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From: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
To: Adrian Ratiu <adrian.ratiu@collabora.com>
Cc: Nathan Chancellor <natechancellor@gmail.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	clang-built-linux <clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Collabora Kernel ML <kernel@collabora.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm: lib: xor-neon: disable clang vectorization
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 16:18:47 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKwvOd=QrU6rCQ4_Ji=XsskPovOSXpk0NkjTqVjLijw1-CZ17Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sg9ghil5.fsf@collabora.com>

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:54 PM Adrian Ratiu <adrian.ratiu@collabora.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 11:51 AM Adrian Ratiu
> > <adrian.ratiu@collabora.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 06 Nov 2020, Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > +#pragma clang loop vectorize(enable)
> >> >         do {
> >> >                 p1[0] ^= p2[0] ^ p3[0] ^ p4[0] ^ p5[0]; p1[1]
> >> >                 ^= p2[1] ^ p3[1] ^ p4[1] ^ p5[1];
> >> > ``` seems to generate the vectorized code.
> >> >
> >> > Why don't we find a way to make those pragma's more toolchain
> >> > portable, rather than open coding them like I have above
> >> > rather than this series?
> >>
> >> Hi again Nick,
> >>
> >> How did you verify the above pragmas generate correct
> >> vectorized code?  Have you tested this specific use case?
> >
> > I read the disassembly before and after my suggested use of
> > pragmas; look for vld/vstr.  You can also add
> > -Rpass-missed=loop-vectorize to CFLAGS_xor-neon.o in
> > arch/arm/lib/Makefile and rebuild arch/arm/lib/xor-neon.o with
> > CONFIG_BTRFS enabled.
> >
> >>
> >> I'm asking because overrulling the cost model might not be
> >> enough, the only thing I can confirm is that the generated code
> >> is changed, but not that it is correct in any way. The object
> >> disasm also looks weird, but I don't have enough knowledge to
> >> start debugging what's happening within LLVM/Clang itself.
> >
> > It doesn't "look weird" to me. The loop is versioned based on a
> > comparison whether the parameters alias or not. There's a
> > non-vectorized version if the parameters are equal or close
> > enough to overlap.  There's another version of the loop that's
> > vectorized.  If you want just the vectorized version, then you
> > have to mark the parameters as __restrict qualified, then check
> > that all callers are ok with that.
> >
>
> Thank you for the explanation, that does make sense now. I'm just
> a compiler optimization noob, sorry. All your help is much
> appreciated.

Don't worry about it; you'll get the hang of it in no time, just stick with it.

>
> >>
> >> I also get some new warnings with your code [1], besides the
> >> previously 'vectorization was possible but not beneficial'
> >> which is still present. It is quite funny because these two
> >> warnings seem to contradict themselves. :)
> >
> > From which compiler?  ``` $ clang
> > -Wpass-failed=transform-warning -c -x c /dev/null warning:
> > unknown warning option '-Wpass-failed=transform-warning'; did
> > you mean '-Wprofile-instr-missing'? [-Wunknown-warning-option]
> > ```
>
> I'm using Clang 10.0.1-1 from the Arch Linux repo.
>
> In the LLVM sources that transform-warning appears to be
> documented under
> llvm-10.0.1.src/docs/Passes.rst:1227:-transform-warning
>
> Here's a build log: http://ix.io/2DIc
>
> I always get those warnings with the pragma change you suggested,
> even on clean builds on latest linux-next.
>
> I looked at the Arch PKGBUILD and they don't appear to do anything
> special other than patching to enable SSP and PIE by default (eg
> llvm bug 13410).

Ah, custom builds of LLVM.  Grepping for transform-warning in LLVM's
sources, I can indeed see such a pass. I'm curious whether Arch is
turning on that pass by default or if you manually enabled
-Wpass-failed=transform-warning in the Makefile?  Maybe I need to do
an assertions enabled build of LLVM or a debug build. Reading through
llvm/docs/Passes.rst and llvm/docs/TransformMetadata.rst, it sounds
like this should be triggered when a "forced optimization has failed."
So I wonder what's the missing variable between it working for me, vs
warning for you?

Godbolt seems to agree with me here: https://godbolt.org/z/Wf6YKv.
Maybe related to the "New Pass Manager" ... digging into that...

>
> >
> > The pragma is clang specific, hence my recommendation to wrap it
> > in an #ifdef __clang__.
> >
>
> Yes, I understand that. :)
>
> >>
> >> At this point I do not trust the compiler and am inclined to do
> >
> > Nonsense.
> >
> >> like was done for GCC when it was broken: disable the
> >> optimization and warn users to upgrade after the compiler is
> >> fixed and confirmed to work.
> >>
> >> If you agree I can send a v2 with this and also drop the GCC
> >> pragma as Arvind and Ard suggested.
> >
> > If you resend "this" as in 2/2, I will NACK it.  There's nothing
> > wrong with the cost model; it's saying there's little point in
> > generating the vectorized version because you're still going to
> > need a non-vectorized loop version anyways.  Claiming there is a
> > compiler bug here is dubious just because the cost models
> > between two compilers differ slightly.
>
> Ok, so that "remark" from the compiler is safe to ignore.

Are you always seeing it when building with the pragma's added, no
change to CFLAGS_xor-neon.o in arch/arm/lib/Makefile?

>
> >
> > Resend the patch removing the warning, remove the GCC pragma,
> > but if you want to change anything here for Clang, use `#pragma
> > clang loop vectorize(enable)` wrapped in an `#ifdef __clang__`.
> >
>
> Thanks for making the NACK clear, so the way forward is to either
> use the pragma if I can figure out the new 'loop not vectorized'
> warning (which might also be a red herring) or just leave Clang as
> is. :)

Yes, though additionally Arvind points out that this code is kind of
curious if there was overlap; maybe the parameters should just be
restrict-qualified.

>
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Adrian
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> ./include/asm-generic/xor.h:11:1: warning: loop not vectorized:
> >> the optimizer was unable to perform the requested transformation;
> >> the transformation might be disabled or specified as part of an
> >> unsupported transformation ordering
> >> [-Wpass-failed=transform-warning] xor_8regs_2(unsigned long bytes,
> >> unsigned long *p1, unsigned long *p2)

-- 
Thanks,
~Nick Desaulniers

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From: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
To: Adrian Ratiu <adrian.ratiu@collabora.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	clang-built-linux <clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com>,
	Nathan Chancellor <natechancellor@gmail.com>,
	Collabora Kernel ML <kernel@collabora.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm: lib: xor-neon: disable clang vectorization
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 16:18:47 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKwvOd=QrU6rCQ4_Ji=XsskPovOSXpk0NkjTqVjLijw1-CZ17Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sg9ghil5.fsf@collabora.com>

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:54 PM Adrian Ratiu <adrian.ratiu@collabora.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 11:51 AM Adrian Ratiu
> > <adrian.ratiu@collabora.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 06 Nov 2020, Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > +#pragma clang loop vectorize(enable)
> >> >         do {
> >> >                 p1[0] ^= p2[0] ^ p3[0] ^ p4[0] ^ p5[0]; p1[1]
> >> >                 ^= p2[1] ^ p3[1] ^ p4[1] ^ p5[1];
> >> > ``` seems to generate the vectorized code.
> >> >
> >> > Why don't we find a way to make those pragma's more toolchain
> >> > portable, rather than open coding them like I have above
> >> > rather than this series?
> >>
> >> Hi again Nick,
> >>
> >> How did you verify the above pragmas generate correct
> >> vectorized code?  Have you tested this specific use case?
> >
> > I read the disassembly before and after my suggested use of
> > pragmas; look for vld/vstr.  You can also add
> > -Rpass-missed=loop-vectorize to CFLAGS_xor-neon.o in
> > arch/arm/lib/Makefile and rebuild arch/arm/lib/xor-neon.o with
> > CONFIG_BTRFS enabled.
> >
> >>
> >> I'm asking because overrulling the cost model might not be
> >> enough, the only thing I can confirm is that the generated code
> >> is changed, but not that it is correct in any way. The object
> >> disasm also looks weird, but I don't have enough knowledge to
> >> start debugging what's happening within LLVM/Clang itself.
> >
> > It doesn't "look weird" to me. The loop is versioned based on a
> > comparison whether the parameters alias or not. There's a
> > non-vectorized version if the parameters are equal or close
> > enough to overlap.  There's another version of the loop that's
> > vectorized.  If you want just the vectorized version, then you
> > have to mark the parameters as __restrict qualified, then check
> > that all callers are ok with that.
> >
>
> Thank you for the explanation, that does make sense now. I'm just
> a compiler optimization noob, sorry. All your help is much
> appreciated.

Don't worry about it; you'll get the hang of it in no time, just stick with it.

>
> >>
> >> I also get some new warnings with your code [1], besides the
> >> previously 'vectorization was possible but not beneficial'
> >> which is still present. It is quite funny because these two
> >> warnings seem to contradict themselves. :)
> >
> > From which compiler?  ``` $ clang
> > -Wpass-failed=transform-warning -c -x c /dev/null warning:
> > unknown warning option '-Wpass-failed=transform-warning'; did
> > you mean '-Wprofile-instr-missing'? [-Wunknown-warning-option]
> > ```
>
> I'm using Clang 10.0.1-1 from the Arch Linux repo.
>
> In the LLVM sources that transform-warning appears to be
> documented under
> llvm-10.0.1.src/docs/Passes.rst:1227:-transform-warning
>
> Here's a build log: http://ix.io/2DIc
>
> I always get those warnings with the pragma change you suggested,
> even on clean builds on latest linux-next.
>
> I looked at the Arch PKGBUILD and they don't appear to do anything
> special other than patching to enable SSP and PIE by default (eg
> llvm bug 13410).

Ah, custom builds of LLVM.  Grepping for transform-warning in LLVM's
sources, I can indeed see such a pass. I'm curious whether Arch is
turning on that pass by default or if you manually enabled
-Wpass-failed=transform-warning in the Makefile?  Maybe I need to do
an assertions enabled build of LLVM or a debug build. Reading through
llvm/docs/Passes.rst and llvm/docs/TransformMetadata.rst, it sounds
like this should be triggered when a "forced optimization has failed."
So I wonder what's the missing variable between it working for me, vs
warning for you?

Godbolt seems to agree with me here: https://godbolt.org/z/Wf6YKv.
Maybe related to the "New Pass Manager" ... digging into that...

>
> >
> > The pragma is clang specific, hence my recommendation to wrap it
> > in an #ifdef __clang__.
> >
>
> Yes, I understand that. :)
>
> >>
> >> At this point I do not trust the compiler and am inclined to do
> >
> > Nonsense.
> >
> >> like was done for GCC when it was broken: disable the
> >> optimization and warn users to upgrade after the compiler is
> >> fixed and confirmed to work.
> >>
> >> If you agree I can send a v2 with this and also drop the GCC
> >> pragma as Arvind and Ard suggested.
> >
> > If you resend "this" as in 2/2, I will NACK it.  There's nothing
> > wrong with the cost model; it's saying there's little point in
> > generating the vectorized version because you're still going to
> > need a non-vectorized loop version anyways.  Claiming there is a
> > compiler bug here is dubious just because the cost models
> > between two compilers differ slightly.
>
> Ok, so that "remark" from the compiler is safe to ignore.

Are you always seeing it when building with the pragma's added, no
change to CFLAGS_xor-neon.o in arch/arm/lib/Makefile?

>
> >
> > Resend the patch removing the warning, remove the GCC pragma,
> > but if you want to change anything here for Clang, use `#pragma
> > clang loop vectorize(enable)` wrapped in an `#ifdef __clang__`.
> >
>
> Thanks for making the NACK clear, so the way forward is to either
> use the pragma if I can figure out the new 'loop not vectorized'
> warning (which might also be a red herring) or just leave Clang as
> is. :)

Yes, though additionally Arvind points out that this code is kind of
curious if there was overlap; maybe the parameters should just be
restrict-qualified.

>
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Adrian
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> ./include/asm-generic/xor.h:11:1: warning: loop not vectorized:
> >> the optimizer was unable to perform the requested transformation;
> >> the transformation might be disabled or specified as part of an
> >> unsupported transformation ordering
> >> [-Wpass-failed=transform-warning] xor_8regs_2(unsigned long bytes,
> >> unsigned long *p1, unsigned long *p2)

-- 
Thanks,
~Nick Desaulniers

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-11  0:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-06  5:14 [PATCH 0/2] arm: lib: xor-neon: Remove warn & disble neon vect Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06  5:14 ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06  5:14 ` [PATCH 1/2] arm: lib: xor-neon: remove unnecessary GCC < 4.6 warning Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06  5:14   ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06 14:46   ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-11-06 14:46     ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-11-06 18:03     ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-11-06 18:03       ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-11-06 21:46       ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-11-06 21:46         ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-11-06  5:14 ` [PATCH 2/2] arm: lib: xor-neon: disable clang vectorization Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06  5:14   ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06 10:14   ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-11-06 10:14     ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-11-06 11:50     ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06 11:50       ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06 18:01       ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-11-06 18:01         ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-11-06 19:52       ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-06 19:52         ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-07 18:07         ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-07 18:07           ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-09 19:53         ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-09 19:53           ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-10 21:41           ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 21:41             ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:15             ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-10 22:15               ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-10 22:36               ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:36                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:39                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:39                   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:39                   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:39                     ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:54                     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-10 22:54                       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-10 23:56             ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-10 23:56               ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-11  0:18               ` Nick Desaulniers [this message]
2020-11-11  0:18                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-11 14:15                 ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-11 14:15                   ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-12 21:50                   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-12 21:50                     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-12 21:55                     ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-12 21:55                       ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-07 10:22   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-07 10:22     ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-07 18:12     ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-07 18:12       ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-08 17:40   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-08 17:40     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-08 18:09     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-08 18:09       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-08 20:14       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-11-08 20:14         ` Ard Biesheuvel

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