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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: "linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Linux ACPI <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	jmoyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 20/21] tools/testing/nvdimm: manufactured NFITs for interface development
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:12:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4j8pTGZF_4vubPBTRDHwo=JSmq=mnZ5bhMpEhy7uYj7nw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150609064811.GG9804@lst.de>

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> wrote:
> The description fails to mention the hacks how this is archived.  I don't
> think the include hackery and otherwise needed exports are acceptable
> if with an explanation, though.

I've killed the include hackery.

> Really - get your fake hardware into qemu right now and don't bother
> with trying to hack the subsystem like this.

Rest assured that NFIT enabling for QEMU/KVM is well under way, but I
disagree that QEMU is the right place to enable unit tests.  Here is
the updated changelog that appears in "[PATCH v6 20/21]
tools/testing/nvdimm: libnvdimm unit test infrastructure":

---

tools/testing/nvdimm: libnvdimm unit test infrastructure

'libnvdimm' is the first driver sub-system in the kernel to implement
mocking for unit test coverage.  The nfit_test module gets built as an
external module and arranges for external module replacements of nfit,
libnvdimm, nd_pmem, and nd_blk.  These replacements use the linker
--wrap option to redirect calls to ioremap() + request_mem_region() to
custom defined unit test resources.  The end result is a fully
functional nvdimm_bus, as far as userspace is concerned, but with the
capability to perform otherwise destructive tests on emulated
resources.

Q: Why not use QEMU for this emulation?
QEMU is not suitable for unit testing.  QEMU's role is to faithfully
emulate the platform.  A unit test's role is to unfaithfully implement
the platform with the goal of triggering bugs in the corners of the
sub-system implementation.  As bugs are discovered in platforms, or
the sub-system itself, the unit tests are extended to backstop a fix
with a reproducer unit test.

Another problem with QEMU is that it would require coordination of 3
software projects instead of 2 (kernel + libndctl [1]) to maintain and
execute the tests.  The chances for bit rot and the difficulty of
getting the tests running goes up non-linearly the more components
involved.

Q: Why submit this to the kernel tree instead of external modules in libndctl?
Simple, to alleviate the same risk that out-of-tree external modules
face.  Updates to drivers/nvdimm/ can be immediately evaluated to see
if they have any impact on tools/testing/nvdimm/.

[1]: https://github.com/pmem/ndctl

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: "linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Linux ACPI <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	jmoyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 20/21] tools/testing/nvdimm: manufactured NFITs for interface development
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:12:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4j8pTGZF_4vubPBTRDHwo=JSmq=mnZ5bhMpEhy7uYj7nw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150609064811.GG9804@lst.de>

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> wrote:
> The description fails to mention the hacks how this is archived.  I don't
> think the include hackery and otherwise needed exports are acceptable
> if with an explanation, though.

I've killed the include hackery.

> Really - get your fake hardware into qemu right now and don't bother
> with trying to hack the subsystem like this.

Rest assured that NFIT enabling for QEMU/KVM is well under way, but I
disagree that QEMU is the right place to enable unit tests.  Here is
the updated changelog that appears in "[PATCH v6 20/21]
tools/testing/nvdimm: libnvdimm unit test infrastructure":

---

tools/testing/nvdimm: libnvdimm unit test infrastructure

'libnvdimm' is the first driver sub-system in the kernel to implement
mocking for unit test coverage.  The nfit_test module gets built as an
external module and arranges for external module replacements of nfit,
libnvdimm, nd_pmem, and nd_blk.  These replacements use the linker
--wrap option to redirect calls to ioremap() + request_mem_region() to
custom defined unit test resources.  The end result is a fully
functional nvdimm_bus, as far as userspace is concerned, but with the
capability to perform otherwise destructive tests on emulated
resources.

Q: Why not use QEMU for this emulation?
QEMU is not suitable for unit testing.  QEMU's role is to faithfully
emulate the platform.  A unit test's role is to unfaithfully implement
the platform with the goal of triggering bugs in the corners of the
sub-system implementation.  As bugs are discovered in platforms, or
the sub-system itself, the unit tests are extended to backstop a fix
with a reproducer unit test.

Another problem with QEMU is that it would require coordination of 3
software projects instead of 2 (kernel + libndctl [1]) to maintain and
execute the tests.  The chances for bit rot and the difficulty of
getting the tests running goes up non-linearly the more components
involved.

Q: Why submit this to the kernel tree instead of external modules in libndctl?
Simple, to alleviate the same risk that out-of-tree external modules
face.  Updates to drivers/nvdimm/ can be immediately evaluated to see
if they have any impact on tools/testing/nvdimm/.

[1]: https://github.com/pmem/ndctl

  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-11 20:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-02  0:14 [PATCH v5 00/21] libnvdimm: non-volatile memory devices Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14 ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14 ` [PATCH v5 01/21] e820, efi: add ACPI 6.0 persistent memory types Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14 ` [PATCH v5 02/21] libnvdimm, nfit: initial libnvdimm infrastructure and NFIT support Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-03 14:57   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-03 14:57     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-03 19:24     ` Williams, Dan J
2015-06-03 19:24       ` Williams, Dan J
2015-06-03 19:24       ` Williams, Dan J
2015-06-09  6:33       ` hch
2015-06-09  6:33         ` hch
2015-06-09  6:33         ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2015-06-09 22:27         ` Dan Williams
2015-06-09 22:27           ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14 ` [PATCH v5 03/21] libnvdimm: control character device and libnvdimm bus sysfs attributes Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14 ` [PATCH v5 04/21] libnvdimm, nfit: dimm/memory-devices Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14 ` [PATCH v5 05/21] libnvdimm: control (ioctl) messages for libnvdimm bus and dimm devices Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-09  6:34   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-09  6:34     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-09  6:34     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-09  6:57     ` Dan Williams
2015-06-09  6:57       ` Dan Williams
2015-06-09  6:57       ` Dan Williams
2015-06-10  7:33       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-10  7:33         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-10  7:33         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-02  0:14 ` [PATCH v5 06/21] libnvdimm, nvdimm: dimm driver and base libnvdimm device-driver infrastructure Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14 ` [PATCH v5 07/21] libnvdimm, nfit: regions (block-data-window, persistent memory, volatile memory) Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14 ` [PATCH v5 08/21] libnvdimm: support for legacy (non-aliasing) nvdimms Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14 ` [PATCH v5 09/21] libnvdimm, nd_pmem: add libnvdimm support to the pmem driver Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:14   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-03  7:44   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]     ` <20150603074424.GA24949-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 19:31       ` Williams, Dan J
2015-06-03 19:31         ` Williams, Dan J
     [not found]         ` <1433359894.21035.33.camel-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-09  6:36           ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2015-06-09  6:36             ` hch
2015-06-02  0:15 ` [PATCH v5 10/21] pmem: Dynamically allocate partition numbers Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15 ` [PATCH v5 11/21] libnvdimm, nfit: add interleave-set state-tracking infrastructure Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15 ` [PATCH v5 12/21] libnvdimm: namespace indices: read and validate Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-09  6:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-09  6:39     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-09  6:39     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-10 15:54     ` Dan Williams
2015-06-10 15:54       ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15 ` [PATCH v5 13/21] libnvdimm: pmem label sets and namespace instantiation Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15 ` [PATCH v5 14/21] libnvdimm: blk labels " Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15 ` [PATCH v5 15/21] libnvdimm: write pmem label set Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15 ` [PATCH v5 16/21] libnvdimm: write blk " Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15 ` [PATCH v5 17/21] libnvdimm: infrastructure for btt devices Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-09  6:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-09  6:42     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-10 18:46     ` Matthew Wilcox
2015-06-10 18:46       ` Matthew Wilcox
2015-06-11  7:28       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-11  7:28         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]         ` <20150611072812.GB1905-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-17 16:47           ` Jeff Moyer
2015-06-17 16:47             ` Jeff Moyer
     [not found]             ` <x49381qp9ic.fsf-RRHT56Q3PSP4kTEheFKJxxDDeQx5vsVwAInAS/Ez/D0@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-17 16:50               ` Dan Williams
2015-06-17 16:50                 ` Dan Williams
2015-06-17 16:57                 ` Jeff Moyer
2015-06-17 16:57                   ` Jeff Moyer
2015-06-17 17:09                   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15 ` [PATCH v5 18/21] nd_btt: atomic sector updates Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-09  6:44   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-09  6:44     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-09  6:44     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-09 18:27     ` Vishal Verma
2015-06-09 18:27       ` Vishal Verma
2015-06-10  7:34       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-10  7:34         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-10  7:34         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-10 18:24         ` Vishal Verma
2015-06-10 18:24           ` Vishal Verma
2015-06-02  0:15 ` [PATCH v5 19/21] libnvdimm, nfit, nd_blk: driver for BLK-mode access persistent memory Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15 ` [PATCH v5 20/21] tools/testing/nvdimm: manufactured NFITs for interface development Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-06-09  6:48   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-09  6:48     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-09  6:48     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-06-11 20:12     ` Dan Williams [this message]
2015-06-11 20:12       ` Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:16 ` [PATCH v5 21/21] libnvdimm: Non-Volatile Devices Dan Williams
2015-06-02  0:16   ` Dan Williams

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