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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
Cc: "DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Intel Graphics Development" <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Sumit Semwal" <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 14:03:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y30PDdsvHIJo5YHR@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221122170801.842766-1-daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 06:08:00PM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> tldr; DMA buffers aren't normal memory, expecting that you can use
> them like that (like calling get_user_pages works, or that they're
> accounting like any other normal memory) cannot be guaranteed.
> 
> Since some userspace only runs on integrated devices, where all
> buffers are actually all resident system memory, there's a huge
> temptation to assume that a struct page is always present and useable
> like for any more pagecache backed mmap. This has the potential to
> result in a uapi nightmare.
> 
> To stop this gap require that DMA buffer mmaps are VM_PFNMAP, which
> blocks get_user_pages and all the other struct page based
> infrastructure for everyone. In spirit this is the uapi counterpart to
> the kernel-internal CONFIG_DMABUF_DEBUG.
> 
> Motivated by a recent patch which wanted to swich the system dma-buf
> heap to vm_insert_page instead of vm_insert_pfn.
> 
> v2:
> 
> Jason brought up that we also want to guarantee that all ptes have the
> pte_special flag set, to catch fast get_user_pages (on architectures
> that support this). Allowing VM_MIXEDMAP (like VM_SPECIAL does) would
> still allow vm_insert_page, but limiting to VM_PFNMAP will catch that.
> 
> From auditing the various functions to insert pfn pte entires
> (vm_insert_pfn_prot, remap_pfn_range and all it's callers like
> dma_mmap_wc) it looks like VM_PFNMAP is already required anyway, so
> this should be the correct flag to check for.

I didn't look at how this actually gets used, but it is a bit of a
pain to insert a lifetime controlled object like a struct page as a
special PTE/VM_PFNMAP

How is the lifetime model implemented here? How do you know when
userspace has finally unmapped the page?

Jason

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
Cc: "Intel Graphics Development" <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Sumit Semwal" <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	"John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 14:03:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y30PDdsvHIJo5YHR@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221122170801.842766-1-daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 06:08:00PM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> tldr; DMA buffers aren't normal memory, expecting that you can use
> them like that (like calling get_user_pages works, or that they're
> accounting like any other normal memory) cannot be guaranteed.
> 
> Since some userspace only runs on integrated devices, where all
> buffers are actually all resident system memory, there's a huge
> temptation to assume that a struct page is always present and useable
> like for any more pagecache backed mmap. This has the potential to
> result in a uapi nightmare.
> 
> To stop this gap require that DMA buffer mmaps are VM_PFNMAP, which
> blocks get_user_pages and all the other struct page based
> infrastructure for everyone. In spirit this is the uapi counterpart to
> the kernel-internal CONFIG_DMABUF_DEBUG.
> 
> Motivated by a recent patch which wanted to swich the system dma-buf
> heap to vm_insert_page instead of vm_insert_pfn.
> 
> v2:
> 
> Jason brought up that we also want to guarantee that all ptes have the
> pte_special flag set, to catch fast get_user_pages (on architectures
> that support this). Allowing VM_MIXEDMAP (like VM_SPECIAL does) would
> still allow vm_insert_page, but limiting to VM_PFNMAP will catch that.
> 
> From auditing the various functions to insert pfn pte entires
> (vm_insert_pfn_prot, remap_pfn_range and all it's callers like
> dma_mmap_wc) it looks like VM_PFNMAP is already required anyway, so
> this should be the correct flag to check for.

I didn't look at how this actually gets used, but it is a bit of a
pain to insert a lifetime controlled object like a struct page as a
special PTE/VM_PFNMAP

How is the lifetime model implemented here? How do you know when
userspace has finally unmapped the page?

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-22 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-22 17:08 [PATCH] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 17:08 ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 17:08 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 18:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2022-11-22 18:03   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-22 18:08   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 18:08     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 18:08     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 18:50     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-22 18:50       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-22 19:29       ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 19:29         ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 19:29         ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 19:34         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-22 19:34           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-22 19:50           ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 19:50             ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 19:50             ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23  9:06             ` Christian König
2022-11-23  9:06               ` Christian König
2022-11-23  9:06               ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-11-23  9:30               ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23  9:30                 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23  9:30                 ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23  9:39                 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Christian König
2022-11-23  9:39                   ` Christian König
2022-11-23  9:39                   ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-11-23 10:06                   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 10:06                     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 10:06                     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 12:46                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 12:46                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 12:49                       ` Christian König
2022-11-23 12:49                         ` Christian König
2022-11-23 12:49                         ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-11-23 12:53                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 12:53                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 13:12                           ` Christian König
2022-11-23 13:12                             ` Christian König
2022-11-23 13:12                             ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-11-23 13:28                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 13:28                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 14:28                               ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 14:28                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 14:28                                 ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 15:04                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 15:04                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 16:22                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 16:22                                     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 16:22                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 14:34                               ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 14:34                                 ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 14:34                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 15:08                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 15:08                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 15:15                                   ` Christian König
2022-11-23 15:15                                     ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-11-23 15:15                                     ` Christian König
2022-11-23 16:26                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 16:26                                       ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 16:26                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 16:26                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 16:26                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-22 19:43 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.CHECKPATCH: warning for " Patchwork
2022-11-22 20:08 ` [Intel-gfx] ✓ Fi.CI.BAT: success " Patchwork
2022-11-23  8:07 ` [PATCH] " Thomas Zimmermann
2022-11-23  8:07   ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Zimmermann
2022-11-23  8:07   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-11-23  9:33   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23  9:33     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23  9:33     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23  9:58 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.IGT: failure for " Patchwork

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