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From: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: Horia Geanta <horia.geanta@nxp.com>,
	"linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: xts fuzz testing and lack of ciphertext stealing support
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 09:15:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKv+Gu9-EWNpJ9viSsjhYRdOZb=7a=Mpddmyt8SLEq9aFtawjg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190718065223.4xaefcwjoxvujntw@gondor.apana.org.au>

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 08:52, Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 08:08:27PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> >
> > Since the kernel does not support CTS for XTS any way, and since no
> > AF_ALG users can portably rely on this, I agree with Eric that the
> > only sensible way to address this is to disable this functionality in
> > the driver.
>
> But the whole point of XTS is that it supports sizes that are
> not multiples of the block size.  So implementing it without
> supporting ciphertext stealing is just wrong.
>
> So let's fix the generic implementation rather than breaking
> the caam driver.
>

Not just the generic implementation: there are numerous synchronous
and asynchronous implementations of xts(aes) in the kernel that would
have to be fixed, while there are no in-kernel users that actually
rely on CTS. Also, in the cbc case, we support CTS by wrapping it into
another template, i.e., cts(cbc(aes)).

So retroactively redefining what xts(...) means seems like a bad idea
to me. If we want to support XTS ciphertext stealing for the benefit
of userland, let's do so via the existing cts template, and add
support for wrapping XTS to it.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: "dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	"linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	Horia Geanta <horia.geanta@nxp.com>
Subject: Re: xts fuzz testing and lack of ciphertext stealing support
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 09:15:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKv+Gu9-EWNpJ9viSsjhYRdOZb=7a=Mpddmyt8SLEq9aFtawjg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190718065223.4xaefcwjoxvujntw@gondor.apana.org.au>

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 08:52, Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 08:08:27PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> >
> > Since the kernel does not support CTS for XTS any way, and since no
> > AF_ALG users can portably rely on this, I agree with Eric that the
> > only sensible way to address this is to disable this functionality in
> > the driver.
>
> But the whole point of XTS is that it supports sizes that are
> not multiples of the block size.  So implementing it without
> supporting ciphertext stealing is just wrong.
>
> So let's fix the generic implementation rather than breaking
> the caam driver.
>

Not just the generic implementation: there are numerous synchronous
and asynchronous implementations of xts(aes) in the kernel that would
have to be fixed, while there are no in-kernel users that actually
rely on CTS. Also, in the cbc case, we support CTS by wrapping it into
another template, i.e., cts(cbc(aes)).

So retroactively redefining what xts(...) means seems like a bad idea
to me. If we want to support XTS ciphertext stealing for the benefit
of userland, let's do so via the existing cts template, and add
support for wrapping XTS to it.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-07-18  7:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-16 17:46 xts fuzz testing and lack of ciphertext stealing support Horia Geanta
2019-07-16 22:16 ` Eric Biggers
2019-07-17 17:09   ` Horia Geanta
2019-07-17 17:09     ` Horia Geanta
2019-07-17 17:28     ` Eric Biggers
2019-07-17 17:28       ` Eric Biggers
2019-07-17 18:08       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18  6:52         ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  6:52           ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  7:15           ` Ard Biesheuvel [this message]
2019-07-18  7:15             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18  7:21             ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  7:21               ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  7:28               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18  7:28                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18  7:50                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  7:50                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18  7:40               ` Milan Broz
2019-07-18  7:40                 ` Milan Broz
2019-07-18 10:40                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 11:19                   ` Milan Broz
2019-07-18 11:19                     ` Milan Broz
2019-07-18 15:27                     ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 15:27                       ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-20  6:58                     ` [dm-devel] " Eric Biggers
2019-07-20  6:58                       ` Eric Biggers
2019-07-20  7:35                       ` [dm-devel] " Milan Broz
2019-07-20  7:35                         ` Milan Broz
2019-07-20 10:13                         ` Markus
2019-07-21  9:50                         ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-21  9:50                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-22  9:44                           ` [dm-devel] " Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-22 16:43                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-22 16:43                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-22 22:46                               ` [dm-devel] " Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-24 12:23                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-24 12:50                                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-24 16:10                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-25  6:22                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-25  6:22                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-25  7:49                                   ` [dm-devel] " Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-25  8:01                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-25  8:01                                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-26 10:31                                       ` [dm-devel] " Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-26 19:59                                         ` Horia Geanta
2019-07-26 19:59                                           ` Horia Geanta
2019-07-26 21:43                                           ` [dm-devel] " Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-27  5:39                                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-27  5:39                                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-27 12:56                                               ` [dm-devel] " Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-27 16:04                                               ` Milan Broz
2019-07-27 16:04                                                 ` Milan Broz
2019-08-04  8:36                                                 ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-04  8:36                                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                         ` <20f4832e-e3af-e3c2-d946-13bf8c367a60@nxp.com>
2019-08-07 15:51                                           ` [dm-devel] " Horia Geanta
2019-08-07 15:51                                             ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-07 20:57                                             ` [dm-devel] " Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-08 14:50                                               ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-08 14:50                                                 ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-09  8:35                                                 ` [dm-devel] " Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-08 13:43                                             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-08 18:01                                               ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-08 18:01                                                 ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-09  2:48                                                 ` [dm-devel] " Herbert Xu
2019-08-09  2:48                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-08-09  6:45                                                   ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-09  6:45                                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-09  7:44                                                     ` [dm-devel] " Horia Geanta
2019-08-09  7:44                                                       ` Horia Geanta
2019-08-09 17:49                                                       ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-09 17:49                                                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-09 20:57                                                         ` [dm-devel] " Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-10  4:39                                                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-10  4:39                                                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-11 11:12                                                             ` [dm-devel] " Milan Broz
2019-08-11 11:12                                                               ` Milan Broz
2019-08-11 20:34                                                               ` [dm-devel] " Eric Biggers
2019-08-11 20:34                                                                 ` Eric Biggers
2019-08-11 21:39                                                                 ` [dm-devel] " Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-11 21:29                                                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-12  4:51                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-08-12  4:51                                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-08-11 21:15                                                             ` [dm-devel] " Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-08-11 22:24                                                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-11 22:24                                                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-08-12  1:04                                                                 ` [dm-devel] " Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 15:29                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 15:29                     ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 15:43                     ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 15:51                       ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 15:51                         ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 16:19                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18 16:19                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-18 16:22                           ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 16:22                             ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 17:03                           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-19  5:34                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-19  5:34                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-19  7:29                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-19 17:14                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-19 17:14                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-07-19 20:07                                   ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-19  7:29                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 17:03                           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 16:35                         ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-19  1:47                           ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-19  1:47                             ` Herbert Xu
2019-07-18 16:35                         ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 15:43                     ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-07-18 10:40                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen

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