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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: David Goldblatt <davidtgoldblatt@gmail.com>,
	<mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>, <triegel@redhat.com>,
	<libc-alpha@sourceware.org>, <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>,
	<will.deacon@arm.com>, <peterz@infradead.org>,
	<boqun.feng@gmail.com>, <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	<dhowells@redhat.com>, <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
	<luc.maranget@inria.fr>, <akiyks@gmail.com>, <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
	<linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Linux: Implement membarrier function
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:12:18 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1812121710350.1543-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181212215245.GC4170@linux.ibm.com>

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018, Paul E. McKenney wrote:

> > > I believe that this ordering forbids the cycle:
> > > 
> > > 	Wa=1 > membs -> [m01] -> Rc=0 -> Wc=2 -> rcu_read_unlock() ->
> > > 		return from synchronize_rcu() -> Ra
> > > 
> > > Does this make sense, or am I missing something?
> > 
> > It's hard to tell.  What you have written here isn't justified by the
> > litmus test source code, since the position of m01 in P1's program
> > order is undetermined.  How do you justify m01 -> Rc, for example?
> 
> ... justifies Rc=0 following [m01].
> 
> > Write it this way instead, using the relations defined in the 
> > sys_membarrier patch for linux-kernel.cat:
> > 
> > 	memb ->memb-gp memb ->rcu-link Rc ->memb-rscsi Rc ->rcu-link
> > 		
> > 		rcu_read_unlock ->rcu-rscsi rcu_read_lock ->rcu-link 
> > 
> > 		synchronize_rcu ->rcu-gp synchronize_rcu ->rcu-link memb
> > 
> > Recall that:
> > 
> > 	memb-gp is the identity relation on sys_membarrier events,
> > 
> > 	rcu-link includes (po? ; fre ; po),
> > 
> > 	memb-rscsi is the identity relation on all events,
> > 
> > 	rcu-rscsi links unlocks to their corresponding locks, and
> > 
> > 	rcu-gp is the identity relation on synchronize_rcu events.
> > 
> > These facts justify the cycle above.
> > 
> > Leaving off the final rcu-link step, the sequence matches the
> > definition of rcu-fence (the relations are memb-gp, memb-rscsi, 
> > rcu-rscsi, rcu-gp with rcu-links in between).  Therefore the cycle is 
> > forbidden.
> 
> Understood, but that would be using the model to check the model.  ;-)

Well, what are you trying to accomplish?  Do you want to find an 
argument similar to the one I posted for the 6-CPU test to show that 
this test should be forbidden?

Alan


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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: David Goldblatt <davidtgoldblatt@gmail.com>,
	mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	triegel@redhat.com, libc-alpha@sourceware.org,
	andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com, will.deacon@arm.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, boqun.feng@gmail.com, npiggin@gmail.com,
	dhowells@redhat.com, j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk, luc.maranget@inria.fr,
	akiyks@gmail.com, dlustig@nvidia.com, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Linux: Implement membarrier function
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:12:18 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1812121710350.1543-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181212215245.GC4170@linux.ibm.com>

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018, Paul E. McKenney wrote:

> > > I believe that this ordering forbids the cycle:
> > > 
> > > 	Wa=1 > membs -> [m01] -> Rc=0 -> Wc=2 -> rcu_read_unlock() ->
> > > 		return from synchronize_rcu() -> Ra
> > > 
> > > Does this make sense, or am I missing something?
> > 
> > It's hard to tell.  What you have written here isn't justified by the
> > litmus test source code, since the position of m01 in P1's program
> > order is undetermined.  How do you justify m01 -> Rc, for example?
> 
> ... justifies Rc=0 following [m01].
> 
> > Write it this way instead, using the relations defined in the 
> > sys_membarrier patch for linux-kernel.cat:
> > 
> > 	memb ->memb-gp memb ->rcu-link Rc ->memb-rscsi Rc ->rcu-link
> > 		
> > 		rcu_read_unlock ->rcu-rscsi rcu_read_lock ->rcu-link 
> > 
> > 		synchronize_rcu ->rcu-gp synchronize_rcu ->rcu-link memb
> > 
> > Recall that:
> > 
> > 	memb-gp is the identity relation on sys_membarrier events,
> > 
> > 	rcu-link includes (po? ; fre ; po),
> > 
> > 	memb-rscsi is the identity relation on all events,
> > 
> > 	rcu-rscsi links unlocks to their corresponding locks, and
> > 
> > 	rcu-gp is the identity relation on synchronize_rcu events.
> > 
> > These facts justify the cycle above.
> > 
> > Leaving off the final rcu-link step, the sequence matches the
> > definition of rcu-fence (the relations are memb-gp, memb-rscsi, 
> > rcu-rscsi, rcu-gp with rcu-links in between).  Therefore the cycle is 
> > forbidden.
> 
> Understood, but that would be using the model to check the model.  ;-)

Well, what are you trying to accomplish?  Do you want to find an 
argument similar to the one I posted for the 6-CPU test to show that 
this test should be forbidden?

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-12 22:12 UTC|newest]

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2018-12-06 21:54           ` [PATCH] Linux: Implement membarrier function Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-10 16:22             ` Alan Stern
2018-12-10 16:22               ` Alan Stern
2018-12-10 18:25               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-11 16:21                 ` Alan Stern
2018-12-11 16:21                   ` Alan Stern
2018-12-11 19:08                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-11 20:09                     ` Alan Stern
2018-12-11 20:09                       ` Alan Stern
2018-12-11 21:22                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-12 17:07                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-12 18:04                           ` Alan Stern
2018-12-12 18:04                             ` Alan Stern
2018-12-12 19:42                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-12 21:32                               ` Alan Stern
2018-12-12 21:32                                 ` Alan Stern
2018-12-12 21:52                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-12 22:12                                   ` Alan Stern [this message]
2018-12-12 22:12                                     ` Alan Stern
2018-12-12 22:49                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-13 15:49                                       ` Alan Stern
2018-12-13 15:49                                         ` Alan Stern
2018-12-14  0:20                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-14  2:26                                           ` Alan Stern
2018-12-14  2:26                                             ` Alan Stern
2018-12-14  5:20                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-14 15:31                                           ` Alan Stern
2018-12-14 15:31                                             ` Alan Stern
2018-12-14 18:43                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-14 21:39                                               ` Alan Stern
2018-12-14 21:39                                                 ` Alan Stern
2018-12-16 18:51                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-17 16:02                                                   ` Alan Stern
2018-12-17 16:02                                                     ` Alan Stern
2018-12-17 18:32                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-12 22:19                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-12-11  6:42             ` David Goldblatt
2018-12-11 14:49               ` Paul E. McKenney

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