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From: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
To: Hans Holmberg <Hans.Holmberg@wdc.com>
Cc: "hch@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>,
	Damien Le Moal <Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com>,
	"chao@kernel.org" <chao@kernel.org>,
	"linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" 
	<linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	"hans@owltronix.com" <hans@owltronix.com>,
	Aravind Ramesh <Aravind.Ramesh@wdc.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] f2fs: preserve direct write semantics when buffering is forced
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 12:36:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZH45N4nsqxCnhnoU@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230605115638.GA23662@gsv>

On 06/05, Hans Holmberg wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 04:39:10PM -0700, hch@infradead.org wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 05:46:37PM -0700, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > > Yes, and that was exactly my point: with LFS mode, O_DIRECT write
> > > > should never overwrite anything. So I do not see why direct writes
> > > > should be handled as buffered writes with zoned devices. Am I missing
> > > > something here ?
> > > 
> > > That's an easiest way to serialize block allocation and submit_bio when users
> > > are calling buffered writes and direct writes in parallel. :)
> > > I just felt that if we can manage both of them in direct write path along with
> > > buffered write path, we may be able to avoid memcpy.
> > 
> > Yes.  Note that right now f2fs doesn't really support proper O_DIRECT
> > for buffered I/O either, as non-overwrites require a feature similar
> > to unwritten extents, or a split of the allocation phase and the record
> > metdata phase.  If we'd go for the second choice for f2fs, which is the
> > more elegant thing to do, you'll get the zoned direct I/O write support
> > almost for free.
> 
> So, Jaegeuk, do you think suporting direct io proper is the way to do to fix this
> issue? That looks like a better solution to me (at least long term).
> 
> Until that would be put into place, do you want my fix (with your code
> style fixes) rebased and resent?

Yes, it's already landed in 6.4-rc1 of Linus tree, and surely I have the topic
in my long term plan.

Thanks,

> 
> Cheers,
> Hans

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From: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
To: Hans Holmberg <Hans.Holmberg@wdc.com>
Cc: Damien Le Moal <Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	"hch@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [RFC PATCH] f2fs: preserve direct write semantics when buffering is forced
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 12:36:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZH45N4nsqxCnhnoU@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230605115638.GA23662@gsv>

On 06/05, Hans Holmberg wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 04:39:10PM -0700, hch@infradead.org wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 05:46:37PM -0700, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > > Yes, and that was exactly my point: with LFS mode, O_DIRECT write
> > > > should never overwrite anything. So I do not see why direct writes
> > > > should be handled as buffered writes with zoned devices. Am I missing
> > > > something here ?
> > > 
> > > That's an easiest way to serialize block allocation and submit_bio when users
> > > are calling buffered writes and direct writes in parallel. :)
> > > I just felt that if we can manage both of them in direct write path along with
> > > buffered write path, we may be able to avoid memcpy.
> > 
> > Yes.  Note that right now f2fs doesn't really support proper O_DIRECT
> > for buffered I/O either, as non-overwrites require a feature similar
> > to unwritten extents, or a split of the allocation phase and the record
> > metdata phase.  If we'd go for the second choice for f2fs, which is the
> > more elegant thing to do, you'll get the zoned direct I/O write support
> > almost for free.
> 
> So, Jaegeuk, do you think suporting direct io proper is the way to do to fix this
> issue? That looks like a better solution to me (at least long term).
> 
> Until that would be put into place, do you want my fix (with your code
> style fixes) rebased and resent?

Yes, it's already landed in 6.4-rc1 of Linus tree, and surely I have the topic
in my long term plan.

Thanks,

> 
> Cheers,
> Hans


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  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-05 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-20 12:20 [RFC PATCH] f2fs: preserve direct write semantics when buffering is forced Hans Holmberg
2023-02-20 12:20 ` [f2fs-dev] " Hans Holmberg via Linux-f2fs-devel
     [not found] ` <CGME20230220123747epcas2p4c72ace14d10031df7aa116999ad5fe25@epcms2p8>
2023-02-22 11:08   ` Yonggil Song
2023-02-22 11:08     ` Yonggil Song
2023-03-20 13:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-03-20 13:42   ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2023-03-23 22:14   ` Jaegeuk Kim
2023-03-23 22:14     ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim
2023-03-23 23:02     ` Damien Le Moal
2023-03-23 23:02       ` [f2fs-dev] " Damien Le Moal via Linux-f2fs-devel
2023-03-23 23:46       ` Jaegeuk Kim
2023-03-23 23:46         ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim
2023-03-24  0:06         ` Damien Le Moal
2023-03-24  0:06           ` [f2fs-dev] " Damien Le Moal via Linux-f2fs-devel
2023-03-24  0:46           ` Jaegeuk Kim
2023-03-24  0:46             ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim
2023-03-26 23:39             ` hch
2023-03-26 23:39               ` [f2fs-dev] " hch
2023-06-05 11:56               ` Hans Holmberg
2023-06-05 11:56                 ` [f2fs-dev] " Hans Holmberg via Linux-f2fs-devel
2023-06-05 19:36                 ` Jaegeuk Kim [this message]
2023-06-05 19:36                   ` Jaegeuk Kim
2023-03-23 22:37 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2023-03-23 22:37   ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim

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