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From: Alan Stern <stern-nwvwT67g6+6dFdvTe/nMLpVzexx5G7lz@public.gmane.org>
To: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Tony Prisk <linux-ci5G2KO2hbZ+pU9mqzGVBQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Greg KH
	<gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
	linux-usb-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Florian Fainelli
	<florian-p3rKhJxN3npAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Grant Likely
	<grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] USB: doc: Binding document for ehci-platform driver
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:10:46 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210231004310.1635-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5085C470.4040707-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012, Stephen Warren wrote:

> > I see.  But why would it be done this way instead having a separate 
> > property?
> 
> Well, I did say normally:-)
> 
> I can certainly see an argument for representing these differences using
> custom properties, rather than deriving the information from the
> compatible value. It's probably be OK to do so for something generic
> like this; it's just perhaps not always the default choice.
> 
> Do note that even though this binding document dictates a particular
> value for the compatible property, every device tree should additionally
> add a separate value alongside it to indicate the specific HW model
> that's actually present, so that if some device-specific bug-fix or
> workaround needs to be applied, the model can be identified anyway.
> 
> So, rather than:
> 
> compatible = "usb-ehci";
> 
> You should always have e.g.:
> 
> compatible = "nvidia,tegra20-ehci", "usb-ehci";
> 
> Given that, there is then always enough information in the device tree
> for the driver to be able to derive the other values from the compatible
> value.

Yes, I get it.

> Whether you want to derive the information, or whether you want to
> explicitly represent it via properties, is a decision to make based on
> the trade-offs.
> 
> Oh, and I note that quite a few device trees already use compatible
> value "usb-ehci" in their device-trees. Care needs to be taken not to
> usurp that value from any existing device drivers if that was to be
> picked as the compatible value required by this binding.

Right.  I think Tony's new binding should use compatible value 
"usb-ehci-platform".  It will essentially be a superset of "usb-ehci".

> > And doesn't the same reasoning apply to has-tt?  Doesn't that mean the 
> > driver would have to match four different hardware types?  What happens 
> > if a third characteristic like these comes around; would the driver 
> > then have to check against eight different types?
> 
> No, the compatible value represents the model, so you'd have a table like:
> 
> compatible          -> bugX has_tt
> nvidia,tegra20-ehci -> 0    1
> vendor1,foo-ehci    -> 0    1
> vendor2,bar-ehci    -> 1    1
> vendor3,baz-ehci    -> 0    1
> vendor4,qux-ehci    -> 0    1
> ...
> 
> So the table size isn't related to the number of options. The table size
> is probably bigger than subset of options combinations that make sense.

Under the circumstances, and considering that usb-ehci-platform will be
rather generic, IMO it will be better to make has-tt,
has-synopsys-hc-bug, and no-io-watchdog separate properties, each
naturally defaulting to "not present".  That will avoid the need to 
update the driver's table each time a new board comes along.

Alan Stern

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From: stern@rowland.harvard.edu (Alan Stern)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 2/2] USB: doc: Binding document for ehci-platform driver
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:10:46 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210231004310.1635-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5085C470.4040707@wwwdotorg.org>

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012, Stephen Warren wrote:

> > I see.  But why would it be done this way instead having a separate 
> > property?
> 
> Well, I did say normally:-)
> 
> I can certainly see an argument for representing these differences using
> custom properties, rather than deriving the information from the
> compatible value. It's probably be OK to do so for something generic
> like this; it's just perhaps not always the default choice.
> 
> Do note that even though this binding document dictates a particular
> value for the compatible property, every device tree should additionally
> add a separate value alongside it to indicate the specific HW model
> that's actually present, so that if some device-specific bug-fix or
> workaround needs to be applied, the model can be identified anyway.
> 
> So, rather than:
> 
> compatible = "usb-ehci";
> 
> You should always have e.g.:
> 
> compatible = "nvidia,tegra20-ehci", "usb-ehci";
> 
> Given that, there is then always enough information in the device tree
> for the driver to be able to derive the other values from the compatible
> value.

Yes, I get it.

> Whether you want to derive the information, or whether you want to
> explicitly represent it via properties, is a decision to make based on
> the trade-offs.
> 
> Oh, and I note that quite a few device trees already use compatible
> value "usb-ehci" in their device-trees. Care needs to be taken not to
> usurp that value from any existing device drivers if that was to be
> picked as the compatible value required by this binding.

Right.  I think Tony's new binding should use compatible value 
"usb-ehci-platform".  It will essentially be a superset of "usb-ehci".

> > And doesn't the same reasoning apply to has-tt?  Doesn't that mean the 
> > driver would have to match four different hardware types?  What happens 
> > if a third characteristic like these comes around; would the driver 
> > then have to check against eight different types?
> 
> No, the compatible value represents the model, so you'd have a table like:
> 
> compatible          -> bugX has_tt
> nvidia,tegra20-ehci -> 0    1
> vendor1,foo-ehci    -> 0    1
> vendor2,bar-ehci    -> 1    1
> vendor3,baz-ehci    -> 0    1
> vendor4,qux-ehci    -> 0    1
> ...
> 
> So the table size isn't related to the number of options. The table size
> is probably bigger than subset of options combinations that make sense.

Under the circumstances, and considering that usb-ehci-platform will be
rather generic, IMO it will be better to make has-tt,
has-synopsys-hc-bug, and no-io-watchdog separate properties, each
naturally defaulting to "not present".  That will avoid the need to 
update the driver's table each time a new board comes along.

Alan Stern

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-23 14:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-20 22:10 [PATCH v2 0/2] Update ehci-platform driver to support devicetree Tony Prisk
2012-10-20 22:10 ` Tony Prisk
     [not found] ` <1350771032-11527-1-git-send-email-linux-ci5G2KO2hbZ+pU9mqzGVBQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-20 22:10   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] USB: Update EHCI-platform driver to devicetree Tony Prisk
2012-10-20 22:10     ` Tony Prisk
     [not found]     ` <1350771032-11527-2-git-send-email-linux-ci5G2KO2hbZ+pU9mqzGVBQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-21  2:02       ` Alan Stern
2012-10-21  2:02         ` Alan Stern
2012-10-22 14:51       ` Alan Stern
2012-10-20 22:10   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] USB: doc: Binding document for ehci-platform driver Tony Prisk
2012-10-20 22:10     ` Tony Prisk
     [not found]     ` <1350771032-11527-3-git-send-email-linux-ci5G2KO2hbZ+pU9mqzGVBQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-21 17:34       ` Florian Fainelli
2012-10-21 17:34         ` Florian Fainelli
2012-10-22 16:07       ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-22 16:07         ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]         ` <50856F41.7000205-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-22 17:34           ` Alan Stern
2012-10-22 17:34             ` Alan Stern
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210221324580.1724-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-22 17:48               ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-22 17:48                 ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                 ` <508586ED.1010106-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-22 19:00                   ` Alan Stern
2012-10-22 19:00                     ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210221443580.1724-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-22 22:10                       ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-22 22:10                         ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                         ` <5085C470.4040707-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-23 14:10                           ` Alan Stern [this message]
2012-10-23 14:10                             ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210231004310.1635-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-23 16:15                               ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-23 16:15                                 ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                 ` <5086C2B0.6070006-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-23 17:59                                   ` Alan Stern
2012-10-23 17:59                                     ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210231340340.1635-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-23 18:47                                       ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-23 18:47                                         ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                         ` <5086E62D.8040407-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-23 19:33                                           ` Alan Stern
2012-10-23 19:33                                             ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210231522230.1635-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-23 20:06                                               ` Rob Herring
2012-10-23 20:06                                                 ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                                                 ` <5086F8D6.5050605-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 14:57                                                   ` Alan Stern
2012-10-24 14:57                                                     ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210241013310.1481-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 15:26                                                       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2012-10-24 15:26                                                         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
     [not found]                                                         ` <20121024152652.GG4368-E0PNVn5OA6ohrxcnuTQ+TQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 16:16                                                           ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-24 16:16                                                             ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                                             ` <5088145F.1040504-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 16:36                                                               ` Florian Fainelli
2012-10-24 16:36                                                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2012-10-24 16:38                                                               ` Alan Stern
2012-10-24 16:38                                                                 ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                                                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210241233040.1282-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 16:44                                                                   ` Florian Fainelli
2012-10-24 16:44                                                                     ` Florian Fainelli
2012-10-24 18:04                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2012-10-24 18:04                                                                       ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                                                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210241358090.1282-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 18:18                                                                         ` Florian Fainelli
2012-10-24 18:18                                                                           ` Florian Fainelli
2012-10-24 16:45                                                                   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-24 16:45                                                                     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                                                     ` <50881B19.3080609-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 17:46                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-10-24 17:46                                                                         ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                                                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210241329230.1282-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 18:09                                                                           ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-24 18:09                                                                             ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                                                             ` <50882EED.9020200-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 18:55                                                                               ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-24 18:55                                                                                 ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <5088399F.2000102-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 19:30                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2012-10-24 19:30                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2012-10-25 10:23                                                                                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2012-10-25 10:23                                                                                     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20121025102301.GA3469-E0PNVn5OA6ohrxcnuTQ+TQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-25 14:36                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-10-25 14:36                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210251035270.1278-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-26  8:02                                                                                           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2012-10-26  8:02                                                                                             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <20121026080254.GD3009-E0PNVn5OA6ohrxcnuTQ+TQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-26 14:54                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2012-10-26 14:54                                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2012-10-25 15:53                                                                                       ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-25 15:53                                                                                         ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-24 19:41                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2012-10-24 19:41                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2012-10-24 16:44                                                               ` Alan Stern
2012-10-24 16:44                                                                 ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                                                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210241238570.1282-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 16:48                                                                   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-24 16:48                                                                     ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-24 17:42                                                                   ` Rob Herring
2012-10-24 17:42                                                                     ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                                                                     ` <50882882.1090806-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 17:57                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-10-24 17:57                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2012-10-24 16:28                                                       ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-24 16:28                                                         ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                                         ` <50881727.10601-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 16:54                                                           ` Alan Stern
2012-10-24 16:54                                                             ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1210241249010.1282-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24 17:37                                                               ` Florian Fainelli
2012-10-24 17:37                                                                 ` Florian Fainelli

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