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From: Liran Liss <liranl@mellanox.com>
To: "Hefty, Sean" <sean.hefty@intel.com>,
	"Weiny, Ira" <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Michael Wang <yun.wang@profitbricks.com>,
	Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
	Hal Rosenstock <hal.rosenstock@gmail.com>,
	"hal@dev.mellanox.co.il" <hal@dev.mellanox.co.il>,
	Tom Tucker <tom@opengridcomputing.com>,
	Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>,
	Hoang-Nam Nguyen <hnguyen@de.ibm.com>,
	"raisch@de.ibm.com" <raisch@de.ibm.com>,
	infinipath <infinipath@intel.com>, Eli Cohen <eli@mellanox.com>,
	"Latif, Faisal" <faisal.latif@intel.com>,
	Jack Morgenstein <jackm@dev.mellanox.co.il>,
	Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
	Haggai Eran <haggaie@mellanox.com>, Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v5 00/27] IB/Verbs: IB Management Helpers
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:49:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DB4PR05MB0863B7122F8FD7EFA4A80A9AB1EC0@DB4PR05MB0863.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FC64BD@ORSMSX109.amr.corp.intel.com>

> From: Hefty, Sean [mailto:sean.hefty@intel.com]

[snip]
> > > So, I think that our "old-transport" below is just fine.
> > > No need to change it (and you aren't, since it is currently
> > > implemented
> > as a function).
> >
> > I think there is a need to change this.  Encoding the transport into
> > the node type is not a good idea.  Having different "transport
> > semantics" while still returning the same transport for the port is
> > confusing.
> >
> > The only thing which is clear currently is Link Layer.
> >
> > But the use of "Link Layer" in the code is so convoluted that it is
> > very confusing.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> One could implement software iWarp or IBoUDP (RoCEv2) protocols that
> could run over any link layer and interoperate with existing HW solutions.
> The stack shouldn't be dealing with the link level at all, with the exception of
> user space compatibility.
> 
> > Define Transport?  There has been a lot of discussion over what a
> > transport is in Verbs.
> 
> IMO, we should replace using the word 'transport' with just 'rdma_protocol'.
> And even then I'm not convinced that anything should care, beyond user
> space compatibility.  The caps are what matter.
> 
> - Sean

I completely agree.
If we ever see a need for representing a set or subset of cross-layer protocols (at any level, L2-L4, various encapsulations), we will add the proper management helpers.
For example:
- rdma_protocol_roce() /* both v1 and v2 */
- rdma_protocol_roce_v1()
- rdma_protocol_roce_v2()
- rdma_protocol_usnic()
- rdma_protocol_usnic_udp()


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From: Liran Liss <liranl@mellanox.com>
To: "Hefty, Sean" <sean.hefty@intel.com>,
	"Weiny, Ira" <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Michael Wang <yun.wang@profitbricks.com>,
	Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
	Hal Rosenstock <hal.rosenstock@gmail.com>,
	"hal@dev.mellanox.co.il" <hal@dev.mellanox.co.il>,
	Tom Tucker <tom@opengridcomputing.com>,
	Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>,
	Hoang-Nam Nguyen <hnguyen@de.ibm.com>,
	"raisch@de.ibm.com" <raisch@de.ibm.com>,
	infinipath <infinipath@intel.com>, Eli Cohen <eli@mellanox.com>,
	"Latif, Faisal" <faisal.latif@intel.com>,
	"Jack Morgenstein" <jackm@dev.mellanox.co.il>,
	Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
	Haggai Eran <haggaie@mellanox.com>, Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v5 00/27] IB/Verbs: IB Management Helpers
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:49:49 +0000	[thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FC64BD@ORSMSX109.amr.corp.intel.com>

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> From: Hefty, Sean [mailto:sean.hefty@intel.com]

[snip]
> > > So, I think that our "old-transport" below is just fine.
> > > No need to change it (and you aren't, since it is currently
> > > implemented
> > as a function).
> >
> > I think there is a need to change this.  Encoding the transport into
> > the node type is not a good idea.  Having different "transport
> > semantics" while still returning the same transport for the port is
> > confusing.
> >
> > The only thing which is clear currently is Link Layer.
> >
> > But the use of "Link Layer" in the code is so convoluted that it is
> > very confusing.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> One could implement software iWarp or IBoUDP (RoCEv2) protocols that
> could run over any link layer and interoperate with existing HW solutions.
> The stack shouldn't be dealing with the link level at all, with the exception of
> user space compatibility.
> 
> > Define Transport?  There has been a lot of discussion over what a
> > transport is in Verbs.
> 
> IMO, we should replace using the word 'transport' with just 'rdma_protocol'.
> And even then I'm not convinced that anything should care, beyond user
> space compatibility.  The caps are what matter.
> 
> - Sean

I completely agree.
If we ever see a need for representing a set or subset of cross-layer protocols (at any level, L2-L4, various encapsulations), we will add the proper management helpers.
For example:
- rdma_protocol_roce() /* both v1 and v2 */
- rdma_protocol_roce_v1()
- rdma_protocol_roce_v2()
- rdma_protocol_usnic()
- rdma_protocol_usnic_udp()

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Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-20  8:28 [PATCH v5 00/27] IB/Verbs: IB Management Helpers Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:28 ` Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:32 ` [PATCH v5 01/27] IB/Verbs: Implement new callback query_transport() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:04   ` ira.weiny
     [not found]   ` <5534B981.1030302-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22 15:02     ` Doug Ledford
2015-04-22 15:02       ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]       ` <1429714975.45956.113.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22 15:21         ` Devesh Sharma
2015-04-22 15:21           ` Devesh Sharma
     [not found]           ` <EE7902D3F51F404C82415C4803930ACD5DC446F3-DWYeeINJQrxExQ8dmkPuX0M9+F4ksjoh@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22 16:22             ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22 16:22               ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22 16:42           ` Doug Ledford
2015-04-23  7:13         ` Michael Wang
2015-04-23  7:13           ` Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:33 ` [PATCH v5 03/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-core mad/agent/user_mad Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:05   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:34 ` [PATCH v5 05/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-core sa_query Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:05   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:35 ` [PATCH v5 07/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-ulp ipoib Michael Wang
     [not found]   ` <5534BA43.6060400-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22  0:06     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  0:06       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:35 ` [PATCH v5 08/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-ulp xprtrdma Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:06   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:37 ` [PATCH v5 12/27] IB/Verbs: Reform mcast related part in IB-core cma Michael Wang
     [not found]   ` <5534BACF.3080700-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22  0:07     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  0:07       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:38 ` [PATCH v5 14/27] IB/Verbs: Reform cma_acquire_dev() Michael Wang
     [not found]   ` <5534BAFF.5030107-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-21  6:15     ` Devesh Sharma
2015-04-21  6:15       ` Devesh Sharma
2015-04-21  8:08       ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:08     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  0:08       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:39 ` [PATCH v5 16/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_ib_mad() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:09   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:40 ` [PATCH v5 18/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_ib_cm() Michael Wang
     [not found]   ` <5534BB64.10402-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22  0:09     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  0:09       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:40 ` [PATCH v5 19/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_iw_cm() Michael Wang
     [not found]   ` <5534BB7B.4020601-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-20 14:00     ` Steve Wise
2015-04-20 14:00       ` Steve Wise
2015-04-20 15:16       ` Michael Wang
2015-04-20 15:51         ` Tom Tucker
     [not found]           ` <5535209E.3020807-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-20 16:19             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-04-20 16:19               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]               ` <20150420161927.GB7676-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-20 16:39                 ` Tom Tucker
2015-04-20 16:39                   ` Tom Tucker
2015-04-21  7:39             ` Michael Wang
2015-04-21  7:39               ` Michael Wang
     [not found]               ` <5535FE9F.8070809-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-21 15:06                 ` Tom Tucker
2015-04-21 15:06                   ` Tom Tucker
2015-04-22  0:10   ` ira.weiny
     [not found] ` <5534B8C9.506-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-20  8:32   ` [PATCH v5 02/27] IB/Verbs: Implement raw management helpers Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:32     ` Michael Wang
     [not found]     ` <5534B9A0.9010303-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22  0:05       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  0:05         ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:33   ` [PATCH v5 04/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-core cm Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:33     ` Michael Wang
     [not found]     ` <5534B9E9.1020108-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-20 17:04       ` Hal Rosenstock
2015-04-20 17:04         ` Hal Rosenstock
2015-04-21  7:42         ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:05     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:34   ` [PATCH v5 06/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-core multicast Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:34     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:06     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:36   ` [PATCH v5 09/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-core verbs/uverbs_cmd/sysfs Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:36     ` Michael Wang
     [not found]     ` <5534BA7C.2010600-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-21 23:19       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-21 23:19         ` ira.weiny
     [not found]         ` <20150421231958.GA15893-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22  7:38           ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  7:38             ` Michael Wang
     [not found]             ` <55375011.7010805-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22 16:28               ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22 16:28                 ` ira.weiny
2015-04-23  9:25                 ` Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:36   ` [PATCH v5 10/27] IB/Verbs: Reform cm related part in IB-core cma/ucm Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:36     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:07     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:37   ` [PATCH v5 11/27] IB/Verbs: Reform route related part in IB-core cma Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:37     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:07     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:38   ` [PATCH v5 13/27] IB/Verbs: Reserve legacy transport type in 'dev_addr' Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:38     ` Michael Wang
     [not found]     ` <5534BAE8.9010805-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-21  5:58       ` Devesh Sharma
2015-04-21  5:58         ` Devesh Sharma
     [not found]         ` <EE7902D3F51F404C82415C4803930ACD5DC44144-DWYeeINJQrxExQ8dmkPuX0M9+F4ksjoh@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-21  8:05           ` Michael Wang
2015-04-21  8:05             ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:08       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  0:08         ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:38   ` [PATCH v5 15/27] IB/Verbs: Reform rest part in IB-core cma Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:38     ` Michael Wang
     [not found]     ` <5534BB19.9000003-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22  0:08       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  0:08         ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:39   ` [PATCH v5 17/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_ib_smi() Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:39     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:09     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:40   ` [PATCH v5 20/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_ib_sa() Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:40     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:10     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:41   ` [PATCH v5 21/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_ib_mcast() Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:41     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:10     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:41   ` [PATCH v5 22/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_ipoib() Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:41     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:11     ` ira.weiny
     [not found]     ` <5534BBC2.4010902-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22  5:40       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-04-22  5:40         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20150422054058.GB29609-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22  8:49           ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  8:49             ` Michael Wang
     [not found]             ` <553760A8.2090802-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22 16:45               ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22 16:45                 ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22 16:54                 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-04-23  9:31                 ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22 17:24               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-04-22 17:24                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150422172455.GF19500-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-23  7:53                   ` Michael Wang
2015-04-23  7:53                     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:42   ` [PATCH v5 24/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_af_ib() Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:42     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:11     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:43   ` [PATCH v5 26/27] IB/Verbs: Clean up rdma_ib_or_iboe() Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:43     ` Michael Wang
     [not found]     ` <5534BC2E.40307-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22  0:12       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  0:12         ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:43   ` [PATCH v5 27/27] IB/Verbs: Cleanup rdma_node_get_transport() Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:43     ` Michael Wang
     [not found]     ` <5534BC47.6080706-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22  0:13       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  0:13         ` ira.weiny
2015-04-21 23:36   ` [PATCH v5 00/27] IB/Verbs: IB Management Helpers Liran Liss
2015-04-21 23:36     ` Liran Liss
     [not found]     ` <DB4PR05MB0863E9CCCD1BEA34F244EE2CB1EF0-xsq7jzH2t6llkovD9u25SNqRiQSDpxhJvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22  2:41       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  2:41         ` ira.weiny
     [not found]         ` <20150422024123.GA18675-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22  8:32           ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  8:32             ` Michael Wang
     [not found]         ` <DB4PR05MB086335365371E756B789FE84B1EE0@DB4PR05MB0863.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>
2015-04-22 16:40           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <DB4PR05MB08633B2B2E3BA32752EE8098B1EC0@DB4PR05MB0863.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>
     [not found]               ` <DB4PR05MB08633B2B2E3BA32752EE8098B1EC0-xsq7jzH2t6llkovD9u25SNqRiQSDpxhJvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-24 16:42                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-04-24 16:42                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                   ` <20150424164226.GB9305-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-27 19:10                     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-27 19:10                       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22 16:40         ` Hefty, Sean
2015-04-22 16:40           ` Hefty, Sean
2015-04-24 14:49           ` Liran Liss [this message]
2015-04-24 14:49             ` Liran Liss
2015-04-22 14:59       ` Doug Ledford
2015-04-22 14:59         ` Doug Ledford
2015-04-22 16:57         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-04-23  8:36           ` Michael Wang
     [not found]         ` <1429714792.45956.110.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-22 17:10           ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22 17:10             ` ira.weiny
2015-04-23  9:36             ` Michael Wang
     [not found]             ` <DB4PR05MB08630282DEFFFB181A525B67B1EC0@DB4PR05MB0863.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>
     [not found]               ` <DB4PR05MB08630282DEFFFB181A525B67B1EC0-xsq7jzH2t6llkovD9u25SNqRiQSDpxhJvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-27 20:58                 ` ira.weiny
2015-04-27 20:58                   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22 16:46       ` Dave Goodell (dgoodell)
2015-04-22 16:46         ` Dave Goodell (dgoodell)
2015-04-22  8:30     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22 16:16       ` Liran Liss
2015-04-22 16:16         ` Liran Liss
2015-04-23  7:33         ` Michael Wang
     [not found]           ` <5538A034.4030904-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-24 14:44             ` Liran Liss
2015-04-24 14:44               ` Liran Liss
     [not found]               ` <DB4PR05MB08635737AF7A40F3F82B7628B1EC0-xsq7jzH2t6llkovD9u25SNqRiQSDpxhJvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-24 15:07                 ` Michael Wang
2015-04-24 15:07                   ` Michael Wang
2015-04-27 19:22               ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:42 ` [PATCH v5 23/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_read_multi_sge() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:11   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:43 ` [PATCH v5 25/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_eth_ah() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:11   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-21  5:41 ` [PATCH v5 00/27] IB/Verbs: IB Management Helpers Devesh Sharma
2015-04-21  5:41   ` Devesh Sharma
     [not found]   ` <EE7902D3F51F404C82415C4803930ACD5DC44113-DWYeeINJQrxExQ8dmkPuX0M9+F4ksjoh@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-21  7:46     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-21  7:46       ` Michael Wang
2015-04-21 11:03       ` Devesh Sharma
2015-04-21 11:03         ` Devesh Sharma
2015-04-21 15:56         ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:28 ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  7:44   ` Michael Wang

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