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From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: Linux MIPS Mailing List <linux-mips@linux-mips.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/15] Zero ****s, hugload of hugs <3
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2018 09:20:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdUkpLWm5NZmYj=uMgVncw6ZOb7j9KxFoDGhrnr7vzpx_w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181130151459.3ca2f5c8@lwn.net>

Hi Jon,

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:15 PM Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:12:19 -0800
> Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> wrote:
>
> > As a maintainer myself (and based on somewhat disturbed feedback from
> > other maintainers) I can only make the conclusion that nobody knows what
> > the responsibility part here means.
> >
> > I would interpret, if I read it like at lawyer at least, that even for
> > existing code you would need to do the changes postmorterm.
> >
> > Is this wrong interpretation?  Should I conclude that I made a mistake
> > by reading the CoC and trying to understand what it *actually* says?
> > After this discussion, I can say that I understand it less than before.
>
> Have you read Documentation/process/code-of-conduct-interpretation.rst?
> As has been pointed out, it contains a clear answer to how things should
> be interpreted here.

Indeed:

| Contributions submitted for the kernel should use appropriate language.
| Content that already exists predating the Code of Conduct will not be
| addressed now as a violation.

However:

| Inappropriate language can be seen as a
| bug, though; such bugs will be fixed more quickly if any interested
| parties submit patches to that effect.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

-- 
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
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From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
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	amir73il@gmail.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
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	DRI Development <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/15] Zero ****s, hugload of hugs <3
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2018 09:20:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdUkpLWm5NZmYj=uMgVncw6ZOb7j9KxFoDGhrnr7vzpx_w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181130151459.3ca2f5c8@lwn.net>

Hi Jon,

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:15 PM Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:12:19 -0800
> Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> wrote:
>
> > As a maintainer myself (and based on somewhat disturbed feedback from
> > other maintainers) I can only make the conclusion that nobody knows what
> > the responsibility part here means.
> >
> > I would interpret, if I read it like at lawyer at least, that even for
> > existing code you would need to do the changes postmorterm.
> >
> > Is this wrong interpretation?  Should I conclude that I made a mistake
> > by reading the CoC and trying to understand what it *actually* says?
> > After this discussion, I can say that I understand it less than before.
>
> Have you read Documentation/process/code-of-conduct-interpretation.rst?
> As has been pointed out, it contains a clear answer to how things should
> be interpreted here.

Indeed:

| Contributions submitted for the kernel should use appropriate language.
| Content that already exists predating the Code of Conduct will not be
| addressed now as a violation.

However:

| Inappropriate language can be seen as a
| bug, though; such bugs will be fixed more quickly if any interested
| parties submit patches to that effect.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

-- 
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-12-01  8:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 195+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-30 19:27 [PATCH RFC 00/15] Zero ****s, hugload of hugs <3 Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 01/15] MIPS: replace **** with a hug Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:57   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:57     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:06     ` Nikolay Borisov
2018-11-30 21:50       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:11         ` Nikolay Borisov
2018-11-30 21:13   ` Al Viro
2018-11-30 21:28     ` Randy Dunlap
2018-12-01  1:52   ` Joshua Kinard
2018-12-01  4:58   ` Mike Galbraith
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 02/15] Documentation: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 03/15] drm/nouveau: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 20:13   ` Diego Viola
2018-11-30 21:26     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:03       ` Diego Viola
     [not found]         ` <CA+ToGPEaxYxuzB__SM77J_8596u8Q+wa4uqfDn+LbwmL_NsOhA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-04  7:57           ` Michel Hermier
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 04/15] m68k: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:44   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2018-11-30 20:59     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:59       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 05/15] parisc: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:48   ` Dennis Clarke
2018-11-30 23:03     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 23:05   ` Diego Viola
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 06/15] cpufreq: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-03  9:08   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 07/15] ide: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 08/15] media: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-01  8:01   ` Tomasz Figa
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 09/15] mtd: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:39   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-11-30 20:56     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 20:56       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-01 10:31   ` Richard Weinberger
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 10/15] net/sunhme: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 11/15] scsi: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 20:21   ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 21:30     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 12/15] inotify: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-01  6:40   ` Amir Goldstein
2018-12-05  9:49     ` Jan Kara
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 13/15] irq: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 14/15] lib: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 19:41   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-30 19:46     ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-11-30 19:49       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-11-30 20:59     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-02  3:24       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-12-02 21:34   ` Tobin C. Harding
2018-11-30 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 15/15] net: " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-03 10:15   ` Phil Sutter
2018-11-30 19:40 ` [PATCH RFC 00/15] Zero ****s, hugload of hugs <3 Kees Cook
2018-11-30 19:40   ` Kees Cook
2018-11-30 19:40   ` Kees Cook
2018-11-30 19:40   ` Kees Cook
2018-11-30 19:48   ` Fwd: " Kees Cook
2018-11-30 20:42     ` Aaro Koskinen
2018-11-30 19:56   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-11-30 19:56     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-11-30 19:56     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-11-30 20:12     ` Jens Axboe
2018-11-30 20:12       ` Jens Axboe
2018-11-30 20:12       ` Jens Axboe
2018-11-30 20:34       ` Michael Schmitz
2018-11-30 20:34         ` Michael Schmitz
2018-11-30 20:34         ` Michael Schmitz
2018-11-30 20:35       ` David Miller
2018-11-30 20:35         ` David Miller
2018-11-30 20:35         ` David Miller
     [not found]         ` <20181130.123507.1940310466680455876.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2018-11-30 20:39           ` Abuse
2018-11-30 20:39             ` Abuse
2018-11-30 20:42             ` David Miller
2018-11-30 20:42               ` David Miller
2018-11-30 20:42               ` David Miller
     [not found]               ` <20181130.124228.979846577878820546.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2018-11-30 20:45                 ` Abuse
2018-11-30 20:45                   ` Abuse
2018-11-30 20:53                   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-30 20:43             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-30 20:43               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-12-01  4:08             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-01  4:08               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:42         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:42           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:47           ` David Miller
2018-11-30 21:47             ` David Miller
2018-11-30 21:53             ` Jens Axboe
2018-11-30 21:53               ` Jens Axboe
2018-11-30 21:53               ` Jens Axboe
2018-11-30 20:34     ` David Miller
2018-11-30 20:34       ` David Miller
2018-11-30 20:34       ` David Miller
2018-11-30 20:55     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 20:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 20:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:01       ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 21:01         ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 21:01         ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 21:01         ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 21:44         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:44           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:44           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:44           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:48           ` David Miller
2018-11-30 21:48             ` David Miller
2018-11-30 21:54             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:54               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:04               ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 22:04                 ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 22:04                 ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 22:04                 ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 21:57           ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 21:57             ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 21:57             ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 21:57             ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 21:57             ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 22:12             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:12               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:12               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:12               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:14               ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-11-30 22:14                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-11-30 22:14                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-11-30 22:14                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-11-30 22:26                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:26                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:26                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:26                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:29                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:29                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:29                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:29                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:30                   ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 22:30                     ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 22:30                     ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 22:30                     ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 22:40                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:40                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:40                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 22:40                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 23:28                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 23:28                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 23:28                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 23:28                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-01  8:20                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven [this message]
2018-12-01  8:20                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-12-07 13:39                   ` Eric Curtin
2018-12-07 13:39                     ` Eric Curtin
2018-12-07 13:39                     ` Eric Curtin
2018-11-30 22:26               ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 22:26                 ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 22:26                 ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 22:26                 ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 22:26                 ` James Bottomley
2018-11-30 21:02       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-30 21:02         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-30 21:02         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-30 21:02         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-30 21:04       ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-11-30 21:04         ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-11-30 21:04         ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-11-30 19:57   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-11-30 21:09     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 20:09   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2018-11-30 20:09     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2018-11-30 20:09     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2018-11-30 20:09     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2018-11-30 21:32     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:32       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:32       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 20:31   ` Matthias Brugger
2018-11-30 20:31     ` Matthias Brugger
2018-11-30 20:31     ` Matthias Brugger
2018-11-30 20:31     ` Matthias Brugger
2018-11-30 21:34     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:34       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:34       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 20:42   ` Chris Mason
2018-11-30 20:42     ` Chris Mason
2018-11-30 20:42     ` Chris Mason
2018-11-30 21:36     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:36       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:36       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:07   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:07     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:07     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-30 21:07     ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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