (0:0:259)
        QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:259) :
updating network_id -> (0:12290:259)
        updating transponder:
           (QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999
(0:12290:259)) 0x0000
        to (QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:259)) 0x405A
530000: (time: 00:22.119)
538000: (time: 00:24.135)
546000: (time: 00:28.691)
554000: (time: 00:30.727)
562000: (time: 00:32.743)
570000: (time: 00:34.759)
578000: (time: 00:36.775)
586000: (time: 00:38.791)
594000: (time: 00:40.807)
602000: (time: 00:42.823)
610000: (time: 00:44.839)
618000: (time: 00:46.855)
626000: (time: 00:48.871)
634000: (time: 00:53.379)
642000: (time: 00:55.399)
650000: (time: 00:57.415)
658000: (time: 00:59.431)         signal ok: QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz
I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0)
        QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0) :
updating transport_stream_id: -> (0:0:257)
        QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:257) :
updating network_id -> (0:12544:257)
        updating transponder:
           (QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999
(0:12544:257)) 0x0000
        to (QAM_64   f = 834000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12544:257)) 0x405A
666000: (time: 01:00.127)
674000: (time: 01:02.151)
682000: (time: 01:04.167)
690000: (time: 01:06.183)
698000: (time: 01:08.199)
706000: (time: 01:10.215)
714000: (time: 01:12.231)
722000: (time: 01:14.247)
730000: (time: 01:16.263)
738000: (time: 01:18.279)
746000: (time: 01:20.295)
754000: skipped (already known transponder)
762000: (time: 01:22.311)
770000: (time: 01:24.327)
778000: (time: 01:26.343)
786000: (time: 01:28.359)
794000: (time: 01:30.375)
802000: (time: 01:32.391)
810000: (time: 01:34.407)
818000: (time: 01:36.423)
826000: (time: 01:38.439)
834000: skipped (already known transponder)
842000: (time: 01:40.455)
850000: (time: 01:42.471)
858000: (time: 01:44.487)
tune to: QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:259)
(time: 01:46.503)
        QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:259) :
updating transport_stream_id: -> (8895:12290:258)
service = TV JOJ (Towercom)
service = JOJ Plus (Towercom)
service = Prima Plus Promo (Towercom)
service = WAU (Towercom)
service = TA3 (Towercom)
service = otta - interaktivna sluzba (Towercom)
        QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:258) :
updating network_id -> (8895:12289:258)
tune to: QAM_64   f = 834000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12544:257)
(time: 02:00.703)
----------no signal----------
tune to: QAM_AUTO f = 834000 kHz I999B8C999D0T999G999Y0
(8895:12544:257) (time: 02:06.747)  (no signal)
----------no signal----------
(time: 02:12.791) dumping lists (5 services)
..
TV JOJ;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2102=2:2111=slo@3,2134=mul:2130:0:2001:8895:258:0
JOJ Plus;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2202=2:2211=slo@3,2234=mul:2230:0:2002:8895:258:0
Prima Plus Promo;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2302=27:2311=slo@17:0:0:2003:8895:258:0
WAU;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2402=2:2411=slo@3,2434=qaa:2431:0:2004:8895:258:0
TA3;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2502=2:2511=slo@3:0:0:2005:8895:258:0
Done, scan time: 02:12.791

Re: Building own DVB-T channel file from frequencies (w_scan issues)?

[Frantisek Rysanek]

Hi Michal,

first of all there's a fork called w_scan2:
https://github.com/stefantalpalaru/w_scan2
this has got me "unstuck" last summer when I was starting with T2 in 
Linux. It still isn't perfect, has skipped some transponders in my 
spectrum based on some false assumptions... (but I managed to add 
them by hand, into an initial channel file for DVR).

And even more recently, there's t2scan - whose author specifically 
mentions that the first thing he "sorted out" was: he got away with 
following the clues about "neighboring transponders in the DVB 
network". 
https://github.com/mighty-p/t2scan
I have yet to test t2scan, but the early reviews are positive.

Another remake of the w_scan appears to exist in the VDR universe, in 
the form of vdr-plugin-wirbelscan. This solves some format mismatch 
between VDR and the stand-alone w_scan that previously used to cause 
EPG malfunctions and whatnot... I've seen this one in action, half a 
year ago. Worked like a charm.

Yes I heartily agree - following those metadata/clues as a primary or 
even valid source of info has IMO been wrong all along. Unless you're 
a vehicle-mounted receiver, typically you won't ever see any other 
transponders in the "network", because all you ever see is a single 
transponder of any mux. At this moment (transition from T to T2), 
there are about 9 different muxes in the air where I live. And, SFN's 
are not a strict rule. Quite on the contrary, in our country, channel 
frequencies are often (re)used for different networks/multiplexes at 
different towers throughout the country... so, skipping a radio 
channel "because you know there's just another transmitter of the 
MUX=network you already know" is just plain wrong, it results in 
skipping some frequencies that you really need to have scanned... 
t2scan should finally take care of that for good.

And I also agree that relying on an external "transponder seed file" 
to even be able to scan the band feels counter-productive. 
Fortunately it seems that the situation is improving.

Looking back, in my notes, I have snippets of info of some route from 
w_scan to dvb_tools (dvbv5-scan) to VDR... I recall observing erratic 
behaviors along that route. In my VDR seed file, I got just a single 
transponder written by w_scan2... I ended up writing about five other 
transponders by hand, following the simple format. And then VDR's 
wirbelscan plugin would pick up from there.
And right now I'm wondering why a freshly compiled VDR with a freshly 
compiled wirbelscan plugin doesn't present me with a  choice to scan 
the band again :-) Maybe I should erase the old channels.conf to 
provoke the wirbelscan plugin into action, not sure...

Frank

P.S.: I'm sticking to English for obvious reasons - answering into a 
mailing list. Feel free to contact me directly in our mother tongue 
:-)


On 3 Jan 2020 at 19:30, Michal Zatloukal wrote:
> Hi all.
> I dusted off my old AF9015 no-name DVB-T stick (15a4:9016) to check
> which stations I can receive (dissatisfied with IPTV). Seeing that the
> package's channel list (provided by Ubuntu 19.10, version
> 0+git20171226.07b18ec-1) is outdated and/or incomplete, I wanted to
> either run full channel scan, or just probe the frequencies of the
> MUXes published by the local (and not-so-local[0]) operators. The
> LinuxTV wiki only lists w_scan as a utility capable of scanning
> without existing channel file (edit: shortly after typing up this
> message, I came across dvbtune, where the wiki page suggests the tool
> is outdated - is that tool supported or not?)
> 
> The problem I'm having is very similar to this debian bugreport [1].
> As I understand it, w_scan is using NIT data in preference to the
> actual frequency it used to receive said data. As a result, 1
> frequency where another MUX [2] should be broadcast, is skipped in the
> 1st pass, and the original frequency is lost in the 2nd pass (522 ->
> 754 MHz), and another MUX (658 -> 834 MHz) is redirected to a
> long-outdated frequency at the end of the spectrum, where the 2nd pass
> finds nothing. [3] Score: 1/3 (expected) MUXes found.
> 
> Is there something that works like manual tuning in VLC, or NextPVR,
> ie. enter frequency, bandwidth, and see if you get a signal + program
> listing? (edit: dvbtune can do this apparently, though the format is
> different from the normal channel list). Or perhaps an option to
> w_scan to ignore NIT frequency if delta from scanning frequency is >
> BW?
> 
> Thanks,
> MZ
> 
> [0] <rant> On that note, I find the whole idea of
> transponder-site-based channel lists weird. By one operator's own
> maps, the range of a common 100kW tower is >100km, so I'm probably
> within range of transponders from 3 other countries. Am I expected to
> cat all applicable channel files from the package, or what?</rant>
> [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?att=0;bug=788100
> [2] I'm referring to what wiki calls "bouquet".
> [3] Output below:
> w_scan -ft -c sk
> w_scan version 20170107 (compiled for DVB API 5.10)
> using settings for SLOVAKIA
> DVB aerial
> DVB-T Europe
> scan type TERRESTRIAL, channellist 4
> output format vdr-2.0
> WARNING: could not guess your codepage. Falling back to 'UTF-8'
> output charset 'UTF-8', use -C <charset> to override
> Info: using DVB adapter auto detection.
> /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 -> TERRESTRIAL "Afatech AF9013": good :-)
> Using TERRESTRIAL frontend (adapter /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)
> -_-_-_-_ Getting frontend capabilities-_-_-_-_
> Using DVB API 5.11
> frontend 'Afatech AF9013' supports
> INVERSION_AUTO
> QAM_AUTO
> TRANSMISSION_MODE_AUTO
> GUARD_INTERVAL_AUTO
> HIERARCHY_AUTO
> FEC_AUTO
> BANDWIDTH_AUTO not supported, trying 6/7/8 MHz.
> FREQ (174.00MHz ... 862.00MHz)
> -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
> Scanning DVB-T...
> Scanning 8MHz frequencies...
> 474000: (time: 00:00.163)
> 482000: (time: 00:02.183)
> 490000: (time: 00:04.199)
> 498000: (time: 00:06.215)
> 506000: (time: 00:08.231)
> 514000: (time: 00:10.247)
> 522000: (time: 00:12.263)         signal ok: QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz
> I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0)
>         QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0) :
> updating transport_stream_id: -> (0:0:259)
>         QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:259) :
> updating network_id -> (0:12290:259)
>         updating transponder:
>            (QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999
> (0:12290:259)) 0x0000
>         to (QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:259)) 0x405A
> 530000: (time: 00:22.119)
> 538000: (time: 00:24.135)
> 546000: (time: 00:28.691)
> 554000: (time: 00:30.727)
> 562000: (time: 00:32.743)
> 570000: (time: 00:34.759)
> 578000: (time: 00:36.775)
> 586000: (time: 00:38.791)
> 594000: (time: 00:40.807)
> 602000: (time: 00:42.823)
> 610000: (time: 00:44.839)
> 618000: (time: 00:46.855)
> 626000: (time: 00:48.871)
> 634000: (time: 00:53.379)
> 642000: (time: 00:55.399)
> 650000: (time: 00:57.415)
> 658000: (time: 00:59.431)         signal ok: QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz
> I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0)
>         QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0) :
> updating transport_stream_id: -> (0:0:257)
>         QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:257) :
> updating network_id -> (0:12544:257)
>         updating transponder:
>            (QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999
> (0:12544:257)) 0x0000
>         to (QAM_64   f = 834000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12544:257)) 0x405A
> 666000: (time: 01:00.127)
> 674000: (time: 01:02.151)
> 682000: (time: 01:04.167)
> 690000: (time: 01:06.183)
> 698000: (time: 01:08.199)
> 706000: (time: 01:10.215)
> 714000: (time: 01:12.231)
> 722000: (time: 01:14.247)
> 730000: (time: 01:16.263)
> 738000: (time: 01:18.279)
> 746000: (time: 01:20.295)
> 754000: skipped (already known transponder)
> 762000: (time: 01:22.311)
> 770000: (time: 01:24.327)
> 778000: (time: 01:26.343)
> 786000: (time: 01:28.359)
> 794000: (time: 01:30.375)
> 802000: (time: 01:32.391)
> 810000: (time: 01:34.407)
> 818000: (time: 01:36.423)
> 826000: (time: 01:38.439)
> 834000: skipped (already known transponder)
> 842000: (time: 01:40.455)
> 850000: (time: 01:42.471)
> 858000: (time: 01:44.487)
> tune to: QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:259)
> (time: 01:46.503)
>         QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:259) :
> updating transport_stream_id: -> (8895:12290:258)
> service = TV JOJ (Towercom)
> service = JOJ Plus (Towercom)
> service = Prima Plus Promo (Towercom)
> service = WAU (Towercom)
> service = TA3 (Towercom)
> service = otta - interaktivna sluzba (Towercom)
>         QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:258) :
> updating network_id -> (8895:12289:258)
> tune to: QAM_64   f = 834000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12544:257)
> (time: 02:00.703)
> ----------no signal----------
> tune to: QAM_AUTO f = 834000 kHz I999B8C999D0T999G999Y0
> (8895:12544:257) (time: 02:06.747)  (no signal)
> ----------no signal----------
> (time: 02:12.791) dumping lists (5 services)
> ..
> TV JOJ;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2102=2:2111=slo@3,2134=mul:2130:0:2001:8895:258:0
> JOJ Plus;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2202=2:2211=slo@3,2234=mul:2230:0:2002:8895:258:0
> Prima Plus Promo;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2302=27:2311=slo@17:0:0:2003:8895:258:0
> WAU;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2402=2:2411=slo@3,2434=qaa:2431:0:2004:8895:258:0
> TA3;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2502=2:2511=slo@3:0:0:2005:8895:258:0
> Done, scan time: 02:12.791

Re: Building own DVB-T channel file from frequencies (w_scan issues)?

[media]

On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 07:30:02PM +0100, Michal Zatloukal wrote:
>
> Is there something that works like manual tuning in VLC, or NextPVR,
> ie. enter frequency, bandwidth, and see if you get a signal + program
> listing? (edit: dvbtune can do this apparently, though the format is
> different from the normal channel list). Or perhaps an option to
> w_scan to ignore NIT frequency if delta from scanning frequency is >
> BW?

dvbv5-scan defaults to using the input frequency,
but you can make it use the NIT frequency if desired.
Debian packge is dvb-tools, but you may want to try and build the
git version (git://linuxtv.org/v4l-utils.git)
You will need the input multiplex lists from the dtv-scan-tables
package as well.

dvbv5-zap may do the manual tuning you desire.

Cheers

Re: Building own DVB-T channel file from frequencies (w_scan issues)?

[Frantisek Rysanek]

On 5 Jan 2020 at 11:24, Michal Zatloukal wrote:
> Thanks for the detailed response. I think I'll start with building
> w_scan2 when I have the time, since Ubuntu (and by extension, Debian,
> I assume) have none of the suggested tools (wirbelscan, w2_scan,
> t2scan)
> 
> Regarding "managing to add other transponders by hand"  - how does
> that work? Looking at the existing file, there are quite few fields
> which I don't know the values for. Do you mean using one of the
> zap/tune utilities?
> 
> MZ

Hello Michal,

at the moment i strongly suggest that you download t2scan:
  git clone https://github.com/mighty-p/t2scan.git

If you happen to have the Mygica T230C v2 AKA Evolveo Sigma T2,
you would need the aforementioned mod. 
If you have different hardware, you can use the vanilla t2scan. Note 
that if your receiver is DVB-T only, it will not find DVB-T2 
transmitters.


So until mighty-p updates his upstream, I need the following mod for 
my Mygica hardware: I need to comment out the two "offending" lines 
in scan.c = lines 2852 and 2851 this way:

if (ioctl(frontend_fd, FE_READ_STATUS, &fe_status) == -1) {
	//cleanup();
	//fatal("FE_READ_STATUS failed: %d %s\n",errno, strerror(errno));
}

You can actually remove the whole block, as the transaction that 
actually throws the (benign) error consists in the 
ioctl(FE_READ_STATUS).
I.e. remove the offender, rather than the messenger :-)
The actual substance of the problem in 
drivers/media/dvb-frontends/si2168.c is not entirely clear to me, 
seems to come up in the first call to si2168_cmd_execute() from 
si2168_read_status(), and the -EREMOTEIO is likely triggered by the 
si2168 front-end chip returning an error flag in response to that I2C 
request... possibly returns this error until a tuning has actually 
happend or some such.
The point is that the scanning activity works fine after that, 
including further calls to read_status() in the process :-O

So, with the mod, t2scan has returned a full channels.conf for VDR. 
I just copied that to /var/lib/vdr/ as that's final the format that I 
am after.


Historical notes:

Apparently, w_scan/w_scan2 can produce different output formats, 
including "dvb_tools v3" or what.
Apparently, VDR could take "dvb_tools v3" format as a "seed" (initial 
file) for vdr-plugin-wirbelscan, I don't remember exactly anymore.
In my notes, I read the following curse:

w_scan2 -ft -c CZ -x > channels_initial_v3.conf

Which surprisingly produces just a single valid line in the output 
file. Excluding some comments, the file looks like this:

T         0 AUTO NONE NONE     QPSK   2k 1/32 NONE
T         0 8MHz  1/2 NONE     QPSK   2k 1/32 NONE
T2 554000000 8MHz AUTO NONE     AUTO  32k  1/8 NONE

The first two lines look awry, the third line is actually allright.
It's funny, because the stderr output from w_scan2 suggest that it 
has scanned several transponders.
So, based on that format and based on data obtained in other ways, I 
was able to come up with the following manual creation:

T 546000000 8MHz  3/4 NONE    QAM64   8k 1/32 NONE
T 570000000 8MHz  3/4 NONE    QAM64   8k 1/32 NONE
T 714000000 8MHz  3/4 NONE    QAM64   8k 1/32 NONE
T 746000000 8MHz  3/4 NONE    QAM64   8k 1/32 NONE
T 770000000 8MHz  3/4 NONE    QAM64   8k 1/32 NONE
T2 530000000 8MHz AUTO NONE     AUTO  32k  1/8 NONE
T2 554000000 8MHz AUTO NONE     AUTO  32k  1/8 NONE

Again the data is specific to my location and a particular moment in 
history - but if you can watch the scanner in action, you can 
probably produce a valid config file by hand.

And, if memory serves, vdr-plugin-wirbelscan was able to take off 
from there.

Note that the "dvb_tools v3 initial file" describes multiplexes 
(transponders, radio channels) rather than individual program 
streams. Consequently, the file formats describing actual program 
streams are different, more complex. Such as the VDR's channels.conf.

Nowadays I'd just reach for t2scan.
Apparently, both w_scan2 and t2scan can produce other output file 
formats, such as VLC or XINE. I haven't tested those. 
See the man pages or --help if you need to give them a try.
Note that w_scan2 and t2scan use different cmdline arguments to do 
essentially the same thing.

Note that w_scan / w_scan2 / t2scan just spew their output to stdout, 
at the very end of their activity = not while scanning.
So, you need to redirect the output into a >file on your own, at the 
command line.
Note that if you let this stdout emerge on your terminal console, 
it will get intermingled with debug output, coming out on stderr.
Or, more precisely, again the stdout lines come out in one big batch 
at the very end. To me the >redirection is probably easier than using 
the mouse to copy and paste the data.

Further questions are welcome.

Frank

Re: Building own DVB-T channel file from frequencies (w_scan issues)?

[Michal Zatloukal]

Thanks for the detailed response. I think I'll start with building
w_scan2 when I have the time, since Ubuntu (and by extension, Debian,
I assume) have none of the suggested tools (wirbelscan, w2_scan,
t2scan)

Regarding "managing to add other transponders by hand"  - how does
that work? Looking at the existing file, there are quite few fields
which I don't know the values for. Do you mean using one of the
zap/tune utilities?

MZ


On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 16:08, Frantisek Rysanek
<Frantisek.Rysanek@post.cz> wrote:
>
> ...just for the sake of completeness, t2scan seems to face some
> misunderstanding with my Mygica T230C2, w_scan2 works fine...
>
> [LOG SAMPLE of t2scan]
> Info: using DVB adapter auto detection.
>         /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 -> TERRESTRIAL "Silicon Labs
> Si2168": very good :-))
>
> Using TERRESTRIAL frontend (adapter /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)
> -_-_-_-_ Getting frontend capabilities-_-_-_-_
> main:2852: FATAL: FE_READ_STATUS failed: 121 Remote I/O error
> [/SAMPLE]
>
> Apparently, compared to w_scan and w_scan2, t2scan is more pedantic
> about checking the state of the tuner before starting its scan.
> And, I understand that these tuners have a fair share of their own HW
> quirks.
>
> I've already reported this to the author of t2scan.
>
> Frank
>
> On 3 Jan 2020 at 22:33, linux-media@vger.kernel.org wrote:
>
> > Hi Michal,
> >
> > first of all there's a fork called w_scan2:
> > https://github.com/stefantalpalaru/w_scan2
> > this has got me "unstuck" last summer when I was starting with T2 in
> > Linux. It still isn't perfect, has skipped some transponders in my
> > spectrum based on some false assumptions... (but I managed to add
> > them by hand, into an initial channel file for DVR).
> >
> > And even more recently, there's t2scan - whose author specifically
> > mentions that the first thing he "sorted out" was: he got away with
> > following the clues about "neighboring transponders in the DVB
> > network".
> > https://github.com/mighty-p/t2scan
> > I have yet to test t2scan, but the early reviews are positive.
> >
> > Another remake of the w_scan appears to exist in the VDR universe, in
> > the form of vdr-plugin-wirbelscan. This solves some format mismatch
> > between VDR and the stand-alone w_scan that previously used to cause
> > EPG malfunctions and whatnot... I've seen this one in action, half a
> > year ago. Worked like a charm.
> >
> > Yes I heartily agree - following those metadata/clues as a primary or
> > even valid source of info has IMO been wrong all along. Unless you're
> > a vehicle-mounted receiver, typically you won't ever see any other
> > transponders in the "network", because all you ever see is a single
> > transponder of any mux. At this moment (transition from T to T2),
> > there are about 9 different muxes in the air where I live. And, SFN's
> > are not a strict rule. Quite on the contrary, in our country, channel
> > frequencies are often (re)used for different networks/multiplexes at
> > different towers throughout the country... so, skipping a radio
> > channel "because you know there's just another transmitter of the
> > MUX=network you already know" is just plain wrong, it results in
> > skipping some frequencies that you really need to have scanned...
> > t2scan should finally take care of that for good.
> >
> > And I also agree that relying on an external "transponder seed file"
> > to even be able to scan the band feels counter-productive.
> > Fortunately it seems that the situation is improving.
> >
> > Looking back, in my notes, I have snippets of info of some route from
> > w_scan to dvb_tools (dvbv5-scan) to VDR... I recall observing erratic
> > behaviors along that route. In my VDR seed file, I got just a single
> > transponder written by w_scan2... I ended up writing about five other
> > transponders by hand, following the simple format. And then VDR's
> > wirbelscan plugin would pick up from there.
> > And right now I'm wondering why a freshly compiled VDR with a freshly
> > compiled wirbelscan plugin doesn't present me with a  choice to scan
> > the band again :-) Maybe I should erase the old channels.conf to
> > provoke the wirbelscan plugin into action, not sure...
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > P.S.: I'm sticking to English for obvious reasons - answering into a
> > mailing list. Feel free to contact me directly in our mother tongue
> > :-)
> >
> >
> > On 3 Jan 2020 at 19:30, Michal Zatloukal wrote:
> > > Hi all.
> > > I dusted off my old AF9015 no-name DVB-T stick (15a4:9016) to check
> > > which stations I can receive (dissatisfied with IPTV). Seeing that the
> > > package's channel list (provided by Ubuntu 19.10, version
> > > 0+git20171226.07b18ec-1) is outdated and/or incomplete, I wanted to
> > > either run full channel scan, or just probe the frequencies of the
> > > MUXes published by the local (and not-so-local[0]) operators. The
> > > LinuxTV wiki only lists w_scan as a utility capable of scanning
> > > without existing channel file (edit: shortly after typing up this
> > > message, I came across dvbtune, where the wiki page suggests the tool
> > > is outdated - is that tool supported or not?)
> > >
> > > The problem I'm having is very similar to this debian bugreport [1].
> > > As I understand it, w_scan is using NIT data in preference to the
> > > actual frequency it used to receive said data. As a result, 1
> > > frequency where another MUX [2] should be broadcast, is skipped in the
> > > 1st pass, and the original frequency is lost in the 2nd pass (522 ->
> > > 754 MHz), and another MUX (658 -> 834 MHz) is redirected to a
> > > long-outdated frequency at the end of the spectrum, where the 2nd pass
> > > finds nothing. [3] Score: 1/3 (expected) MUXes found.
> > >
> > > Is there something that works like manual tuning in VLC, or NextPVR,
> > > ie. enter frequency, bandwidth, and see if you get a signal + program
> > > listing? (edit: dvbtune can do this apparently, though the format is
> > > different from the normal channel list). Or perhaps an option to
> > > w_scan to ignore NIT frequency if delta from scanning frequency is >
> > > BW?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > MZ
> > >
> > > [0] <rant> On that note, I find the whole idea of
> > > transponder-site-based channel lists weird. By one operator's own
> > > maps, the range of a common 100kW tower is >100km, so I'm probably
> > > within range of transponders from 3 other countries. Am I expected to
> > > cat all applicable channel files from the package, or what?</rant>
> > > [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?att=0;bug=788100
> > > [2] I'm referring to what wiki calls "bouquet".
> > > [3] Output below:
> > > w_scan -ft -c sk
> > > w_scan version 20170107 (compiled for DVB API 5.10)
> > > using settings for SLOVAKIA
> > > DVB aerial
> > > DVB-T Europe
> > > scan type TERRESTRIAL, channellist 4
> > > output format vdr-2.0
> > > WARNING: could not guess your codepage. Falling back to 'UTF-8'
> > > output charset 'UTF-8', use -C <charset> to override
> > > Info: using DVB adapter auto detection.
> > > /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 -> TERRESTRIAL "Afatech AF9013": good :-)
> > > Using TERRESTRIAL frontend (adapter /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)
> > > -_-_-_-_ Getting frontend capabilities-_-_-_-_
> > > Using DVB API 5.11
> > > frontend 'Afatech AF9013' supports
> > > INVERSION_AUTO
> > > QAM_AUTO
> > > TRANSMISSION_MODE_AUTO
> > > GUARD_INTERVAL_AUTO
> > > HIERARCHY_AUTO
> > > FEC_AUTO
> > > BANDWIDTH_AUTO not supported, trying 6/7/8 MHz.
> > > FREQ (174.00MHz ... 862.00MHz)
> > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
> > > Scanning DVB-T...
> > > Scanning 8MHz frequencies...
> > > 474000: (time: 00:00.163)
> > > 482000: (time: 00:02.183)
> > > 490000: (time: 00:04.199)
> > > 498000: (time: 00:06.215)
> > > 506000: (time: 00:08.231)
> > > 514000: (time: 00:10.247)
> > > 522000: (time: 00:12.263)         signal ok: QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz
> > > I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0)
> > >         QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0) :
> > > updating transport_stream_id: -> (0:0:259)
> > >         QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:259) :
> > > updating network_id -> (0:12290:259)
> > >         updating transponder:
> > >            (QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999
> > > (0:12290:259)) 0x0000
> > >         to (QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:259)) 0x405A
> > > 530000: (time: 00:22.119)
> > > 538000: (time: 00:24.135)
> > > 546000: (time: 00:28.691)
> > > 554000: (time: 00:30.727)
> > > 562000: (time: 00:32.743)
> > > 570000: (time: 00:34.759)
> > > 578000: (time: 00:36.775)
> > > 586000: (time: 00:38.791)
> > > 594000: (time: 00:40.807)
> > > 602000: (time: 00:42.823)
> > > 610000: (time: 00:44.839)
> > > 618000: (time: 00:46.855)
> > > 626000: (time: 00:48.871)
> > > 634000: (time: 00:53.379)
> > > 642000: (time: 00:55.399)
> > > 650000: (time: 00:57.415)
> > > 658000: (time: 00:59.431)         signal ok: QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz
> > > I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0)
> > >         QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0) :
> > > updating transport_stream_id: -> (0:0:257)
> > >         QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:257) :
> > > updating network_id -> (0:12544:257)
> > >         updating transponder:
> > >            (QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999
> > > (0:12544:257)) 0x0000
> > >         to (QAM_64   f = 834000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12544:257)) 0x405A
> > > 666000: (time: 01:00.127)
> > > 674000: (time: 01:02.151)
> > > 682000: (time: 01:04.167)
> > > 690000: (time: 01:06.183)
> > > 698000: (time: 01:08.199)
> > > 706000: (time: 01:10.215)
> > > 714000: (time: 01:12.231)
> > > 722000: (time: 01:14.247)
> > > 730000: (time: 01:16.263)
> > > 738000: (time: 01:18.279)
> > > 746000: (time: 01:20.295)
> > > 754000: skipped (already known transponder)
> > > 762000: (time: 01:22.311)
> > > 770000: (time: 01:24.327)
> > > 778000: (time: 01:26.343)
> > > 786000: (time: 01:28.359)
> > > 794000: (time: 01:30.375)
> > > 802000: (time: 01:32.391)
> > > 810000: (time: 01:34.407)
> > > 818000: (time: 01:36.423)
> > > 826000: (time: 01:38.439)
> > > 834000: skipped (already known transponder)
> > > 842000: (time: 01:40.455)
> > > 850000: (time: 01:42.471)
> > > 858000: (time: 01:44.487)
> > > tune to: QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:259)
> > > (time: 01:46.503)
> > >         QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:259) :
> > > updating transport_stream_id: -> (8895:12290:258)
> > > service = TV JOJ (Towercom)
> > > service = JOJ Plus (Towercom)
> > > service = Prima Plus Promo (Towercom)
> > > service = WAU (Towercom)
> > > service = TA3 (Towercom)
> > > service = otta - interaktivna sluzba (Towercom)
> > >         QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:258) :
> > > updating network_id -> (8895:12289:258)
> > > tune to: QAM_64   f = 834000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12544:257)
> > > (time: 02:00.703)
> > > ----------no signal----------
> > > tune to: QAM_AUTO f = 834000 kHz I999B8C999D0T999G999Y0
> > > (8895:12544:257) (time: 02:06.747)  (no signal)
> > > ----------no signal----------
> > > (time: 02:12.791) dumping lists (5 services)
> > > ..
> > > TV JOJ;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2102=2:2111=slo@3,2134=mul:2130:0:2001:8895:258:0
> > > JOJ Plus;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2202=2:2211=slo@3,2234=mul:2230:0:2002:8895:258:0
> > > Prima Plus Promo;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2302=27:2311=slo@17:0:0:2003:8895:258:0
> > > WAU;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2402=2:2411=slo@3,2434=qaa:2431:0:2004:8895:258:0
> > > TA3;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2502=2:2511=slo@3:0:0:2005:8895:258:0
> > > Done, scan time: 02:12.791
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Building own DVB-T channel file from frequencies (w_scan issues)?

[Frantisek Rysanek]

On 4 Jan 2020 at 16:08, linux-media@vger.kernel.org wrote:
>
> ...just for the sake of completeness, t2scan seems to face some 
> misunderstanding with my Mygica T230C2, w_scan2 works fine...
> 
> [LOG SAMPLE of t2scan]
> Info: using DVB adapter auto detection.
>         /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 -> TERRESTRIAL "Silicon Labs 
> Si2168": very good :-))
> 
> Using TERRESTRIAL frontend (adapter /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)
> -_-_-_-_ Getting frontend capabilities-_-_-_-_
> main:2852: FATAL: FE_READ_STATUS failed: 121 Remote I/O error
> [/SAMPLE]
> 
> Apparently, compared to w_scan and w_scan2, t2scan is more pedantic 
> about checking the state of the tuner before starting its scan.
> And, I understand that these tuners have a fair share of their own HW 
> quirks.
> 
> I've already reported this to the author of t2scan.
> 
> Frank
>

It took mighty-p, the author of t2scan, just a couple minutes to 
respond. Amazing.

Apparently the check (and hence the error) can be suppressed by 
commenting out two lines in the source code:

if (ioctl(frontend_fd, FE_READ_STATUS, &fe_status) == -1) {
	//cleanup();
	//fatal("FE_READ_STATUS failed: %d %s\n",errno, strerror(errno));
}

After that, t2scan works just fine.

The hardware is a T230C v2, kernel 5.4.6.
Just in case someone has comments :-)

Frank

Re: Building own DVB-T channel file from frequencies (w_scan issues)?

[Frantisek Rysanek]

...just for the sake of completeness, t2scan seems to face some 
misunderstanding with my Mygica T230C2, w_scan2 works fine...

[LOG SAMPLE of t2scan]
Info: using DVB adapter auto detection.
        /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 -> TERRESTRIAL "Silicon Labs 
Si2168": very good :-))

Using TERRESTRIAL frontend (adapter /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)
-_-_-_-_ Getting frontend capabilities-_-_-_-_
main:2852: FATAL: FE_READ_STATUS failed: 121 Remote I/O error
[/SAMPLE]

Apparently, compared to w_scan and w_scan2, t2scan is more pedantic 
about checking the state of the tuner before starting its scan.
And, I understand that these tuners have a fair share of their own HW 
quirks.

I've already reported this to the author of t2scan.

Frank

On 3 Jan 2020 at 22:33, linux-media@vger.kernel.org wrote:

> Hi Michal,
> 
> first of all there's a fork called w_scan2:
> https://github.com/stefantalpalaru/w_scan2
> this has got me "unstuck" last summer when I was starting with T2 in 
> Linux. It still isn't perfect, has skipped some transponders in my 
> spectrum based on some false assumptions... (but I managed to add 
> them by hand, into an initial channel file for DVR).
> 
> And even more recently, there's t2scan - whose author specifically 
> mentions that the first thing he "sorted out" was: he got away with 
> following the clues about "neighboring transponders in the DVB 
> network". 
> https://github.com/mighty-p/t2scan
> I have yet to test t2scan, but the early reviews are positive.
> 
> Another remake of the w_scan appears to exist in the VDR universe, in 
> the form of vdr-plugin-wirbelscan. This solves some format mismatch 
> between VDR and the stand-alone w_scan that previously used to cause 
> EPG malfunctions and whatnot... I've seen this one in action, half a 
> year ago. Worked like a charm.
> 
> Yes I heartily agree - following those metadata/clues as a primary or 
> even valid source of info has IMO been wrong all along. Unless you're 
> a vehicle-mounted receiver, typically you won't ever see any other 
> transponders in the "network", because all you ever see is a single 
> transponder of any mux. At this moment (transition from T to T2), 
> there are about 9 different muxes in the air where I live. And, SFN's 
> are not a strict rule. Quite on the contrary, in our country, channel 
> frequencies are often (re)used for different networks/multiplexes at 
> different towers throughout the country... so, skipping a radio 
> channel "because you know there's just another transmitter of the 
> MUX=network you already know" is just plain wrong, it results in 
> skipping some frequencies that you really need to have scanned... 
> t2scan should finally take care of that for good.
> 
> And I also agree that relying on an external "transponder seed file" 
> to even be able to scan the band feels counter-productive. 
> Fortunately it seems that the situation is improving.
> 
> Looking back, in my notes, I have snippets of info of some route from 
> w_scan to dvb_tools (dvbv5-scan) to VDR... I recall observing erratic 
> behaviors along that route. In my VDR seed file, I got just a single 
> transponder written by w_scan2... I ended up writing about five other 
> transponders by hand, following the simple format. And then VDR's 
> wirbelscan plugin would pick up from there.
> And right now I'm wondering why a freshly compiled VDR with a freshly 
> compiled wirbelscan plugin doesn't present me with a  choice to scan 
> the band again :-) Maybe I should erase the old channels.conf to 
> provoke the wirbelscan plugin into action, not sure...
> 
> Frank
> 
> P.S.: I'm sticking to English for obvious reasons - answering into a 
> mailing list. Feel free to contact me directly in our mother tongue 
> :-)
> 
> 
> On 3 Jan 2020 at 19:30, Michal Zatloukal wrote:
> > Hi all.
> > I dusted off my old AF9015 no-name DVB-T stick (15a4:9016) to check
> > which stations I can receive (dissatisfied with IPTV). Seeing that the
> > package's channel list (provided by Ubuntu 19.10, version
> > 0+git20171226.07b18ec-1) is outdated and/or incomplete, I wanted to
> > either run full channel scan, or just probe the frequencies of the
> > MUXes published by the local (and not-so-local[0]) operators. The
> > LinuxTV wiki only lists w_scan as a utility capable of scanning
> > without existing channel file (edit: shortly after typing up this
> > message, I came across dvbtune, where the wiki page suggests the tool
> > is outdated - is that tool supported or not?)
> > 
> > The problem I'm having is very similar to this debian bugreport [1].
> > As I understand it, w_scan is using NIT data in preference to the
> > actual frequency it used to receive said data. As a result, 1
> > frequency where another MUX [2] should be broadcast, is skipped in the
> > 1st pass, and the original frequency is lost in the 2nd pass (522 ->
> > 754 MHz), and another MUX (658 -> 834 MHz) is redirected to a
> > long-outdated frequency at the end of the spectrum, where the 2nd pass
> > finds nothing. [3] Score: 1/3 (expected) MUXes found.
> > 
> > Is there something that works like manual tuning in VLC, or NextPVR,
> > ie. enter frequency, bandwidth, and see if you get a signal + program
> > listing? (edit: dvbtune can do this apparently, though the format is
> > different from the normal channel list). Or perhaps an option to
> > w_scan to ignore NIT frequency if delta from scanning frequency is >
> > BW?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > MZ
> > 
> > [0] <rant> On that note, I find the whole idea of
> > transponder-site-based channel lists weird. By one operator's own
> > maps, the range of a common 100kW tower is >100km, so I'm probably
> > within range of transponders from 3 other countries. Am I expected to
> > cat all applicable channel files from the package, or what?</rant>
> > [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?att=0;bug=788100
> > [2] I'm referring to what wiki calls "bouquet".
> > [3] Output below:
> > w_scan -ft -c sk
> > w_scan version 20170107 (compiled for DVB API 5.10)
> > using settings for SLOVAKIA
> > DVB aerial
> > DVB-T Europe
> > scan type TERRESTRIAL, channellist 4
> > output format vdr-2.0
> > WARNING: could not guess your codepage. Falling back to 'UTF-8'
> > output charset 'UTF-8', use -C <charset> to override
> > Info: using DVB adapter auto detection.
> > /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 -> TERRESTRIAL "Afatech AF9013": good :-)
> > Using TERRESTRIAL frontend (adapter /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)
> > -_-_-_-_ Getting frontend capabilities-_-_-_-_
> > Using DVB API 5.11
> > frontend 'Afatech AF9013' supports
> > INVERSION_AUTO
> > QAM_AUTO
> > TRANSMISSION_MODE_AUTO
> > GUARD_INTERVAL_AUTO
> > HIERARCHY_AUTO
> > FEC_AUTO
> > BANDWIDTH_AUTO not supported, trying 6/7/8 MHz.
> > FREQ (174.00MHz ... 862.00MHz)
> > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
> > Scanning DVB-T...
> > Scanning 8MHz frequencies...
> > 474000: (time: 00:00.163)
> > 482000: (time: 00:02.183)
> > 490000: (time: 00:04.199)
> > 498000: (time: 00:06.215)
> > 506000: (time: 00:08.231)
> > 514000: (time: 00:10.247)
> > 522000: (time: 00:12.263)         signal ok: QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz
> > I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0)
> >         QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0) :
> > updating transport_stream_id: -> (0:0:259)
> >         QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:259) :
> > updating network_id -> (0:12290:259)
> >         updating transponder:
> >            (QAM_AUTO f = 522000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999
> > (0:12290:259)) 0x0000
> >         to (QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:259)) 0x405A
> > 530000: (time: 00:22.119)
> > 538000: (time: 00:24.135)
> > 546000: (time: 00:28.691)
> > 554000: (time: 00:30.727)
> > 562000: (time: 00:32.743)
> > 570000: (time: 00:34.759)
> > 578000: (time: 00:36.775)
> > 586000: (time: 00:38.791)
> > 594000: (time: 00:40.807)
> > 602000: (time: 00:42.823)
> > 610000: (time: 00:44.839)
> > 618000: (time: 00:46.855)
> > 626000: (time: 00:48.871)
> > 634000: (time: 00:53.379)
> > 642000: (time: 00:55.399)
> > 650000: (time: 00:57.415)
> > 658000: (time: 00:59.431)         signal ok: QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz
> > I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0)
> >         QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:0) :
> > updating transport_stream_id: -> (0:0:257)
> >         QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (0:0:257) :
> > updating network_id -> (0:12544:257)
> >         updating transponder:
> >            (QAM_AUTO f = 658000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999
> > (0:12544:257)) 0x0000
> >         to (QAM_64   f = 834000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12544:257)) 0x405A
> > 666000: (time: 01:00.127)
> > 674000: (time: 01:02.151)
> > 682000: (time: 01:04.167)
> > 690000: (time: 01:06.183)
> > 698000: (time: 01:08.199)
> > 706000: (time: 01:10.215)
> > 714000: (time: 01:12.231)
> > 722000: (time: 01:14.247)
> > 730000: (time: 01:16.263)
> > 738000: (time: 01:18.279)
> > 746000: (time: 01:20.295)
> > 754000: skipped (already known transponder)
> > 762000: (time: 01:22.311)
> > 770000: (time: 01:24.327)
> > 778000: (time: 01:26.343)
> > 786000: (time: 01:28.359)
> > 794000: (time: 01:30.375)
> > 802000: (time: 01:32.391)
> > 810000: (time: 01:34.407)
> > 818000: (time: 01:36.423)
> > 826000: (time: 01:38.439)
> > 834000: skipped (already known transponder)
> > 842000: (time: 01:40.455)
> > 850000: (time: 01:42.471)
> > 858000: (time: 01:44.487)
> > tune to: QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:259)
> > (time: 01:46.503)
> >         QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:259) :
> > updating transport_stream_id: -> (8895:12290:258)
> > service = TV JOJ (Towercom)
> > service = JOJ Plus (Towercom)
> > service = Prima Plus Promo (Towercom)
> > service = WAU (Towercom)
> > service = TA3 (Towercom)
> > service = otta - interaktivna sluzba (Towercom)
> >         QAM_64   f = 754000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12290:258) :
> > updating network_id -> (8895:12289:258)
> > tune to: QAM_64   f = 834000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0 (8895:12544:257)
> > (time: 02:00.703)
> > ----------no signal----------
> > tune to: QAM_AUTO f = 834000 kHz I999B8C999D0T999G999Y0
> > (8895:12544:257) (time: 02:06.747)  (no signal)
> > ----------no signal----------
> > (time: 02:12.791) dumping lists (5 services)
> > ..
> > TV JOJ;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2102=2:2111=slo@3,2134=mul:2130:0:2001:8895:258:0
> > JOJ Plus;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2202=2:2211=slo@3,2234=mul:2230:0:2002:8895:258:0
> > Prima Plus Promo;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2302=27:2311=slo@17:0:0:2003:8895:258:0
> > WAU;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2402=2:2411=slo@3,2434=qaa:2431:0:2004:8895:258:0
> > TA3;Towercom:754000:B8C23D0G4M64T8Y0:T:27500:2502=2:2511=slo@3:0:0:2005:8895:258:0
> > Done, scan time: 02:12.791
> 
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