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From: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Cc: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	Dave McCracken <dmccr@us.ibm.com>,
	Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Optimize out pte_chain take three
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:05:46 -0300 (BRT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0207111703080.14432-100000@imladris.surriel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D2DE264.17706BB4@zip.com.au>

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Andrew Morton wrote:

> Rik thought these are pagecache and swap thrashers, but that's not
> the intent.  Think of the file as program text and the malloced
> memory as, well, malloced memory.
>
> The problem is the access pattern.  It shouldn't be random-uniform.
> But what should it be?  random-gaussian?

> Does this not capture what the VM is supposed to do?

Indeed. This sounds like a much much better test.


> useful pagecache and swapping everything out.  Our kernels have
> O_STREAMING because of this.   It simply removes as much pagecache
> as it can, each time ->nrpages reaches 256.  It's rather effective.

Now why does that remind me of drop-behind ? ;)


> I installed 2.5.25+rmap on my desktop yesterday.  Come in this morning
> to discover half of memory is inodes, quarter of memory is dentries and
> I'm 40 megs into swap.  Sigh.

As requested by Linus, this patch only has the mechanism
and none of the balancing changes.

I suspect Ed Tomlinson's patch will fix this issue.


> The `working set simulator' could provide the memory hog function.
> The victim application perhaps doesn't need to be anything as
> fancy on day one.  Maybe just a kernel compile or such?

Or maybe the interactive performance measurement thing by
Bob Matthews ?

	http://people.redhat.com/bmatthews/irman/ (IIRC)

> I'll do the working set simulator.  That'll give you guys something
> to crunch on.  Is gaussian reasonable?

Sounds ok to me.

kind regards,

Rik
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-11 20:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-09 19:04 [PATCH] Optimize out pte_chain take two Dave McCracken
2002-07-10  0:21 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-10 14:33   ` [PATCH] Optimize out pte_chain take three Dave McCracken
2002-07-10 15:18     ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-10 17:32       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-10 20:01         ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-10 20:14           ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-10 20:28             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-10 20:38               ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-13 13:42                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-10 20:33             ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-10 22:22           ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-11  0:39             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-11  0:47               ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-11  1:27                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-13 14:10                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-11  1:51               ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-11  2:28                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-11 19:54                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-11 20:05                   ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2002-07-11 20:42                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-11 20:54                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-11 21:16                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-11 21:41                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-11 22:38                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-11 23:18                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-12 18:27                                 ` Paul Larson
2002-07-12 19:06                                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-12 19:28                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-13 15:08                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-11 22:54                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-13 14:52                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-13 14:08               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-13 14:20               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-13 14:45             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-13 13:22           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-13 13:30             ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-13 13:55               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-13 13:41           ` Daniel Phillips

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