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From: Iwo Mergler <Iwo.Mergler@netcommwireless.com>
To: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>
Cc: "Jeff Lauruhn \(jlauruhn\)" <jlauruhn@micron.com>,
	"dedekind1@gmail.com" <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Andrea Scian <rnd4@dave-tech.it>,
	"linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org" <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	Andrea Marson <andrea.marson@dave.eu>
Subject: RE: RFC: detect and manage power cut on MLC NAND
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:45:33 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <EACD232272DA4849B060F0828564D13B57804E26D9@ntcex01.corp.netcomm.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150320092611.2648f3d5@bbrezillon>

On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:26:11 +1100
Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com> wrote:

> I've read many times that MLC pages should be programmed in ascending
> order (0, 1, 2, 3, ..., N), and if you take a look at MLC datasheet
> you'll see that paired pages are not contiguous (here is an example
> [1], page 55-56 describe how pages are paired together).
> 
> My question is: is there a reason for interleaving paired pages with
> other pages (write disturbance mitigation ?) ?
> 
> If there is no specific reason but to annoy software developers :-),


I don't know for sure, but it seems that groups of pages are sharing
some resources. For instance, I've seen a few bit error patterns which
looked like this (256MB SLC, pages in one block):

-------------------------------X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X

The pages marked with 'X' have a single bit error at the same bit
offset in every page.

That is, even on a SLC device, there is some sort of page interleaving
pattern at work. In this case, maybe they share a broken sense amplifier
or similar.

I currently think that the rule about the ascending order is a
generalisation for unknown NAND architecture. In my example, it
may well be slightly better to write (0,2,4,6,8,10,12,14,1,3,5,
7,9,11,13,15,16,18,20,22,24,26,28,30,17,19,21,23,25,27,29,31).

Unless someone tells me otherwise, I guess that the paired pages
probably should be written in sequence anyway (0,4,1,5,etc).
Some of the backup methods appear suggestive of this.


Best regards,

Iwo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-22 23:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-10 11:57 RFC: detect and manage power cut on MLC NAND Andrea Scian
2015-03-10 12:51 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-11  7:20   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2015-03-11  8:57     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-11  9:05       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2015-03-11  9:09         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-11 17:01           ` Andrea Scian
2015-03-11 17:23             ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-11 17:29               ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-11 21:16                 ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-12 10:28                   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-12 22:57                     ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-13 20:31                       ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-13 23:51                         ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-14  9:46                           ` Andrea Marson - DAVE Embedded Systems
2015-03-16 16:02                             ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-17  8:00                               ` Andrea Scian
2015-03-14 10:32                           ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-16 21:11                             ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-17  9:30                               ` Andrea Scian
2015-03-17 10:02                                 ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-17 16:42                                   ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-18  8:45                                     ` RFC: detect and manage power cut on MLC NAND (linux-mtd Digest, Vol 144, Issue 70) Andrea Marson
2015-03-18  9:07                                       ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-18  9:56                                         ` Andrea Marson
2015-03-18 10:03                                           ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-18 12:07                                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-18 17:11                                           ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-18 16:12                                       ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-19  8:47                                         ` RFC: detect and manage power cut on MLC NAND Andrea Marson
2015-03-19  9:12                                           ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-19 17:45                                             ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-20  0:25                                             ` Iwo Mergler
2015-03-20  3:38                                               ` nick
2015-03-20  5:40                                                 ` Iwo Mergler
2015-03-20  8:26                                               ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-20 17:15                                                 ` Nick Krause
2015-03-22 23:45                                                 ` Iwo Mergler [this message]
2015-03-23  2:18                                                 ` Iwo Mergler
2015-03-23  7:06                                                   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2015-03-23 19:05                                                     ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-24  7:05                                                       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2015-03-19 18:00                                           ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-20  8:07                                             ` Andrea Marson
2015-03-17 17:04                                 ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-16  9:01                         ` Ricard Wanderlof
2015-03-16 17:27                           ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-14 10:03                       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-12  9:32               ` Ricard Wanderlof
2015-03-23  4:08           ` Iwo Mergler
2015-03-23 21:15             ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-24  1:17               ` Iwo Mergler
2015-03-24 16:50                 ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-25  3:38                   ` Iwo Mergler
2015-03-25  8:33                     ` Ricard Wanderlof
2015-03-26  1:57                       ` Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)
2015-03-26  8:55                         ` Ricard Wanderlof
2015-03-11  7:21 ` Artem Bityutskiy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-03-12 10:31 Andrea Marson - DAVE Embedded Systems
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