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From: Julia Lawall <julia@diku.dk>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: walter harms <wharms@bfs.de>, Vasiliy Kulikov <segooon@gmail.com>,
	Ryan Mallon <ryan@bluewatersys.com>,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
	Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@atmel.com>,
	Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD <plagnioj@jcrosoft.com>,
	Andrew Victor <linux@maxim.org.za>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] arch/arm/mach-at91/clock.c: Add missing IS_ERR test
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:31:55 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101251231060.12123@pc-004.diku.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110125112641.GG11507@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:18:40PM +0100, Julia Lawall wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, walter harms wrote:
> > > So these is a bug ? They should return -ENOENT ?
> > > 
> > > The interessting question is: what to do with an error ?
> > > 
> > > Obviously some architecture can live with NULL, so it is not an critical
> > > error. An the patch shows a code that is simply a return, not even the
> > > user is informed that something did not work as expected.
> > > 
> > > From that point of view i would like question if it is useful to have
> > > a "detailed" error instead of just returning NULL.
> > 
> > Somewhat unrelatedly, I often run into code where error handling code is 
> > needed, but not present, and the function returns void, so nothing is 
> > provided for propagating the error further.  I generally consider these 
> > cases to be beyond my expertise to fix...
> 
> That is a pain, but so is returning NULL in error conditions.  If you've
> got several layers of nesting, and every level returns NULL on error,
> it's an awful lot of debugging to find out _why_ a failure happened.
> 
> With error codes, it narrows down the number of places which could have
> returned that error code, and as error codes can be descriptive, it
> turns it into an "oh, I forgot about doing X" or "it's failing *there*"
> rather than a puzzle.
> 
> The only place where it really makes sense to return NULL is with memory
> allocators.  NULL is an accepted value for meaning "I couldn't allocate
> memory" as its not a useful pointer value.
> 
> The alternative is to have an API like:
> 
> 	struct clk *clk_get(int *error, ...)
> or
> 	int clk_get(struct clk **, ...)
> 
> but that then leads to _additional_ errors made by driver authors and by
> implementations - you can no longer guarantee that *error will always be
> initialized, and this is why the whole ERR_PTR/PTR_ERR/IS_ERR stuff was
> implemented.  The kernel used to have such things in it and they were
> buggy.

I agree that error codes are very useful.  The problem is rather how to 
propagate any sort of error indicator, whether ERR_PTR, NULL, an negative 
integer, etc.

julia

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Julia Lawall <julia@diku.dk>
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] arch/arm/mach-at91/clock.c: Add missing IS_ERR test
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:31:55 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101251231060.12123@pc-004.diku.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110125112641.GG11507@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:18:40PM +0100, Julia Lawall wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, walter harms wrote:
> > > So these is a bug ? They should return -ENOENT ?
> > > 
> > > The interessting question is: what to do with an error ?
> > > 
> > > Obviously some architecture can live with NULL, so it is not an critical
> > > error. An the patch shows a code that is simply a return, not even the
> > > user is informed that something did not work as expected.
> > > 
> > > From that point of view i would like question if it is useful to have
> > > a "detailed" error instead of just returning NULL.
> > 
> > Somewhat unrelatedly, I often run into code where error handling code is 
> > needed, but not present, and the function returns void, so nothing is 
> > provided for propagating the error further.  I generally consider these 
> > cases to be beyond my expertise to fix...
> 
> That is a pain, but so is returning NULL in error conditions.  If you've
> got several layers of nesting, and every level returns NULL on error,
> it's an awful lot of debugging to find out _why_ a failure happened.
> 
> With error codes, it narrows down the number of places which could have
> returned that error code, and as error codes can be descriptive, it
> turns it into an "oh, I forgot about doing X" or "it's failing *there*"
> rather than a puzzle.
> 
> The only place where it really makes sense to return NULL is with memory
> allocators.  NULL is an accepted value for meaning "I couldn't allocate
> memory" as its not a useful pointer value.
> 
> The alternative is to have an API like:
> 
> 	struct clk *clk_get(int *error, ...)
> or
> 	int clk_get(struct clk **, ...)
> 
> but that then leads to _additional_ errors made by driver authors and by
> implementations - you can no longer guarantee that *error will always be
> initialized, and this is why the whole ERR_PTR/PTR_ERR/IS_ERR stuff was
> implemented.  The kernel used to have such things in it and they were
> buggy.

I agree that error codes are very useful.  The problem is rather how to 
propagate any sort of error indicator, whether ERR_PTR, NULL, an negative 
integer, etc.

julia

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: julia@diku.dk (Julia Lawall)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 2/4] arch/arm/mach-at91/clock.c: Add missing IS_ERR test
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:31:55 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101251231060.12123@pc-004.diku.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110125112641.GG11507@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:18:40PM +0100, Julia Lawall wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, walter harms wrote:
> > > So these is a bug ? They should return -ENOENT ?
> > > 
> > > The interessting question is: what to do with an error ?
> > > 
> > > Obviously some architecture can live with NULL, so it is not an critical
> > > error. An the patch shows a code that is simply a return, not even the
> > > user is informed that something did not work as expected.
> > > 
> > > From that point of view i would like question if it is useful to have
> > > a "detailed" error instead of just returning NULL.
> > 
> > Somewhat unrelatedly, I often run into code where error handling code is 
> > needed, but not present, and the function returns void, so nothing is 
> > provided for propagating the error further.  I generally consider these 
> > cases to be beyond my expertise to fix...
> 
> That is a pain, but so is returning NULL in error conditions.  If you've
> got several layers of nesting, and every level returns NULL on error,
> it's an awful lot of debugging to find out _why_ a failure happened.
> 
> With error codes, it narrows down the number of places which could have
> returned that error code, and as error codes can be descriptive, it
> turns it into an "oh, I forgot about doing X" or "it's failing *there*"
> rather than a puzzle.
> 
> The only place where it really makes sense to return NULL is with memory
> allocators.  NULL is an accepted value for meaning "I couldn't allocate
> memory" as its not a useful pointer value.
> 
> The alternative is to have an API like:
> 
> 	struct clk *clk_get(int *error, ...)
> or
> 	int clk_get(struct clk **, ...)
> 
> but that then leads to _additional_ errors made by driver authors and by
> implementations - you can no longer guarantee that *error will always be
> initialized, and this is why the whole ERR_PTR/PTR_ERR/IS_ERR stuff was
> implemented.  The kernel used to have such things in it and they were
> buggy.

I agree that error codes are very useful.  The problem is rather how to 
propagate any sort of error indicator, whether ERR_PTR, NULL, an negative 
integer, etc.

julia

  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-25 11:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-24 19:55 [PATCH 0/4] Add missing IS_ERR test Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 19:55 ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 19:55 ` [PATCH 1/4] fs/btrfs/inode.c: " Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 19:55   ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 19:55 ` [PATCH 2/4] arch/arm/mach-at91/clock.c: " Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 19:55   ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 19:55   ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 19:56   ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 19:56     ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 19:56     ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 20:00     ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 20:00       ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 20:00       ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 20:05       ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-01-24 20:05         ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-01-24 20:05         ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-01-24 20:09         ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 20:09           ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 20:09           ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 20:14           ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-01-24 20:14             ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-01-24 20:14             ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-01-25 10:33           ` walter harms
2011-01-25 10:33             ` walter harms
2011-01-25 10:33             ` walter harms
2011-01-25 10:43             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25 10:43               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25 10:43               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25 11:12               ` walter harms
2011-01-25 11:12                 ` walter harms
2011-01-25 11:12                 ` walter harms
2011-01-25 11:17                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25 11:17                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25 11:17                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25 11:18                 ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-25 11:18                   ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-25 11:18                   ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-25 11:26                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25 11:26                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25 11:26                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25 11:31                     ` Julia Lawall [this message]
2011-01-25 11:31                       ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-25 11:31                       ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 20:11         ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 20:11           ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 20:11           ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 20:28           ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 20:28             ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 20:28             ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 20:38             ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 20:38               ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 20:38               ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 21:01               ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 21:01                 ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 21:01                 ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 21:06                 ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 21:06                   ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 21:06                   ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 21:31                   ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 21:31                     ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 21:31                     ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 21:51                     ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 21:51                       ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 21:51                       ` Ryan Mallon
2011-01-24 23:23                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24 23:23                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24 23:23                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-25  1:44                         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-01-25  1:44                           ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-01-25  1:44                           ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-01-25  6:12                           ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-25  6:12                             ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-25  6:12                             ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-25 17:23                             ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-01-25 17:23                               ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-01-25 17:23                               ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-01-24 19:55 ` [PATCH 3/4] drivers/video/bf537-lq035.c: " Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 19:55   ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 20:43   ` Mike Frysinger
2011-01-24 20:43     ` Mike Frysinger
2011-01-25  6:12     ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-25  6:12       ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-25  8:36   ` Hennerich, Michael
2011-01-25  8:36     ` Hennerich, Michael
2011-01-24 19:55 ` [PATCH 4/4] arch/arm/mach-omap2/smartreflex.c: " Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 19:55   ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 19:55   ` Julia Lawall
2011-01-24 21:24   ` Kevin Hilman
2011-01-24 21:24     ` Kevin Hilman
2011-01-24 21:24     ` Kevin Hilman

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