* Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Kazakhstan (KZ) [not found] <CAPgWZqzskMUOnmdBwh6TEh5yfrbdzg+4bZOUMQPkJffWizZweg@mail.gmail.com> @ 2020-11-08 21:19 ` Pavel Starosek 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Pavel Starosek @ 2020-11-08 21:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: seth.forshee; +Cc: wireless-regdb, linux-wireless Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired part on the page): * Extended range 2400-2483.5 * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC? Therefore, I didn't change this value * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify NO-OUTDOOR at all, right? * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?) As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850 range anywhere in the [2] document. I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct? --- # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730 # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375 country KZ: DFS-ETSI (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20) (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40) --- Thanks, Pavel On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 3:16 AM Pavel Starosek <starosekpd@gmail.com> wrote: > > Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired part on the page): > > * Extended range 2400-2483.5 > * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW > * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC? Therefore, I didn't change this value > * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage > * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify NO-OUTDOOR at all, right? > * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?) > As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850 range anywhere in the [2] document. > > I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct? > --- > # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730 > # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375 > country KZ: DFS-ETSI > (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20) > (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW > (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW > (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR > (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40) > > --- > Thanks, > Pavel > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Kazakhstan (KZ) @ 2020-11-08 21:19 ` Pavel Starosek 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Pavel Starosek @ 2020-11-08 21:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: seth.forshee; +Cc: linux-wireless, wireless-regdb Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired part on the page): * Extended range 2400-2483.5 * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC? Therefore, I didn't change this value * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify NO-OUTDOOR at all, right? * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?) As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850 range anywhere in the [2] document. I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct? --- # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730 # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375 country KZ: DFS-ETSI (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20) (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40) --- Thanks, Pavel On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 3:16 AM Pavel Starosek <starosekpd@gmail.com> wrote: > > Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired part on the page): > > * Extended range 2400-2483.5 > * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW > * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC? Therefore, I didn't change this value > * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage > * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify NO-OUTDOOR at all, right? > * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?) > As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850 range anywhere in the [2] document. > > I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct? > --- > # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730 > # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375 > country KZ: DFS-ETSI > (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20) > (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW > (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW > (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR > (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40) > > --- > Thanks, > Pavel > _______________________________________________ wireless-regdb mailing list wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Kazakhstan (KZ) 2020-11-08 21:19 ` [wireless-regdb] " Pavel Starosek @ 2020-11-10 21:40 ` Seth Forshee -1 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Seth Forshee @ 2020-11-10 21:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pavel Starosek; +Cc: wireless-regdb, linux-wireless On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 03:19:01AM +0600, Pavel Starosek wrote: > Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired > part on the page): Thanks for the updates. I think there are some questions though be answered in the documents you linked to. I find that tables like these often have incomplete information. Sometimes they refer to other documents, but I'm not seeing any such references here. I've tried to find more complete documents, but I haven't had any luck. Overall these look okay, but if you are able to find any additional information to clarify some of these points it would be helpful. > * Extended range 2400-2483.5 > * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW > * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local > regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC? > Therefore, I didn't change this value It would be nice to know for sure, but without any additional information keeping it at 20 dBm is the safe bet. Many countries do require TPC in this range. > * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage Here it would be nice to know if there are any additional restrictions on use, e.g. TPC or DFS. That appears to be rare though, so it seems unlikely. > * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify > NO-OUTDOOR at all, right? That is generally the case for this range. What you suggest looks fine. > * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?) Probably not a typo, if 160 MHz channels are allowed the entry probably just hasn't been updated. But those documents don't really state whether or not they are allowed. > As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850 > range anywhere in the [2] document. I don't it documenting any DFS requirement at all though, and severaly entries in the db have a DFS requirement, so I'm not sure that really clears up the question. I'm reading a translation of the document though, so maybe I'm just not finding them. Let me know if you're able to find any more information to clear up these questions. Are you able to send the changes as a patch? If you don't know how, that's fine, I can create a patch. Thanks, Seth > > I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct? > --- > # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730 > # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375 > country KZ: DFS-ETSI > (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20) > (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW > (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW > (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR > (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40) > > --- > Thanks, > Pavel > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 3:16 AM Pavel Starosek <starosekpd@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired part on the page): > > > > * Extended range 2400-2483.5 > > * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW > > * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC? Therefore, I didn't change this value > > * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage > > * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify NO-OUTDOOR at all, right? > > * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?) > > As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850 range anywhere in the [2] document. > > > > I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct? > > --- > > # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730 > > # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375 > > country KZ: DFS-ETSI > > (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20) > > (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW > > (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW > > (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > > (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR > > (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40) > > > > --- > > Thanks, > > Pavel > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Kazakhstan (KZ) @ 2020-11-10 21:40 ` Seth Forshee 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Seth Forshee @ 2020-11-10 21:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pavel Starosek; +Cc: linux-wireless, wireless-regdb On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 03:19:01AM +0600, Pavel Starosek wrote: > Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired > part on the page): Thanks for the updates. I think there are some questions though be answered in the documents you linked to. I find that tables like these often have incomplete information. Sometimes they refer to other documents, but I'm not seeing any such references here. I've tried to find more complete documents, but I haven't had any luck. Overall these look okay, but if you are able to find any additional information to clarify some of these points it would be helpful. > * Extended range 2400-2483.5 > * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW > * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local > regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC? > Therefore, I didn't change this value It would be nice to know for sure, but without any additional information keeping it at 20 dBm is the safe bet. Many countries do require TPC in this range. > * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage Here it would be nice to know if there are any additional restrictions on use, e.g. TPC or DFS. That appears to be rare though, so it seems unlikely. > * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify > NO-OUTDOOR at all, right? That is generally the case for this range. What you suggest looks fine. > * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?) Probably not a typo, if 160 MHz channels are allowed the entry probably just hasn't been updated. But those documents don't really state whether or not they are allowed. > As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850 > range anywhere in the [2] document. I don't it documenting any DFS requirement at all though, and severaly entries in the db have a DFS requirement, so I'm not sure that really clears up the question. I'm reading a translation of the document though, so maybe I'm just not finding them. Let me know if you're able to find any more information to clear up these questions. Are you able to send the changes as a patch? If you don't know how, that's fine, I can create a patch. Thanks, Seth > > I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct? > --- > # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730 > # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375 > country KZ: DFS-ETSI > (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20) > (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW > (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW > (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR > (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40) > > --- > Thanks, > Pavel > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 3:16 AM Pavel Starosek <starosekpd@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired part on the page): > > > > * Extended range 2400-2483.5 > > * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW > > * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC? Therefore, I didn't change this value > > * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage > > * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify NO-OUTDOOR at all, right? > > * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?) > > As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850 range anywhere in the [2] document. > > > > I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct? > > --- > > # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730 > > # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375 > > country KZ: DFS-ETSI > > (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20) > > (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW > > (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW > > (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > > (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR > > (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40) > > > > --- > > Thanks, > > Pavel > > _______________________________________________ wireless-regdb mailing list wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Kazakhstan (KZ) 2020-11-10 21:40 ` [wireless-regdb] " Seth Forshee @ 2020-11-11 18:36 ` Pavel Starosek -1 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Pavel Starosek @ 2020-11-11 18:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Seth Forshee; +Cc: wireless-regdb, linux-wireless On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 3:40 AM Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 03:19:01AM +0600, Pavel Starosek wrote: > > Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired > > part on the page): > > Thanks for the updates. I think there are some questions though be > answered in the documents you linked to. I find that tables like these > often have incomplete information. Sometimes they refer to other > documents, but I'm not seeing any such references here. I've tried to > find more complete documents, but I haven't had any luck. > > Overall these look okay, but if you are able to find any additional > information to clarify some of these points it would be helpful. > > > * Extended range 2400-2483.5 > > * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW > > * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local > > regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC? > > Therefore, I didn't change this value > > It would be nice to know for sure, but without any additional > information keeping it at 20 dBm is the safe bet. Many countries do > require TPC in this range. Probably DFS is required in 5470-5650 MHz range because of 5.450В rule in [2]. > > * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage > > Here it would be nice to know if there are any additional restrictions > on use, e.g. TPC or DFS. That appears to be rare though, so it seems > unlikely. I didn't find any TPC or DFS requirements about this 5725-5850 range. > > * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify > > NO-OUTDOOR at all, right? > > That is generally the case for this range. What you suggest looks fine. > > > * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?) > > Probably not a typo, if 160 MHz channels are allowed the entry probably > just hasn't been updated. But those documents don't really state whether > or not they are allowed. > > > As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850 > > range anywhere in the [2] document. > > I don't it documenting any DFS requirement at all though, and severaly > entries in the db have a DFS requirement, so I'm not sure that really > clears up the question. I'm reading a translation of the document > though, so maybe I'm just not finding them. > > Let me know if you're able to find any more information to clear up > these questions. Are you able to send the changes as a patch? If you > don't know how, that's fine, I can create a patch. In fact, I'm not sure at all if document [2] applies to our case. Since the rules in it regulate the actions for transportable radio navigation services (used in sea, air, space). So these are additional regulations. The main rules are described in document [1]. And according to them, these rules do not apply to Wi-Fi devices, according to chapter 1, paragraph 1, subparagraph 1. Please read from this paragraph: http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730#z34 Since Wi-Fi devices refer to the table in Appendix 1, I think they are priority. I'll send a patch soon. > > Thanks, > Seth > > > > > I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct? > > --- > > # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730 > > # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375 > > country KZ: DFS-ETSI > > (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20) > > (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW > > (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW > > (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > > (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR > > (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40) > > > > --- > > Thanks, > > Pavel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Kazakhstan (KZ) @ 2020-11-11 18:36 ` Pavel Starosek 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Pavel Starosek @ 2020-11-11 18:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Seth Forshee; +Cc: linux-wireless, wireless-regdb On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 3:40 AM Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 03:19:01AM +0600, Pavel Starosek wrote: > > Updates, based on [1] (search for word "RLAN" to jump to the desired > > part on the page): > > Thanks for the updates. I think there are some questions though be > answered in the documents you linked to. I find that tables like these > often have incomplete information. Sometimes they refer to other > documents, but I'm not seeing any such references here. I've tried to > find more complete documents, but I haven't had any luck. > > Overall these look okay, but if you are able to find any additional > information to clarify some of these points it would be helpful. > > > * Extended range 2400-2483.5 > > * 5150–5250 MHz range may be up to 200 mW > > * The same is about 5250 - 5350 MHz according to our local > > regulations, but looks like this is incorrect because of TPC? > > Therefore, I didn't change this value > > It would be nice to know for sure, but without any additional > information keeping it at 20 dBm is the safe bet. Many countries do > require TPC in this range. Probably DFS is required in 5470-5650 MHz range because of 5.450В rule in [2]. > > * Add 5725-5850 MHz range for indoor usage > > Here it would be nice to know if there are any additional restrictions > on use, e.g. TPC or DFS. That appears to be rare though, so it seems > unlikely. I didn't find any TPC or DFS requirements about this 5725-5850 range. > > * Add 57-66 GHz range. It must be outdoors only, so we don't specify > > NO-OUTDOOR at all, right? > > That is generally the case for this range. What you suggest looks fine. > > > * In 5470-5725 changed the bandwidth from 80 to 160 (typo?) > > Probably not a typo, if 160 MHz channels are allowed the entry probably > just hasn't been updated. But those documents don't really state whether > or not they are allowed. > > > As I understand it, there is no DFS requirement for the 5725-5850 > > range anywhere in the [2] document. > > I don't it documenting any DFS requirement at all though, and severaly > entries in the db have a DFS requirement, so I'm not sure that really > clears up the question. I'm reading a translation of the document > though, so maybe I'm just not finding them. > > Let me know if you're able to find any more information to clear up > these questions. Are you able to send the changes as a patch? If you > don't know how, that's fine, I can create a patch. In fact, I'm not sure at all if document [2] applies to our case. Since the rules in it regulate the actions for transportable radio navigation services (used in sea, air, space). So these are additional regulations. The main rules are described in document [1]. And according to them, these rules do not apply to Wi-Fi devices, according to chapter 1, paragraph 1, subparagraph 1. Please read from this paragraph: http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730#z34 Since Wi-Fi devices refer to the table in Appendix 1, I think they are priority. I'll send a patch soon. > > Thanks, > Seth > > > > > I can suggest this change. Please check if everything is correct? > > --- > > # [1] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010730 > > # [2] http://adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/V1500010375 > > country KZ: DFS-ETSI > > (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (20) > > (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW > > (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW > > (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS > > (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR > > (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40) > > > > --- > > Thanks, > > Pavel _______________________________________________ wireless-regdb mailing list wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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