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From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert+renesas@glider.be>,
	Marek Vasut <marek.vasut+renesas@gmail.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Liam Girdwood <lgirdwood@gmail.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@verge.net.au>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>,
	Linux-Renesas <linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC 4/5] regulator: bd9571mwv: Add support for backup mode
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:28:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdWnJwMk5DrnAQebKB23X2WJGPQ2m-0OX8-AC2QYguTQ5w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171018112419.3eqz34epcshxas3f@sirena.co.uk>

Hi Mark,

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 01:19:08PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 05:26:17PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>> >> Backup mode is not enabled automatically, as e.g. on Renesas
>> >> Salvator-X(S) boards enabling backup mode changes the role of the ACC
>> >> switch from a power switch to a wake-up switch.  Hence enabling it
>> >> prevents the board from being powered off using the ACC switch, which
>> >> may confuse the user.
>
>> > This sounds an awful lot like the standard power/wakeup, though the
>> > power change is a bit unexpected there.  I'm also wondering if it makes
>> > sense to just only enable the wakeup mode when suspending which
>> > preserves the power off functionality while also keeping the wakeup
>> > support.
>
>> The ACC switch is not a momentary switch (push button), but a toggle
>> switch with two positions.
>> Hence you cannot enable wakeup mode while suspending, as the proper
>> system suspend/resume procedure is:
>>   1. Enable backup mode in the PMIC,
>>   2. Switch ACC off (no-op as backup mode has been enabled),
>>   3. Suspend to RAM (PSCI suspend) => system suspends,
>>   4. Switch ACC on => system wakes up.
>> If you would combine steps 1 and 3, you can no longer do step 2 in between.
>
>> Yes, it's complicated :-(
>
> I'm confused, I thought this was a physical switch but that's talking
> about this as something software controlled (at least in step 2)?

The ACC switch is a physical switch.
Steps 1 and 3 are performed by software running on the board's SoC.
Steps 2 and 4 are performed by the external user (human or remote board
farm control hookup).

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

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From: geert@linux-m68k.org (Geert Uytterhoeven)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH/RFC 4/5] regulator: bd9571mwv: Add support for backup mode
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:28:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdWnJwMk5DrnAQebKB23X2WJGPQ2m-0OX8-AC2QYguTQ5w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171018112419.3eqz34epcshxas3f@sirena.co.uk>

Hi Mark,

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 01:19:08PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 05:26:17PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>> >> Backup mode is not enabled automatically, as e.g. on Renesas
>> >> Salvator-X(S) boards enabling backup mode changes the role of the ACC
>> >> switch from a power switch to a wake-up switch.  Hence enabling it
>> >> prevents the board from being powered off using the ACC switch, which
>> >> may confuse the user.
>
>> > This sounds an awful lot like the standard power/wakeup, though the
>> > power change is a bit unexpected there.  I'm also wondering if it makes
>> > sense to just only enable the wakeup mode when suspending which
>> > preserves the power off functionality while also keeping the wakeup
>> > support.
>
>> The ACC switch is not a momentary switch (push button), but a toggle
>> switch with two positions.
>> Hence you cannot enable wakeup mode while suspending, as the proper
>> system suspend/resume procedure is:
>>   1. Enable backup mode in the PMIC,
>>   2. Switch ACC off (no-op as backup mode has been enabled),
>>   3. Suspend to RAM (PSCI suspend) => system suspends,
>>   4. Switch ACC on => system wakes up.
>> If you would combine steps 1 and 3, you can no longer do step 2 in between.
>
>> Yes, it's complicated :-(
>
> I'm confused, I thought this was a physical switch but that's talking
> about this as something software controlled (at least in step 2)?

The ACC switch is a physical switch.
Steps 1 and 3 are performed by software running on the board's SoC.
Steps 2 and 4 are performed by the external user (human or remote board
farm control hookup).

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert at linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-18 11:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-10 15:26 [PATCH/RFC 0/5] arm64: dts: renesas: Salvator-X/XS: Enable DDR Backup Mode Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-10 15:26 ` [PATCH/RFC 1/5] dt-bindings: mfd: bd9571mwv: Document rohm,ddr-backup-power Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-10 15:26   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-13  8:55   ` Lee Jones
2017-10-13  8:55     ` Lee Jones
2017-10-13  9:02     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-13  9:02       ` [PATCH/RFC 1/5] dt-bindings: mfd: bd9571mwv: Document rohm, ddr-backup-power Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-13  9:02       ` [PATCH/RFC 1/5] dt-bindings: mfd: bd9571mwv: Document rohm,ddr-backup-power Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-13 10:00       ` Lee Jones
2017-10-13 10:00         ` Lee Jones
2017-10-13 10:00         ` Lee Jones
2017-10-10 15:26 ` [PATCH/RFC 2/5] mfd: bd9571mwv: Add DDR Backup Power register bit definitions Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-13  8:51   ` Lee Jones
2017-10-13  8:51     ` Lee Jones
2018-04-23 18:05   ` Applied "mfd: bd9571mwv: Add DDR Backup Power register bit definitions" to the regulator tree Mark Brown
2018-04-23 18:05     ` Mark Brown
2018-04-23 18:05     ` Mark Brown
2017-10-10 15:26 ` [PATCH/RFC 3/5] mfd: bd9571mwv: Allow DDR Backup Power register access Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-13  8:58   ` Lee Jones
2017-10-13  8:58     ` Lee Jones
2017-10-13  8:58     ` Lee Jones
2017-10-13  9:06     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-13  9:06       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-13  9:06       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-13  9:56       ` Lee Jones
2017-10-13  9:56         ` Lee Jones
2017-10-13  9:56         ` Lee Jones
2018-04-23 18:05   ` Applied "mfd: bd9571mwv: Allow DDR Backup Power register access" to the regulator tree Mark Brown
2018-04-23 18:05     ` Mark Brown
2018-04-23 18:05     ` Mark Brown
2017-10-10 15:26 ` [PATCH/RFC 4/5] regulator: bd9571mwv: Add support for backup mode Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-10 15:26   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-18 11:02   ` Mark Brown
2017-10-18 11:02     ` Mark Brown
2017-10-18 11:02     ` Mark Brown
2017-10-18 11:19     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-18 11:19       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-18 11:19       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-18 11:24       ` Mark Brown
2017-10-18 11:24         ` Mark Brown
2017-10-18 11:24         ` Mark Brown
2017-10-18 11:28         ` Geert Uytterhoeven [this message]
2017-10-18 11:28           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-18 11:28           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-24  8:34           ` Mark Brown
2017-10-24  8:34             ` Mark Brown
2017-10-24  8:34             ` Mark Brown
2017-10-10 15:26 ` [PATCH/RFC 5/5] arm64: dts: renesas: salvator-common: Configure PMIC for DDR Backup Power Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-10-16  7:09   ` Simon Horman
2017-10-16  7:09     ` Simon Horman

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