From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> To: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com> Cc: Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>, Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>, Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>, David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, Lucas De Marchi <lucas.demarchi@intel.com>, kernel test robot <lkp@intel.com>, linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-kbuild <linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org> Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/13] drm/display: Convert helpers Kconfig symbols to depends on Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2024 12:35:02 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <CAMuHMdVMhXFm-kZ50Un1ZFmEcjJ7SnpyEyw65-wucBGpVRUFww@mail.gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <87sezu97id.fsf@intel.com> Hi Jani, On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 12:04 PM Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com> wrote: > On Tue, 09 Apr 2024, Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> wrote: > > The user should not need to know which helpers are needed for the driver > > he is interested in. When a symbol selects another symbol, it should > > just make sure the dependencies of the target symbol are met. > > It's really not "just make sure". This leads to perpetual illegal > configurations, and duct tape fixes. Select should not be used for > visible symbols or symbols with dependencies [1]. In other words: none of these helpers should be visible... > What we'd need for usability is not more abuse of select, but rather 1) > warnings for selecting symbols with dependencies, and 2) a way to enable Kconfig already warns if dependencies of selected symbols are not met. > a kconfig option with all its dependencies, recursively. This is what we > lack. You cannot force-enable all dependencies of the target symbol, as some of these dependencies may be impossible to meet on the system you are configuring a kernel for. The current proper way is to add these dependencies to the source symbol, which is what we have been doing everywhere else. Another solution may be to teach Kconfig to ignore any symbols that select a symbol with unmet dependencies. Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds
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From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> To: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com> Cc: Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>, Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>, Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>, David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, Lucas De Marchi <lucas.demarchi@intel.com>, kernel test robot <lkp@intel.com>, linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-kbuild <linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org> Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/13] drm/display: Convert helpers Kconfig symbols to depends on Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2024 12:35:02 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <CAMuHMdVMhXFm-kZ50Un1ZFmEcjJ7SnpyEyw65-wucBGpVRUFww@mail.gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <87sezu97id.fsf@intel.com> Hi Jani, On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 12:04 PM Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com> wrote: > On Tue, 09 Apr 2024, Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> wrote: > > The user should not need to know which helpers are needed for the driver > > he is interested in. When a symbol selects another symbol, it should > > just make sure the dependencies of the target symbol are met. > > It's really not "just make sure". This leads to perpetual illegal > configurations, and duct tape fixes. Select should not be used for > visible symbols or symbols with dependencies [1]. In other words: none of these helpers should be visible... > What we'd need for usability is not more abuse of select, but rather 1) > warnings for selecting symbols with dependencies, and 2) a way to enable Kconfig already warns if dependencies of selected symbols are not met. > a kconfig option with all its dependencies, recursively. This is what we > lack. You cannot force-enable all dependencies of the target symbol, as some of these dependencies may be impossible to meet on the system you are configuring a kernel for. The current proper way is to add these dependencies to the source symbol, which is what we have been doing everywhere else. Another solution may be to teach Kconfig to ignore any symbols that select a symbol with unmet dependencies. Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-04-09 10:35 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2024-03-27 10:56 [PATCH v3 00/13] drm/display: Convert helpers Kconfig symbols to depends on Maxime Ripard 2024-03-27 10:56 ` [PATCH v3 01/13] drm/display: Make DisplayPort AUX bus Kconfig name consistent Maxime Ripard 2024-03-27 10:56 ` [PATCH v3 02/13] drm/display: Make DisplayPort tunnel debug " Maxime Ripard 2024-03-27 10:56 ` [PATCH v3 03/13] drm/display: Make DisplayPort AUX Chardev " Maxime Ripard 2024-03-27 10:56 ` [PATCH v3 04/13] drm/display: Make DisplayPort CEC-over-AUX " Maxime Ripard 2024-03-27 10:57 ` [PATCH v3 05/13] drm/display: Reorder Kconfig symbols Maxime Ripard 2024-03-27 10:57 ` [PATCH v3 06/13] drm/display: Make all helpers visible and switch to depends on Maxime Ripard 2024-03-27 10:57 ` [PATCH v3 07/13] drm: Make drivers depends on DRM_DW_HDMI Maxime Ripard 2024-03-28 10:01 ` Jani Nikula 2024-04-02 15:43 ` Mark Brown 2024-04-03 6:50 ` Alexander Stein 2024-04-23 5:45 ` Mark Brown 2024-04-23 8:05 ` Jani Nikula 2024-03-27 10:57 ` [PATCH v3 08/13] drm: Switch DRM_DISPLAY_HELPER to depends on Maxime Ripard 2024-03-27 10:57 ` [PATCH v3 09/13] drm: Switch DRM_DISPLAY_DP_AUX_BUS " Maxime Ripard 2024-04-09 8:35 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2024-03-27 10:57 ` [PATCH v3 10/13] drm: Switch DRM_DISPLAY_DP_HELPER " Maxime Ripard 2024-03-27 10:57 ` [PATCH v3 11/13] drm: Switch DRM_DISPLAY_HDCP_HELPER " Maxime Ripard 2024-03-27 10:57 ` [PATCH v3 12/13] drm: Switch DRM_DISPLAY_HDMI_HELPER " Maxime Ripard 2024-03-27 10:57 ` [PATCH v3 13/13] drm/bridge: it6505: Remove useless select Maxime Ripard 2024-03-28 10:29 ` [PATCH v3 00/13] drm/display: Convert helpers Kconfig symbols to depends on Maxime Ripard 2024-04-09 9:26 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2024-04-09 9:26 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2024-04-09 10:04 ` Jani Nikula 2024-04-09 10:04 ` Jani Nikula 2024-04-09 10:35 ` Geert Uytterhoeven [this message] 2024-04-09 10:35 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2024-04-09 11:12 ` Jani Nikula 2024-04-09 11:12 ` Jani Nikula 2024-04-09 15:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2024-04-09 15:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2024-04-10 19:46 ` Diederik de Haas 2024-04-10 19:46 ` Diederik de Haas
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