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From: Keir Fraser <keir.xen@gmail.com>
To: Olaf Hering <olaf@aepfle.de>
Cc: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>, <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	<kexec@lists.infradead.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Kiper <dkiper@net-space.pl>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] incorrect layout of globals from head_64.S during kexec boot
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:54:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CC26BA2A.38974%keir.xen@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120713202003.GA20972@aepfle.de>

On 13/07/2012 21:20, "Olaf Hering" <olaf@aepfle.de> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 10, Keir Fraser wrote:
> 
>> On 10/07/2012 19:09, "Olaf Hering" <olaf@aepfle.de> wrote:
>>> I'm not sure, most likely the gfn will just disappear from the guest,
>>> like a ballooned page disappears. Accessing it will likely cause a
>>> crash.
>> 
>> Best thing to do, is possible, is map the shared-info page in the
>> xen-platform pci device's BAR memory range. Then it will not conflict with
>> any RAM.
>> 
>> If you do map it over the top of an existing RAM page, you will have to
>> repopulate that RAM page before kexec, using populate_physmap hypercall. The
>> good news is that the populate_physmap hypercall will have the side effect
>> of unmapping the shared-info page, reayd to be mapped wherever the new
>> kernel would like it to reside :)
> 
> Keir,
> 
> is this a safe thing to do in a SMP guest?
> If arch/x86/xen/enlighten.c:xen_hvm_init_shared_info() allocates a page
> (backed by mfn M and pfn A) and assigns *HYPERVISOR_shared_info and
> *xen_vcpu then everything will reference these pointers.

So pfn A now points at shared_info, and mfn M is lost (freed back to Xen).
Xen_vcpu doesn't come into it, you'd have that mapped at yet another pfn.

> If drivers/xen/platform-pci.c:platform_pci_init would also do a
> XENMAPSPACE_shared_info call with pfn B, isnt there a small window where
> pfn A is not backed by a mfn because mfn M is now connected to pfn C? As
> a result other code paths which access *HYPERVISOR_shared_info and
> *xen_vcpu between the hypercall and the update of the pointers will read
> 0xff.

Don't really understand this. After the XENMAPSPACE_shared_info_call:
 * PFN B points at shared_info, mfn M_B it previously mapped is lost (freed
back to Xen).
 * PFN A maps nothing, reads return all-1s.

Yes, obviously you can't atomically update the mapping of shinfo from A->B,
ad update your pointer in the kernel at exactly the same time. Presumably
you do this early during boot, or late during kexec, or otherwise at a time
when other processors are not expected to touch shinfo.

> 
> If I read the hypercall code of XENMEM_add_to_physmap correctly the mfn
> backing *HYPERVISOR_shared_info will remain the same, so there is no need
> to copy data from the old to the new *HYPERVISOR_shared_info.

That is correct.

> What do you think, is that race real?

I suppose it is. I didn't imagine it would be a troublesome one though.

 -- Keir

> Olaf



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Keir Fraser <keir.xen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Olaf Hering <olaf-QOLJcTWqO2uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: xen-devel-GuqFBffKawuULHF6PoxzQEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
	<konrad.wilk-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	kexec-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>,
	Daniel Kiper <dkiper-lGfBN0aaEZ+lPcVs/6D9LQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] incorrect layout of globals from head_64.S during kexec boot
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:54:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CC26BA2A.38974%keir.xen@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120713202003.GA20972-QOLJcTWqO2uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>

On 13/07/2012 21:20, "Olaf Hering" <olaf-QOLJcTWqO2uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 10, Keir Fraser wrote:
> 
>> On 10/07/2012 19:09, "Olaf Hering" <olaf-QOLJcTWqO2uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>> I'm not sure, most likely the gfn will just disappear from the guest,
>>> like a ballooned page disappears. Accessing it will likely cause a
>>> crash.
>> 
>> Best thing to do, is possible, is map the shared-info page in the
>> xen-platform pci device's BAR memory range. Then it will not conflict with
>> any RAM.
>> 
>> If you do map it over the top of an existing RAM page, you will have to
>> repopulate that RAM page before kexec, using populate_physmap hypercall. The
>> good news is that the populate_physmap hypercall will have the side effect
>> of unmapping the shared-info page, reayd to be mapped wherever the new
>> kernel would like it to reside :)
> 
> Keir,
> 
> is this a safe thing to do in a SMP guest?
> If arch/x86/xen/enlighten.c:xen_hvm_init_shared_info() allocates a page
> (backed by mfn M and pfn A) and assigns *HYPERVISOR_shared_info and
> *xen_vcpu then everything will reference these pointers.

So pfn A now points at shared_info, and mfn M is lost (freed back to Xen).
Xen_vcpu doesn't come into it, you'd have that mapped at yet another pfn.

> If drivers/xen/platform-pci.c:platform_pci_init would also do a
> XENMAPSPACE_shared_info call with pfn B, isnt there a small window where
> pfn A is not backed by a mfn because mfn M is now connected to pfn C? As
> a result other code paths which access *HYPERVISOR_shared_info and
> *xen_vcpu between the hypercall and the update of the pointers will read
> 0xff.

Don't really understand this. After the XENMAPSPACE_shared_info_call:
 * PFN B points at shared_info, mfn M_B it previously mapped is lost (freed
back to Xen).
 * PFN A maps nothing, reads return all-1s.

Yes, obviously you can't atomically update the mapping of shinfo from A->B,
ad update your pointer in the kernel at exactly the same time. Presumably
you do this early during boot, or late during kexec, or otherwise at a time
when other processors are not expected to touch shinfo.

> 
> If I read the hypercall code of XENMEM_add_to_physmap correctly the mfn
> backing *HYPERVISOR_shared_info will remain the same, so there is no need
> to copy data from the old to the new *HYPERVISOR_shared_info.

That is correct.

> What do you think, is that race real?

I suppose it is. I didn't imagine it would be a troublesome one though.

 -- Keir

> Olaf

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Keir Fraser <keir.xen@gmail.com>
To: Olaf Hering <olaf@aepfle.de>
Cc: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	Daniel Kiper <dkiper@net-space.pl>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] incorrect layout of globals from head_64.S during kexec boot
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:54:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CC26BA2A.38974%keir.xen@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120713202003.GA20972@aepfle.de>

On 13/07/2012 21:20, "Olaf Hering" <olaf@aepfle.de> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 10, Keir Fraser wrote:
> 
>> On 10/07/2012 19:09, "Olaf Hering" <olaf@aepfle.de> wrote:
>>> I'm not sure, most likely the gfn will just disappear from the guest,
>>> like a ballooned page disappears. Accessing it will likely cause a
>>> crash.
>> 
>> Best thing to do, is possible, is map the shared-info page in the
>> xen-platform pci device's BAR memory range. Then it will not conflict with
>> any RAM.
>> 
>> If you do map it over the top of an existing RAM page, you will have to
>> repopulate that RAM page before kexec, using populate_physmap hypercall. The
>> good news is that the populate_physmap hypercall will have the side effect
>> of unmapping the shared-info page, reayd to be mapped wherever the new
>> kernel would like it to reside :)
> 
> Keir,
> 
> is this a safe thing to do in a SMP guest?
> If arch/x86/xen/enlighten.c:xen_hvm_init_shared_info() allocates a page
> (backed by mfn M and pfn A) and assigns *HYPERVISOR_shared_info and
> *xen_vcpu then everything will reference these pointers.

So pfn A now points at shared_info, and mfn M is lost (freed back to Xen).
Xen_vcpu doesn't come into it, you'd have that mapped at yet another pfn.

> If drivers/xen/platform-pci.c:platform_pci_init would also do a
> XENMAPSPACE_shared_info call with pfn B, isnt there a small window where
> pfn A is not backed by a mfn because mfn M is now connected to pfn C? As
> a result other code paths which access *HYPERVISOR_shared_info and
> *xen_vcpu between the hypercall and the update of the pointers will read
> 0xff.

Don't really understand this. After the XENMAPSPACE_shared_info_call:
 * PFN B points at shared_info, mfn M_B it previously mapped is lost (freed
back to Xen).
 * PFN A maps nothing, reads return all-1s.

Yes, obviously you can't atomically update the mapping of shinfo from A->B,
ad update your pointer in the kernel at exactly the same time. Presumably
you do this early during boot, or late during kexec, or otherwise at a time
when other processors are not expected to touch shinfo.

> 
> If I read the hypercall code of XENMEM_add_to_physmap correctly the mfn
> backing *HYPERVISOR_shared_info will remain the same, so there is no need
> to copy data from the old to the new *HYPERVISOR_shared_info.

That is correct.

> What do you think, is that race real?

I suppose it is. I didn't imagine it would be a troublesome one though.

 -- Keir

> Olaf



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Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-05 21:06 incorrect layout of globals from head_64.S during kexec boot Olaf Hering
2012-07-05 21:06 ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-06  8:29 ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2012-07-06  8:29   ` Jan Beulich
2012-07-06  8:29   ` Jan Beulich
2012-07-06  8:41 ` Daniel Kiper
2012-07-06  8:41   ` Daniel Kiper
2012-07-06  8:41   ` Daniel Kiper
2012-07-06 12:07   ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-06 12:07     ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-06 12:56     ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2012-07-06 12:56       ` Jan Beulich
2012-07-06 12:56       ` Jan Beulich
2012-07-06 13:31       ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-06 13:31         ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-06 13:31         ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-06 13:53         ` Jan Beulich
2012-07-06 13:53           ` Jan Beulich
2012-07-06 13:53           ` Jan Beulich
2012-07-06 14:14         ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-06 14:14           ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-06 14:50           ` Jan Beulich
2012-07-06 14:50             ` Jan Beulich
2012-07-06 14:50             ` Jan Beulich
2012-07-06 17:29             ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-06 17:29               ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-10  9:33               ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-10  9:33                 ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-10 14:14                 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-07-10 14:14                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-07-10 14:46                   ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-10 14:46                     ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-10 14:51                     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-07-10 14:51                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-07-10 14:51                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-07-10 15:29                       ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-10 15:29                         ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-10 15:29                         ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-10 15:37                         ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-10 15:37                           ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-10 15:23                   ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-10 15:23                     ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-10 17:26                     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-07-10 17:26                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-07-10 17:26                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-07-10 18:09                       ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-10 18:09                         ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-10 18:32                         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-07-10 18:32                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-07-10 19:08                         ` Keir Fraser
2012-07-10 19:08                           ` Keir Fraser
2012-07-10 19:08                           ` Keir Fraser
2012-07-13 20:20                           ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-13 20:20                             ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-14  4:54                             ` Keir Fraser [this message]
2012-07-14  4:54                               ` Keir Fraser
2012-07-14  4:54                               ` Keir Fraser
2012-07-15 16:06                           ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-15 16:06                             ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-15 17:17                             ` Keir Fraser
2012-07-15 17:17                               ` Keir Fraser
2012-07-15 17:17                               ` Keir Fraser
2012-07-16 15:46                             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-07-16 15:46                               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-07-17 10:24                               ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-17 10:24                                 ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-17 12:34                                 ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-17 12:34                                   ` Olaf Hering
2012-07-06 15:54     ` Daniel Kiper
2012-07-06 15:54       ` Daniel Kiper

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