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From: Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>
To: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Cc: james.morse@arm.com, alexandru.elisei@arm.com,
	suzuki.poulose@arm.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	ardb@kernel.org, qwandor@google.com, tabba@google.com,
	dbrazdil@google.com, kernel-team@android.com,
	Yanan Wang <wangyanan55@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/14] KVM: arm64: Continue stage-2 map when re-creating mappings
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:32:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YPV+2jQ/Q/ie14Fn@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lf62jy9z.wl-maz@kernel.org>

On Monday 19 Jul 2021 at 13:14:48 (+0100), Marc Zyngier wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:47:24 +0100,
> Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com> wrote:
> > 
> > The stage-2 map walkers currently return -EAGAIN when re-creating
> > identical mappings or only changing access permissions. This allows to
> > optimize mapping pages for concurrent (v)CPUs faulting on the same
> > page.
> > 
> > While this works as expected when touching one page-table leaf at a
> > time, this can lead to difficult situations when mapping larger ranges.
> > Indeed, a large map operation can fail in the middle if an existing
> > mapping is found in the range, even if it has compatible attributes,
> > hence leaving only half of the range mapped.
> 
> I'm curious of when this can happen. We normally map a single leaf at
> a time, and we don't have a way to map multiple leaves at once: we
> either use the VMA base size or try to upgrade it to a THP, but the
> result is always a single leaf entry. What changed?

Nothing _yet_ :-)

The 'share' hypercall introduced near the end of the series allows to
share multiple physically contiguous pages in one go -- this is mostly
to allow sharing data-structures that are larger than a page.

So if one of the pages happens to be already mapped by the time the
hypercall is issued, mapping the range with the right SW bits becomes
difficult as kvm_pgtable_stage2_map() will fail halfway through, which
is tricky to handle.

This patch shouldn't change anything for existing users that only map
things that are nicely aligned at block/page granularity, but should
make the life of new users easier, so that seemed like a win.

> > To avoid having to deal with such failures in the caller, don't
> > interrupt the map operation when hitting existing PTEs, but make sure to
> > still return -EAGAIN so that user_mem_abort() can mark the page dirty
> > when needed.
> 
> I don't follow you here: if you return -EAGAIN for a writable mapping,
> we don't account for the page to be dirty on the assumption that
> nothing has been mapped. But if there is a way to map more than a
> single entry and to get -EAGAIN at the same time, then we're bound to
> lose data on page eviction.
> 
> Can you shed some light on this?

Sure. For guests, hitting the -EAGAIN case means we've lost the race
with another vCPU that faulted the same page. In this case the other
vCPU either mapped the page RO, which means that our vCPU will then get
a permission fault next time we run it which will lead to the page being
marked dirty, or the other vCPU mapped the page RW in which case it
already marked the page dirty for us and we can safely re-enter the
guest without doing anything else.

So what I meant by "still return -EAGAIN so that user_mem_abort() can
mark the page dirty when needed" is "make sure to mark the page dirty
only when necessary: if winning the race and marking the page RW, or
in the permission fault path". That is, by keeping the -EAGAIN I want to
make sure we don't mark the page dirty twice. (This might fine, but this
would be new behaviour, and it was not clear that would scale well to
many vCPUs faulting the same page).

I see how this wording can be highly confusing though, I'll and re-word
for the next version.

Cheers,
Quentin

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From: Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>
To: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Cc: kernel-team@android.com, qwandor@google.com, will@kernel.org,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/14] KVM: arm64: Continue stage-2 map when re-creating mappings
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:32:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YPV+2jQ/Q/ie14Fn@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lf62jy9z.wl-maz@kernel.org>

On Monday 19 Jul 2021 at 13:14:48 (+0100), Marc Zyngier wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:47:24 +0100,
> Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com> wrote:
> > 
> > The stage-2 map walkers currently return -EAGAIN when re-creating
> > identical mappings or only changing access permissions. This allows to
> > optimize mapping pages for concurrent (v)CPUs faulting on the same
> > page.
> > 
> > While this works as expected when touching one page-table leaf at a
> > time, this can lead to difficult situations when mapping larger ranges.
> > Indeed, a large map operation can fail in the middle if an existing
> > mapping is found in the range, even if it has compatible attributes,
> > hence leaving only half of the range mapped.
> 
> I'm curious of when this can happen. We normally map a single leaf at
> a time, and we don't have a way to map multiple leaves at once: we
> either use the VMA base size or try to upgrade it to a THP, but the
> result is always a single leaf entry. What changed?

Nothing _yet_ :-)

The 'share' hypercall introduced near the end of the series allows to
share multiple physically contiguous pages in one go -- this is mostly
to allow sharing data-structures that are larger than a page.

So if one of the pages happens to be already mapped by the time the
hypercall is issued, mapping the range with the right SW bits becomes
difficult as kvm_pgtable_stage2_map() will fail halfway through, which
is tricky to handle.

This patch shouldn't change anything for existing users that only map
things that are nicely aligned at block/page granularity, but should
make the life of new users easier, so that seemed like a win.

> > To avoid having to deal with such failures in the caller, don't
> > interrupt the map operation when hitting existing PTEs, but make sure to
> > still return -EAGAIN so that user_mem_abort() can mark the page dirty
> > when needed.
> 
> I don't follow you here: if you return -EAGAIN for a writable mapping,
> we don't account for the page to be dirty on the assumption that
> nothing has been mapped. But if there is a way to map more than a
> single entry and to get -EAGAIN at the same time, then we're bound to
> lose data on page eviction.
> 
> Can you shed some light on this?

Sure. For guests, hitting the -EAGAIN case means we've lost the race
with another vCPU that faulted the same page. In this case the other
vCPU either mapped the page RO, which means that our vCPU will then get
a permission fault next time we run it which will lead to the page being
marked dirty, or the other vCPU mapped the page RW in which case it
already marked the page dirty for us and we can safely re-enter the
guest without doing anything else.

So what I meant by "still return -EAGAIN so that user_mem_abort() can
mark the page dirty when needed" is "make sure to mark the page dirty
only when necessary: if winning the race and marking the page RW, or
in the permission fault path". That is, by keeping the -EAGAIN I want to
make sure we don't mark the page dirty twice. (This might fine, but this
would be new behaviour, and it was not clear that would scale well to
many vCPUs faulting the same page).

I see how this wording can be highly confusing though, I'll and re-word
for the next version.

Cheers,
Quentin
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From: Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>
To: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Cc: james.morse@arm.com, alexandru.elisei@arm.com,
	suzuki.poulose@arm.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	ardb@kernel.org, qwandor@google.com, tabba@google.com,
	dbrazdil@google.com, kernel-team@android.com,
	Yanan Wang <wangyanan55@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/14] KVM: arm64: Continue stage-2 map when re-creating mappings
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:32:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YPV+2jQ/Q/ie14Fn@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lf62jy9z.wl-maz@kernel.org>

On Monday 19 Jul 2021 at 13:14:48 (+0100), Marc Zyngier wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:47:24 +0100,
> Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com> wrote:
> > 
> > The stage-2 map walkers currently return -EAGAIN when re-creating
> > identical mappings or only changing access permissions. This allows to
> > optimize mapping pages for concurrent (v)CPUs faulting on the same
> > page.
> > 
> > While this works as expected when touching one page-table leaf at a
> > time, this can lead to difficult situations when mapping larger ranges.
> > Indeed, a large map operation can fail in the middle if an existing
> > mapping is found in the range, even if it has compatible attributes,
> > hence leaving only half of the range mapped.
> 
> I'm curious of when this can happen. We normally map a single leaf at
> a time, and we don't have a way to map multiple leaves at once: we
> either use the VMA base size or try to upgrade it to a THP, but the
> result is always a single leaf entry. What changed?

Nothing _yet_ :-)

The 'share' hypercall introduced near the end of the series allows to
share multiple physically contiguous pages in one go -- this is mostly
to allow sharing data-structures that are larger than a page.

So if one of the pages happens to be already mapped by the time the
hypercall is issued, mapping the range with the right SW bits becomes
difficult as kvm_pgtable_stage2_map() will fail halfway through, which
is tricky to handle.

This patch shouldn't change anything for existing users that only map
things that are nicely aligned at block/page granularity, but should
make the life of new users easier, so that seemed like a win.

> > To avoid having to deal with such failures in the caller, don't
> > interrupt the map operation when hitting existing PTEs, but make sure to
> > still return -EAGAIN so that user_mem_abort() can mark the page dirty
> > when needed.
> 
> I don't follow you here: if you return -EAGAIN for a writable mapping,
> we don't account for the page to be dirty on the assumption that
> nothing has been mapped. But if there is a way to map more than a
> single entry and to get -EAGAIN at the same time, then we're bound to
> lose data on page eviction.
> 
> Can you shed some light on this?

Sure. For guests, hitting the -EAGAIN case means we've lost the race
with another vCPU that faulted the same page. In this case the other
vCPU either mapped the page RO, which means that our vCPU will then get
a permission fault next time we run it which will lead to the page being
marked dirty, or the other vCPU mapped the page RW in which case it
already marked the page dirty for us and we can safely re-enter the
guest without doing anything else.

So what I meant by "still return -EAGAIN so that user_mem_abort() can
mark the page dirty when needed" is "make sure to mark the page dirty
only when necessary: if winning the race and marking the page RW, or
in the permission fault path". That is, by keeping the -EAGAIN I want to
make sure we don't mark the page dirty twice. (This might fine, but this
would be new behaviour, and it was not clear that would scale well to
many vCPUs faulting the same page).

I see how this wording can be highly confusing though, I'll and re-word
for the next version.

Cheers,
Quentin

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-19 13:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-19 10:47 [PATCH 00/14] Track shared pages at EL2 in protected mode Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47 ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47 ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 01/14] KVM: arm64: Provide the host_stage2_try() helper macro Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 13:57   ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-20 13:57     ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-20 13:57     ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 02/14] KVM: arm64: Optimize kvm_pgtable_stage2_find_range() Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 03/14] KVM: arm64: Continue stage-2 map when re-creating mappings Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 12:14   ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 12:14     ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 12:14     ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 13:32     ` Quentin Perret [this message]
2021-07-19 13:32       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 13:32       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20  8:26       ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-20  8:26         ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-20  8:26         ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-20 11:56         ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 11:56           ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 11:56           ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 04/14] KVM: arm64: Rename KVM_PTE_LEAF_ATTR_S2_IGNORED Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 05/14] KVM: arm64: Don't overwrite ignored bits with owner id Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 12:55   ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 12:55     ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 12:55     ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 13:39     ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 13:39       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 13:39       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20  8:46       ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-20  8:46         ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-20  8:46         ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 06/14] KVM: arm64: Tolerate re-creating hyp mappings to set ignored bits Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 10:17   ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-20 10:17     ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-20 10:17     ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-20 10:30     ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 10:30       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 10:30       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 10:59       ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-20 10:59         ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-20 10:59         ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-20 11:14         ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 11:14           ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 11:14           ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 07/14] KVM: arm64: Enable forcing page-level stage-2 mappings Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 14:24   ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 14:24     ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 14:24     ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 15:36     ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 15:36       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 15:36       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 08/14] KVM: arm64: Add support for tagging shared pages in page-table Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 14:43   ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 14:43     ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 14:43     ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 15:49     ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 15:49       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 15:49       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 10:13       ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-20 10:13         ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-20 10:13         ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-20 11:48         ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 11:48           ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 11:48           ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 13:48   ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-20 13:48     ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-20 13:48     ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-20 14:06     ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 14:06       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-20 14:06       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-21  7:34       ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-21  7:34         ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-21  7:34         ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 09/14] KVM: arm64: Mark host bss and rodata section as shared Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 15:01   ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 15:01     ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 15:01     ` Marc Zyngier
2021-07-19 15:56     ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 15:56       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 15:56       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 10/14] KVM: arm64: Enable retrieving protections attributes of PTEs Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 11/14] KVM: arm64: Expose kvm_pte_valid() helper Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-21  8:20   ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-21  8:20     ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-21  8:20     ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 12/14] KVM: arm64: Refactor pkvm_pgtable locking Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-21  8:37   ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-21  8:37     ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-21  8:37     ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 13/14] KVM: arm64: Restrict hyp stage-1 manipulation in protected mode Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-21 10:45   ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-21 10:45     ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-21 10:45     ` Fuad Tabba
2021-07-21 13:35     ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-21 13:35       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-21 13:35       ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47 ` [PATCH 14/14] KVM: arm64: Prevent late calls to __pkvm_create_private_mapping() Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret
2021-07-19 10:47   ` Quentin Perret

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