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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: David Goldblatt <davidtgoldblatt@gmail.com>,
	<mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>, <triegel@redhat.com>,
	<libc-alpha@sourceware.org>, <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>,
	<will.deacon@arm.com>, <peterz@infradead.org>,
	<boqun.feng@gmail.com>, <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	<dhowells@redhat.com>, <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
	<luc.maranget@inria.fr>, <akiyks@gmail.com>, <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
	<linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Linux: Implement membarrier function
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:32:50 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1812121604430.1543-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181212194225.GB4170@linux.ibm.com>

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018, Paul E. McKenney wrote:

> OK.  How about this one?
> 
>          P0      P1                 P2      P3
>          Wa=2    rcu_read_lock()    Wc=2    Wd=2
>          memb    Wb=2               Rd=0    synchronize_rcu();
>          Rb=0    Rc=0                       Ra=0
> 	         rcu_read_unlock()
> 
> The model should say that it is allowed.  Taking a look...
> 
>          P0      P1                 P2      P3
> 				    Rd=0
> 					    Wd=2
> 					    synchronize_rcu();
> 	                                    Ra=0
> 	 Wa=2
> 	 membs
> 	         rcu_read_lock()
> 		 [m01]
> 		 Rc=0
> 		 		    Wc=2
> 				    [m02]   [m03]
> 	 membe
> 	 Rb=0
> 	         Wb=2
> 		 rcu_read_unlock()
> 
> Looks allowed to me.  If the synchronization of P1 and P2 were
> interchanged, it should be forbidden:
> 
>          P0      P1      P2                 P3
>          Wa=2    Wb=2    rcu_read_lock()    Wd=2
>          memb    Rc=0    Wc=2               synchronize_rcu();
>          Rb=0            Rd=0               Ra=0
>                          rcu_read_unlock()
> 
> Taking a look...
> 
>          P0      P1      P2                 P3
>                          rcu_read_lock()
>                          Rd=0
>          Wa=2    Wb=2                       Wd=2
>          membs                              synchronize_rcu();
>                  [m01]
>                  Rc=0
>                          Wc=2
>                          rcu_read_unlock()
> 			 [m02]              Ra=0 [Forbidden?]
> 	 membe
>          Rb=0

Have you tried writing these as real litmus tests and running them 
through herd?

> I believe that this ordering forbids the cycle:
> 
> 	Wa=1 > membs -> [m01] -> Rc=0 -> Wc=2 -> rcu_read_unlock() ->
> 		return from synchronize_rcu() -> Ra
> 
> Does this make sense, or am I missing something?

It's hard to tell.  What you have written here isn't justified by the
litmus test source code, since the position of m01 in P1's program
order is undetermined.  How do you justify m01 -> Rc, for example?

Write it this way instead, using the relations defined in the 
sys_membarrier patch for linux-kernel.cat:

	memb ->memb-gp memb ->rcu-link Rc ->memb-rscsi Rc ->rcu-link
		
		rcu_read_unlock ->rcu-rscsi rcu_read_lock ->rcu-link 

		synchronize_rcu ->rcu-gp synchronize_rcu ->rcu-link memb

Recall that:

	memb-gp is the identity relation on sys_membarrier events,

	rcu-link includes (po? ; fre ; po),

	memb-rscsi is the identity relation on all events,

	rcu-rscsi links unlocks to their corresponding locks, and

	rcu-gp is the identity relation on synchronize_rcu events.

These facts justify the cycle above.

Leaving off the final rcu-link step, the sequence matches the
definition of rcu-fence (the relations are memb-gp, memb-rscsi, 
rcu-rscsi, rcu-gp with rcu-links in between).  Therefore the cycle is 
forbidden.

Alan


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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: David Goldblatt <davidtgoldblatt@gmail.com>,
	mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	triegel@redhat.com, libc-alpha@sourceware.org,
	andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com, will.deacon@arm.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, boqun.feng@gmail.com, npiggin@gmail.com,
	dhowells@redhat.com, j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk, luc.maranget@inria.fr,
	akiyks@gmail.com, dlustig@nvidia.com, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Linux: Implement membarrier function
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:32:50 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1812121604430.1543-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181212194225.GB4170@linux.ibm.com>

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018, Paul E. McKenney wrote:

> OK.  How about this one?
> 
>          P0      P1                 P2      P3
>          Wa=2    rcu_read_lock()    Wc=2    Wd=2
>          memb    Wb=2               Rd=0    synchronize_rcu();
>          Rb=0    Rc=0                       Ra=0
> 	         rcu_read_unlock()
> 
> The model should say that it is allowed.  Taking a look...
> 
>          P0      P1                 P2      P3
> 				    Rd=0
> 					    Wd=2
> 					    synchronize_rcu();
> 	                                    Ra=0
> 	 Wa=2
> 	 membs
> 	         rcu_read_lock()
> 		 [m01]
> 		 Rc=0
> 		 		    Wc=2
> 				    [m02]   [m03]
> 	 membe
> 	 Rb=0
> 	         Wb=2
> 		 rcu_read_unlock()
> 
> Looks allowed to me.  If the synchronization of P1 and P2 were
> interchanged, it should be forbidden:
> 
>          P0      P1      P2                 P3
>          Wa=2    Wb=2    rcu_read_lock()    Wd=2
>          memb    Rc=0    Wc=2               synchronize_rcu();
>          Rb=0            Rd=0               Ra=0
>                          rcu_read_unlock()
> 
> Taking a look...
> 
>          P0      P1      P2                 P3
>                          rcu_read_lock()
>                          Rd=0
>          Wa=2    Wb=2                       Wd=2
>          membs                              synchronize_rcu();
>                  [m01]
>                  Rc=0
>                          Wc=2
>                          rcu_read_unlock()
> 			 [m02]              Ra=0 [Forbidden?]
> 	 membe
>          Rb=0

Have you tried writing these as real litmus tests and running them 
through herd?

> I believe that this ordering forbids the cycle:
> 
> 	Wa=1 > membs -> [m01] -> Rc=0 -> Wc=2 -> rcu_read_unlock() ->
> 		return from synchronize_rcu() -> Ra
> 
> Does this make sense, or am I missing something?

It's hard to tell.  What you have written here isn't justified by the
litmus test source code, since the position of m01 in P1's program
order is undetermined.  How do you justify m01 -> Rc, for example?

Write it this way instead, using the relations defined in the 
sys_membarrier patch for linux-kernel.cat:

	memb ->memb-gp memb ->rcu-link Rc ->memb-rscsi Rc ->rcu-link
		
		rcu_read_unlock ->rcu-rscsi rcu_read_lock ->rcu-link 

		synchronize_rcu ->rcu-gp synchronize_rcu ->rcu-link memb

Recall that:

	memb-gp is the identity relation on sys_membarrier events,

	rcu-link includes (po? ; fre ; po),

	memb-rscsi is the identity relation on all events,

	rcu-rscsi links unlocks to their corresponding locks, and

	rcu-gp is the identity relation on synchronize_rcu events.

These facts justify the cycle above.

Leaving off the final rcu-link step, the sequence matches the
definition of rcu-fence (the relations are memb-gp, memb-rscsi, 
rcu-rscsi, rcu-gp with rcu-links in between).  Therefore the cycle is 
forbidden.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-12 21:32 UTC|newest]

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2018-12-06 21:54           ` [PATCH] Linux: Implement membarrier function Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-10 16:22             ` Alan Stern
2018-12-10 16:22               ` Alan Stern
2018-12-10 18:25               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-11 16:21                 ` Alan Stern
2018-12-11 16:21                   ` Alan Stern
2018-12-11 19:08                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-11 20:09                     ` Alan Stern
2018-12-11 20:09                       ` Alan Stern
2018-12-11 21:22                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-12 17:07                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-12 18:04                           ` Alan Stern
2018-12-12 18:04                             ` Alan Stern
2018-12-12 19:42                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-12 21:32                               ` Alan Stern [this message]
2018-12-12 21:32                                 ` Alan Stern
2018-12-12 21:52                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-12 22:12                                   ` Alan Stern
2018-12-12 22:12                                     ` Alan Stern
2018-12-12 22:49                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-13 15:49                                       ` Alan Stern
2018-12-13 15:49                                         ` Alan Stern
2018-12-14  0:20                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-14  2:26                                           ` Alan Stern
2018-12-14  2:26                                             ` Alan Stern
2018-12-14  5:20                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-14 15:31                                           ` Alan Stern
2018-12-14 15:31                                             ` Alan Stern
2018-12-14 18:43                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-14 21:39                                               ` Alan Stern
2018-12-14 21:39                                                 ` Alan Stern
2018-12-16 18:51                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-17 16:02                                                   ` Alan Stern
2018-12-17 16:02                                                     ` Alan Stern
2018-12-17 18:32                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-12 22:19                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-11  6:42             ` David Goldblatt
2018-12-11 14:49               ` Paul E. McKenney

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