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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
	Tony Krowiak <akrowiak@linux.ibm.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Diana Craciun <diana.craciun@oss.nxp.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
	Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	Harald Freudenberger <freude@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	intel-gvt-dev@lists.freedesktop.org, iommu@lists.linux.dev,
	Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	Jason Herne <jjherne@linux.ibm.com>,
	Joonas Lahtinen <joonas.lahtinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	Longfang Liu <liulongfang@huawei.com>,
	Matthew Rosato <mjrosato@linux.ibm.com>,
	Peter Oberparleiter <oberpar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Rodrigo Vivi <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>,
	Shameer Kolothum <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>,
	Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com>,
	Vineeth Vijayan <vneethv@linux.ibm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	Zhenyu Wang <zhenyuw@linux.intel.com>,
	Zhi Wang <zhi.a.wang@intel.com>,
	Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	"Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 10/11] vfio: Make vfio_container optionally compiled
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 20:54:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y2r6YnhuR3SxslL6@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221108152831.1a2ed3df.alex.williamson@redhat.com>

On Tue, Nov 08, 2022 at 03:28:31PM -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:

> Perhaps this should have been obvious, but I'm realizing that
> vfio-noiommu mode is completely missing without VFIO_CONTAINER, which
> seems a barrier to deprecating VFIO_CONTAINER and perhaps makes it a

Yes, it is the same as the allow_unsafe_interrupts - it is something
that currently goes missing if you turn off VFIO_CONTAINER.

This seems straightforward enough to resolve in a followup, we mostly
just need someone with an existing no-iommu application to test
compatability against. Keeping it working with the device cdev will
also be a bit interesting. If you have or know about some application
I can try to make a patch.

> question whether IOMMUFD should really be taking over /dev/vfio/vfio.
> No-iommu mode has users.  

I view VFIO_CONTAINER=n as a process. An aspiration we can work
toward.

At this point there are few places that might want to use it. Android
perhaps, for example. It is also useful for testing. One of the main
values is you can switch the options and feed the kernel into an
existing test environment and see what happens. This is how we are
able to quickly get s390 mdev testing, for instance.

We are not going to get to a widely useful VFIO_CONTAINER=n if we
don't have a target that people can test against and evaluate what
compatability gaps may exist.

So, everytime we find something like this - let's think about how can
we make iommufd compatibility handle it and not jump straight to
giving up :)

I'm kind of thinking v6.4 might be a reasonable kernel target when we
might have closed off enough things.

Jason

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Vineeth Vijayan <vneethv@linux.ibm.com>,
	Diana Craciun <diana.craciun@oss.nxp.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	Longfang Liu <liulongfang@huawei.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, "Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@intel.com>,
	Matthew Rosato <mjrosato@linux.ibm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, Zhi Wang <zhi.a.wang@intel.com>,
	Jason Herne <jjherne@linux.ibm.com>,
	Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
	Harald Freudenberger <freude@linux.ibm.com>,
	Rodrigo Vivi <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>,
	intel-gvt-dev@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Tony Krowiak <akrowiak@linux.ibm.com>,
	Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Peter Oberparleiter <oberpar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Shameer Kolothum <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>,
	Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 10/11] vfio: Make vfio_container optionally compiled
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 20:54:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y2r6YnhuR3SxslL6@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221108152831.1a2ed3df.alex.williamson@redhat.com>

On Tue, Nov 08, 2022 at 03:28:31PM -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:

> Perhaps this should have been obvious, but I'm realizing that
> vfio-noiommu mode is completely missing without VFIO_CONTAINER, which
> seems a barrier to deprecating VFIO_CONTAINER and perhaps makes it a

Yes, it is the same as the allow_unsafe_interrupts - it is something
that currently goes missing if you turn off VFIO_CONTAINER.

This seems straightforward enough to resolve in a followup, we mostly
just need someone with an existing no-iommu application to test
compatability against. Keeping it working with the device cdev will
also be a bit interesting. If you have or know about some application
I can try to make a patch.

> question whether IOMMUFD should really be taking over /dev/vfio/vfio.
> No-iommu mode has users.  

I view VFIO_CONTAINER=n as a process. An aspiration we can work
toward.

At this point there are few places that might want to use it. Android
perhaps, for example. It is also useful for testing. One of the main
values is you can switch the options and feed the kernel into an
existing test environment and see what happens. This is how we are
able to quickly get s390 mdev testing, for instance.

We are not going to get to a widely useful VFIO_CONTAINER=n if we
don't have a target that people can test against and evaluate what
compatability gaps may exist.

So, everytime we find something like this - let's think about how can
we make iommufd compatibility handle it and not jump straight to
giving up :)

I'm kind of thinking v6.4 might be a reasonable kernel target when we
might have closed off enough things.

Jason

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Vineeth Vijayan <vneethv@linux.ibm.com>,
	Diana Craciun <diana.craciun@oss.nxp.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
	Longfang Liu <liulongfang@huawei.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, "Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@intel.com>,
	Matthew Rosato <mjrosato@linux.ibm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Jason Herne <jjherne@linux.ibm.com>,
	Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
	Harald Freudenberger <freude@linux.ibm.com>,
	Rodrigo Vivi <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>,
	intel-gvt-dev@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Tony Krowiak <akrowiak@linux.ibm.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Peter Oberparleiter <oberpar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Shameer Kolothum <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>,
	Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v2 10/11] vfio: Make vfio_container optionally compiled
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 20:54:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y2r6YnhuR3SxslL6@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221108152831.1a2ed3df.alex.williamson@redhat.com>

On Tue, Nov 08, 2022 at 03:28:31PM -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:

> Perhaps this should have been obvious, but I'm realizing that
> vfio-noiommu mode is completely missing without VFIO_CONTAINER, which
> seems a barrier to deprecating VFIO_CONTAINER and perhaps makes it a

Yes, it is the same as the allow_unsafe_interrupts - it is something
that currently goes missing if you turn off VFIO_CONTAINER.

This seems straightforward enough to resolve in a followup, we mostly
just need someone with an existing no-iommu application to test
compatability against. Keeping it working with the device cdev will
also be a bit interesting. If you have or know about some application
I can try to make a patch.

> question whether IOMMUFD should really be taking over /dev/vfio/vfio.
> No-iommu mode has users.  

I view VFIO_CONTAINER=n as a process. An aspiration we can work
toward.

At this point there are few places that might want to use it. Android
perhaps, for example. It is also useful for testing. One of the main
values is you can switch the options and feed the kernel into an
existing test environment and see what happens. This is how we are
able to quickly get s390 mdev testing, for instance.

We are not going to get to a widely useful VFIO_CONTAINER=n if we
don't have a target that people can test against and evaluate what
compatability gaps may exist.

So, everytime we find something like this - let's think about how can
we make iommufd compatibility handle it and not jump straight to
giving up :)

I'm kind of thinking v6.4 might be a reasonable kernel target when we
might have closed off enough things.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-09  0:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-08  0:52 [PATCH v2 00/11] Connect VFIO to IOMMUFD Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52 ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] vfio: Move vfio_device driver open/close code to a function Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] vfio: Move vfio_device_assign_container() into vfio_device_first_open() Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] vfio: Rename vfio_device_assign/unassign_container() Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] vfio: Move storage of allow_unsafe_interrupts to vfio_main.c Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] vfio: Use IOMMU_CAP_ENFORCE_CACHE_COHERENCY for vfio_file_enforced_coherent() Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10  2:48   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  2:48     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  2:48     ` [Intel-gfx] " Tian, Kevin
2022-11-08  0:52 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] vfio-iommufd: Allow iommufd to be used in place of a container fd Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10  2:51   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  2:51     ` [Intel-gfx] " Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  2:51     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-08  0:52 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] vfio-iommufd: Support iommufd for physical VFIO devices Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  6:10   ` Nicolin Chen
2022-11-08  6:10     ` [Intel-gfx] " Nicolin Chen
2022-11-08  6:10     ` Nicolin Chen
2022-11-08  7:41     ` Yi Liu
2022-11-08  7:41       ` [Intel-gfx] " Yi Liu
2022-11-08  7:41       ` Yi Liu
2022-11-08 17:51       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08 17:51         ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08 17:51         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10  3:12         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  3:12           ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  3:12           ` [Intel-gfx] " Tian, Kevin
2022-11-08 17:48     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08 17:48       ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08 17:48       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10  3:11   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  3:11     ` [Intel-gfx] " Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  3:11     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10 17:20     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10 17:20       ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10 17:20       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10 23:58       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10 23:58         ` [Intel-gfx] " Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10 23:58         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-11  4:12   ` [Intel-gfx] " Yi Liu
2022-11-11  4:12     ` Yi Liu
2022-11-11  4:12     ` Yi Liu
2022-11-14 14:47     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 14:47       ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 14:47       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] vfio-iommufd: Support iommufd for emulated " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10  5:33   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  5:33     ` [Intel-gfx] " Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  5:33     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-08  0:52 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] vfio: Move container related MODULE_ALIAS statements into container.c Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10  5:34   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  5:34     ` [Intel-gfx] " Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  5:34     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-11  4:13   ` Yi Liu
2022-11-11  4:13     ` [Intel-gfx] " Yi Liu
2022-11-11  4:13     ` Yi Liu
2022-11-08  0:52 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] vfio: Make vfio_container optionally compiled Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08 22:28   ` Alex Williamson
2022-11-08 22:28     ` [Intel-gfx] " Alex Williamson
2022-11-08 22:28     ` Alex Williamson
2022-11-09  0:54     ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2022-11-09  0:54       ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-09  0:54       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-09 17:18       ` Alex Williamson
2022-11-09 17:18         ` [Intel-gfx] " Alex Williamson
2022-11-09 17:18         ` Alex Williamson
2022-11-09 19:52         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-09 19:52           ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-09 19:52           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10  6:57           ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  6:57             ` [Intel-gfx] " Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  6:57             ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10 17:10             ` Alex Williamson
2022-11-10 17:10               ` [Intel-gfx] " Alex Williamson
2022-11-10 17:10               ` Alex Williamson
2022-11-10 17:52             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10 17:52               ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10 17:52               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] iommufd: Allow iommufd to supply /dev/vfio/vfio Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  0:52   ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10  7:01   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  7:01     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  7:01     ` [Intel-gfx] " Tian, Kevin
2022-11-11  4:16   ` Yi Liu
2022-11-11  4:16     ` [Intel-gfx] " Yi Liu
2022-11-11  4:16     ` Yi Liu
2022-11-11  6:38     ` Yi Liu
2022-11-11  6:38       ` [Intel-gfx] " Yi Liu
2022-11-11  6:38       ` Yi Liu
2022-11-14 14:50     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 14:50       ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 14:50       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-08  1:27 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BUILD: failure for Connect VFIO to IOMMUFD (rev3) Patchwork
2022-11-08  9:19 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] Connect VFIO to IOMMUFD Nicolin Chen
2022-11-08  9:19   ` [Intel-gfx] " Nicolin Chen
2022-11-08  9:19   ` Nicolin Chen
2022-11-08 15:18   ` Yi Liu
2022-11-08 15:18     ` [Intel-gfx] " Yi Liu
2022-11-08 15:18     ` Yi Liu
2022-11-09 16:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-09 16:57       ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-09 16:57       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 12:51       ` Yi Liu
2022-11-14 12:51         ` [Intel-gfx] " Yi Liu
2022-11-14 12:51         ` Yi Liu
2022-11-14 14:37         ` Yang, Lixiao
2022-11-14 14:37           ` [Intel-gfx] " Yang, Lixiao
2022-11-14 14:37           ` Yang, Lixiao
2022-11-15  5:41           ` He, Yu
2022-11-15  5:41             ` [Intel-gfx] " He, Yu
2022-11-15  5:41             ` He, Yu
2022-11-14 14:38         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 14:38           ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 14:38           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 14:42           ` Yi Liu
2022-11-14 14:42             ` Yi Liu
2022-11-14 14:42             ` [Intel-gfx] " Yi Liu
2022-11-15  1:16       ` Matthew Rosato
2022-11-15  1:16         ` [Intel-gfx] " Matthew Rosato
2022-11-15  1:16         ` Matthew Rosato
2022-11-09  9:03 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-09  9:03   ` [Intel-gfx] " Tian, Kevin
2022-11-09  9:03   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-09 12:48   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-09 12:48     ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-09 12:48     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-10  2:16     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  2:16       ` [Intel-gfx] " Tian, Kevin
2022-11-10  2:16       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-11  3:01 ` Matthew Rosato
2022-11-11  3:01   ` [Intel-gfx] " Matthew Rosato
2022-11-11  3:01   ` Matthew Rosato
2022-11-14 14:23   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 14:23     ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 14:23     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 14:55     ` Matthew Rosato
2022-11-14 14:55       ` [Intel-gfx] " Matthew Rosato
2022-11-14 14:55       ` Matthew Rosato
2022-11-14 14:59       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 14:59         ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 14:59         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 15:21         ` Matthew Rosato
2022-11-14 15:21           ` [Intel-gfx] " Matthew Rosato
2022-11-14 15:21           ` Matthew Rosato
2022-11-14 19:27           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 19:27             ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-14 19:27             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-11  4:06 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BUILD: failure for Connect VFIO to IOMMUFD (rev5) Patchwork

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