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From: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 03/11] riscv: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:40:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAL_JsqJ86vZKZQO+9_Kva-EbZrRPMbcgDm+UvjJdnR=GL-qHSw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220413115411.21489-4-Jason@zx2c4.com>

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 6:56 AM Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:
>
> In the event that random_get_entropy() can't access a cycle counter or
> similar, falling back to returning 0 is really not the best we can do.
> Instead, at least calling random_get_entropy_fallback() would be
> preferable, because that always needs to return _something_, even
> falling back to jiffies eventually. It's not as though
> random_get_entropy_fallback() is super high precision or guaranteed to
> be entropic, but basically anything that's not zero all the time is
> better than returning zero all the time.
>
> Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
> Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
> Cc: Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>
> Cc: Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>
> Signed-off-by: Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com>
> ---
>  arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h | 2 +-
>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h b/arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h
> index 507cae273bc6..d6a7428f6248 100644
> --- a/arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h
> +++ b/arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h
> @@ -41,7 +41,7 @@ static inline u32 get_cycles_hi(void)
>  static inline unsigned long random_get_entropy(void)
>  {
>         if (unlikely(clint_time_val == NULL))

Moving this check to get_cycles() implementation would eliminate the
RiscV implementation of random_get_entropy() if you follow my other
suggestion.

I guess there's some advantage to skipping a NULL check every time for
get_cycles(), but really the register read time will be much slower
than an added check.

> -               return 0;
> +               return random_get_entropy_fallback();
>         return get_cycles();
>  }
>  #define random_get_entropy()   random_get_entropy()

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From: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "open list:HARDWARE RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR CORE"
	<linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	 Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	 Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	 Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	 Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>,
	 Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	 Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	 Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Anton Ivanov <anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com>,
	 Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,  Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	 "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Chris Zankel <chris@zankel.net>,
	Max Filippov <jcmvbkbc@gmail.com>,
	 John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	 Dinh Nguyen <dinguyen@kernel.org>,
	 linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org,
	 "open list:MIPS" <linux-mips@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	 sparclinux <sparclinux@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-um@lists.infradead.org,  X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 03/11] riscv: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:40:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAL_JsqJ86vZKZQO+9_Kva-EbZrRPMbcgDm+UvjJdnR=GL-qHSw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220413115411.21489-4-Jason@zx2c4.com>

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 6:56 AM Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:
>
> In the event that random_get_entropy() can't access a cycle counter or
> similar, falling back to returning 0 is really not the best we can do.
> Instead, at least calling random_get_entropy_fallback() would be
> preferable, because that always needs to return _something_, even
> falling back to jiffies eventually. It's not as though
> random_get_entropy_fallback() is super high precision or guaranteed to
> be entropic, but basically anything that's not zero all the time is
> better than returning zero all the time.
>
> Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
> Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
> Cc: Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>
> Cc: Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>
> Signed-off-by: Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com>
> ---
>  arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h | 2 +-
>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h b/arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h
> index 507cae273bc6..d6a7428f6248 100644
> --- a/arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h
> +++ b/arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h
> @@ -41,7 +41,7 @@ static inline u32 get_cycles_hi(void)
>  static inline unsigned long random_get_entropy(void)
>  {
>         if (unlikely(clint_time_val == NULL))

Moving this check to get_cycles() implementation would eliminate the
RiscV implementation of random_get_entropy() if you follow my other
suggestion.

I guess there's some advantage to skipping a NULL check every time for
get_cycles(), but really the register read time will be much slower
than an added check.

> -               return 0;
> +               return random_get_entropy_fallback();
>         return get_cycles();
>  }
>  #define random_get_entropy()   random_get_entropy()

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From: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "open list:HARDWARE RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR CORE"
	<linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	 Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	 Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	 Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	 Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>,
	 Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	 Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	 Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Anton Ivanov <anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com>,
	 Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,  Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	 "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Chris Zankel <chris@zankel.net>,
	Max Filippov <jcmvbkbc@gmail.com>,
	 John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	 Dinh Nguyen <dinguyen@kernel.org>,
	 linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org,
	 "open list:MIPS" <linux-mips@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	 sparclinux <sparclinux@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-um@lists.infradead.org,  X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 03/11] riscv: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:40:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAL_JsqJ86vZKZQO+9_Kva-EbZrRPMbcgDm+UvjJdnR=GL-qHSw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220413115411.21489-4-Jason@zx2c4.com>

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 6:56 AM Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:
>
> In the event that random_get_entropy() can't access a cycle counter or
> similar, falling back to returning 0 is really not the best we can do.
> Instead, at least calling random_get_entropy_fallback() would be
> preferable, because that always needs to return _something_, even
> falling back to jiffies eventually. It's not as though
> random_get_entropy_fallback() is super high precision or guaranteed to
> be entropic, but basically anything that's not zero all the time is
> better than returning zero all the time.
>
> Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
> Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
> Cc: Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>
> Cc: Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>
> Signed-off-by: Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com>
> ---
>  arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h | 2 +-
>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h b/arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h
> index 507cae273bc6..d6a7428f6248 100644
> --- a/arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h
> +++ b/arch/riscv/include/asm/timex.h
> @@ -41,7 +41,7 @@ static inline u32 get_cycles_hi(void)
>  static inline unsigned long random_get_entropy(void)
>  {
>         if (unlikely(clint_time_val == NULL))

Moving this check to get_cycles() implementation would eliminate the
RiscV implementation of random_get_entropy() if you follow my other
suggestion.

I guess there's some advantage to skipping a NULL check every time for
get_cycles(), but really the register read time will be much slower
than an added check.

> -               return 0;
> +               return random_get_entropy_fallback();
>         return get_cycles();
>  }
>  #define random_get_entropy()   random_get_entropy()

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-13 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-13 11:54 [PATCH v4 00/11] archs/random: fallback to best raw ktime when no cycle counter Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 01/11] timekeeping: add raw clock fallback for random_get_entropy() Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 14:32   ` Rob Herring
2022-04-13 14:32     ` Rob Herring
2022-04-13 14:32     ` Rob Herring
2022-04-13 22:38     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 22:38       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 22:38       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-14 20:41       ` Rob Herring
2022-04-14 20:41         ` Rob Herring
2022-04-14 20:41         ` Rob Herring
2022-04-14 21:49         ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-04-14 21:49           ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-04-14 21:49           ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-04-14 10:12   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-04-14 10:12     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-04-14 10:12     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-04-14 11:56     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-14 11:56       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-14 11:56       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 02/11] m68k: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 03/11] riscv: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 14:40   ` Rob Herring [this message]
2022-04-13 14:40     ` Rob Herring
2022-04-13 14:40     ` Rob Herring
2022-04-13 22:40     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 22:40       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 22:40       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 04/11] mips: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 12:25   ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-04-13 12:25     ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-04-13 12:25     ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-04-13 12:46     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-13 12:46       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-13 12:46       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-13 22:35       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 22:35         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 22:35         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-14  1:16         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-14  1:16           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-14  1:16           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-14  9:27           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-14  9:27             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-14  9:27             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-15 12:26             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-15 12:26               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-15 12:26               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-16 11:09               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-16 11:09                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-16 11:09                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-16 14:44                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-16 14:44                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-16 14:44                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-16 22:54                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-16 22:54                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-16 22:54                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-18  7:10               ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-04-18  7:10                 ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-04-18  7:10                 ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-04-18  7:10                 ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-04-23 23:33                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-23 23:33                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-23 23:33                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-24  8:15                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-24  8:15                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-24  8:15                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-24 10:51                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-24 10:51                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-24 10:51                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 05/11] arm: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 06/11] nios2: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-23 13:58   ` Dinh Nguyen
2022-05-23 13:58     ` Dinh Nguyen
2022-05-23 13:58     ` Dinh Nguyen
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 07/11] x86: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 08/11] um: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 09/11] sparc: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 10/11] xtensa: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 11/11] random: insist on random_get_entropy() existing in order to simplify Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54   ` Jason A. Donenfeld

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