RFC: Hob 1.2 design

RFC: Hob 1.2 design

[Wang, Shane]

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Hi, all,

Belen has a new video for Hob2 workflow and design.

https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/File:Hob1.2-screencast2.mov

Please comment.

Thanks.
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Shane

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Re: Hob 1.2 design

[Stewart, David C]

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Belen - nice work!  This just gets better all the time.  I really like the enhancements to the work flow.

Quick question - around 6:40 in the video, once you successfully build there is a "Deploy Image" button. Then at 7:44 there is a "Write to Storage" button. Are these both doing the same thing?

Thank you for making something so functional and so beautiful.

Dave

From: yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org [mailto:yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Wang, Shane
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:39 AM
To: yocto@yoctoproject.org
Subject: [yocto] RFC: Hob 1.2 design

Hi, all,

Belen has a new video for Hob2 workflow and design.

https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/File:Hob1.2-screencast2.mov

Please comment.

Thanks.
--
Shane

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Re: Hob 1.2 design

[Barros Pena, Belen]

You are right, Dave. "Deploy image" and "Write to storage" are the same thing. I meant to use "Write to storage" everywhere (it seemed a more accurate description), but a "Deploy" slipped through!

Thanks for the nice feedback.

Belen

From: "Stewart, David C" <david.c.stewart@intel.com<mailto:david.c.stewart@intel.com>>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 03:15:55 +0000
To: "Wang, Shane" <shane.wang@intel.com<mailto:shane.wang@intel.com>>, "yocto@yoctoproject.org<mailto:yocto@yoctoproject.org>" <yocto@yoctoproject.org<mailto:yocto@yoctoproject.org>>
Subject: Re: [yocto] Hob 1.2 design

Belen – nice work!  This just gets better all the time.  I really like the enhancements to the work flow.

Quick question – around 6:40 in the video, once you successfully build there is a “Deploy Image” button. Then at 7:44 there is a “Write to Storage” button. Are these both doing the same thing?

Thank you for making something so functional and so beautiful.

Dave

From: yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org<mailto:yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org> [mailto:yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Wang, Shane
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:39 AM
To: yocto@yoctoproject.org<mailto:yocto@yoctoproject.org>
Subject: [yocto] RFC: Hob 1.2 design

Hi, all,

Belen has a new video for Hob2 workflow and design.

https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/File:Hob1.2-screencast2.mov

Please comment.

Thanks.
--
Shane
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Re: RFC: Hob 1.2 design

[Scott Garman]

On 01/31/2012 05:39 PM, Wang, Shane wrote:
> Hi, all,
>
> Belen has a new video for Hob2 workflow and design.
>
> https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/File:Hob1.2-screencast2.mov
>
> Please comment.

I'm pretty amazed with this. The workflow seems clear and each screen 
provides just the right bits of information the user would be interested 
in seeing. Outstanding!

Scott

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Re: RFC: Hob 1.2 design

[Jack Mitchell]

On 01/02/12 17:28, Scott Garman wrote:
> On 01/31/2012 05:39 PM, Wang, Shane wrote:
>> Hi, all,
>>
>> Belen has a new video for Hob2 workflow and design.
>>
>> https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/File:Hob1.2-screencast2.mov
>>
>> Please comment.
>
> I'm pretty amazed with this. The workflow seems clear and each screen 
> provides just the right bits of information the user would be 
> interested in seeing. Outstanding!
>
> Scott
>

I concur, it looks fantastic - well done!

It covers a lot more bases than I thought it would. Even if you still 
like to do the build via CLI it gives a fantastic overview of the system 
you're building as a whole, and even better, a dependency tree for why 
certain packages are being included in the build.

Re: RFC: Hob 1.2 design

[Joshua Lock]

On 31/01/12 17:39, Wang, Shane wrote:
> Hi, all,
>
> Belen has a new video for Hob2 workflow and design.
>
> https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/File:Hob1.2-screencast2.mov

It just came to my attention through another channel that the 
description column of the packages table is no longer present.

There had been some discussion about how to show relevant description 
information in that column, so I'm surprised to see it go.

Belen, I assume from a design perspective this field was removed as it 
didn't show anything particularly useful? If we have useful data to 
include in that field is there a more appropriate way to integrate it 
into the UI? Perhaps a tooltip? Or an information overlay as has been 
used in other areas of the design?

I'm concerned that if we give the user a list of packages without any 
more information we aren't making it easy for them to build an OS image 
without already understanding exactly all of the components they need - 
thoughts?

Cheers,
Joshua
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Joshua Lock
         Yocto Project "Johannes factotum"
         Intel Open Source Technology Centre

Re: RFC: Hob 1.2 design

[Barros Pena, Belen]

Hi Joshua,

Additional package details appear on clicking the package name using an
information bubble. The bubble is also dismissed on click using a 'close'
button. This functionality is shown on the first video (not on the second
one: I skipped it to keep it short).

Cheers

Belen

On 06/02/2012 21:32, "Joshua Lock" <josh@linux.intel.com> wrote:

>On 31/01/12 17:39, Wang, Shane wrote:
>> Hi, all,
>>
>> Belen has a new video for Hob2 workflow and design.
>>
>> https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/File:Hob1.2-screencast2.mov
>
>It just came to my attention through another channel that the
>description column of the packages table is no longer present.
>
>There had been some discussion about how to show relevant description
>information in that column, so I'm surprised to see it go.
>
>Belen, I assume from a design perspective this field was removed as it
>didn't show anything particularly useful? If we have useful data to
>include in that field is there a more appropriate way to integrate it
>into the UI? Perhaps a tooltip? Or an information overlay as has been
>used in other areas of the design?
>
>I'm concerned that if we give the user a list of packages without any
>more information we aren't making it easy for them to build an OS image
>without already understanding exactly all of the components they need -
>thoughts?
>
>Cheers,
>Joshua
>-- 
>Joshua Lock
>         Yocto Project "Johannes factotum"
>         Intel Open Source Technology Centre

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Re: RFC: Hob 1.2 design

[Joshua Lock]

Hi Belen,

Thanks for clarifying.

Shane - I noticed at least one bug has been closed because the second 
video didn't show the features (#1804) - seems like this isn't what was 
intended by features 'disappearing' in the latest video.

http://bugzilla.pokylinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1804

Cheers,
Joshua

On 07/02/12 03:23, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
> Hi Joshua,
>
> Additional package details appear on clicking the package name using an
> information bubble. The bubble is also dismissed on click using a 'close'
> button. This functionality is shown on the first video (not on the second
> one: I skipped it to keep it short).
>
> Cheers
>
> Belen
>
> On 06/02/2012 21:32, "Joshua Lock"<josh@linux.intel.com>  wrote:
>
>> On 31/01/12 17:39, Wang, Shane wrote:
>>> Hi, all,
>>>
>>> Belen has a new video for Hob2 workflow and design.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/File:Hob1.2-screencast2.mov
>>
>> It just came to my attention through another channel that the
>> description column of the packages table is no longer present.
>>
>> There had been some discussion about how to show relevant description
>> information in that column, so I'm surprised to see it go.
>>
>> Belen, I assume from a design perspective this field was removed as it
>> didn't show anything particularly useful? If we have useful data to
>> include in that field is there a more appropriate way to integrate it
>> into the UI? Perhaps a tooltip? Or an information overlay as has been
>> used in other areas of the design?
>>
>> I'm concerned that if we give the user a list of packages without any
>> more information we aren't making it easy for them to build an OS image
>> without already understanding exactly all of the components they need -
>> thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Joshua
>> --
>> Joshua Lock
>>          Yocto Project "Johannes factotum"
>>          Intel Open Source Technology Centre
>

-- 
Joshua Lock
         Yocto Project "Johannes factotum"
         Intel Open Source Technology Centre

Re: RFC: Hob 1.2 design

[Barros Pena, Belen]

Just to clarify: videos show relevant functionality to a specific design
piece. The fact that a video does not show something it doesn't mean the
functionality has gone away. If I showed everything on each video they
would be very very long (and very very boring) videos.  I hope this
explains. 

Given the time constraints we have, the little design documentation I am
producing is incomplete. Therefore, it is very important that if you have
any questions, doubts, thoughts, feedback, general comments etc about the
Hob UI, you get in touch with me. Even if the question sounds very small
or trivial: that's what I am here for.

Cheers

Belen



On 07/02/2012 16:17, "Joshua Lock" <josh@linux.intel.com> wrote:

>Hi Belen,
>
>Thanks for clarifying.
>
>Shane - I noticed at least one bug has been closed because the second
>video didn't show the features (#1804) - seems like this isn't what was
>intended by features 'disappearing' in the latest video.
>
>http://bugzilla.pokylinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1804
>
>Cheers,
>Joshua
>
>On 07/02/12 03:23, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
>> Hi Joshua,
>>
>> Additional package details appear on clicking the package name using an
>> information bubble. The bubble is also dismissed on click using a
>>'close'
>> button. This functionality is shown on the first video (not on the
>>second
>> one: I skipped it to keep it short).
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Belen
>>
>> On 06/02/2012 21:32, "Joshua Lock"<josh@linux.intel.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/01/12 17:39, Wang, Shane wrote:
>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>
>>>> Belen has a new video for Hob2 workflow and design.
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/File:Hob1.2-screencast2.mov
>>>
>>> It just came to my attention through another channel that the
>>> description column of the packages table is no longer present.
>>>
>>> There had been some discussion about how to show relevant description
>>> information in that column, so I'm surprised to see it go.
>>>
>>> Belen, I assume from a design perspective this field was removed as it
>>> didn't show anything particularly useful? If we have useful data to
>>> include in that field is there a more appropriate way to integrate it
>>> into the UI? Perhaps a tooltip? Or an information overlay as has been
>>> used in other areas of the design?
>>>
>>> I'm concerned that if we give the user a list of packages without any
>>> more information we aren't making it easy for them to build an OS image
>>> without already understanding exactly all of the components they need -
>>> thoughts?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joshua
>>> --
>>> Joshua Lock
>>>          Yocto Project "Johannes factotum"
>>>          Intel Open Source Technology Centre
>>
>
>-- 
>Joshua Lock
>         Yocto Project "Johannes factotum"
>         Intel Open Source Technology Centre

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