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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: ankita@nvidia.com
Cc: jgg@nvidia.com, maz@kernel.org, oliver.upton@linux.dev,
	will@kernel.org, aniketa@nvidia.com, cjia@nvidia.com,
	kwankhede@nvidia.com, targupta@nvidia.com, vsethi@nvidia.com,
	acurrid@nvidia.com, apopple@nvidia.com, jhubbard@nvidia.com,
	danw@nvidia.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] KVM: arm64: allow the VM to select DEVICE_* and NORMAL_NC for IO memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2023 17:40:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZPtOl7EqLzMusuIX@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230907181459.18145-3-ankita@nvidia.com>

+ Lorenzo

On Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 11:14:59AM -0700, ankita@nvidia.com wrote:
> From: Ankit Agrawal <ankita@nvidia.com>
> 
> Linux allows device drivers to map IO memory on a per-page basis using
> "write combining" or WC. This is often done using
> pgprot_writecombing(). The driver knows which pages can support WC
> access and the proper programming model to generate this IO. Generally
> the use case is to boost performance by using write combining to
> generate larger PCIe MemWr TLPs.
> 
> Allow VMs to select DEVICE_* or NORMAL_NC on a page by page basis for
> all IO memory. This puts the VM in charge of the memory attributes,
> and removes the KVM override to DEVICE_nGnRE.
> 
> Ultimately this makes pgprot_writecombing() work correctly in VMs and
> allows drivers like mlx5 to fully operate their HW.
> 
> After some discussions with ARM and CPU architects we reached the
> conclusion there was no need for KVM to prevent the VM from selecting
> between DEVICE_* and NORMAL_NC for IO memory in VMs. There was a fear
> that NORMAL_NC could result in uncontained failures, but upon deeper
> analysis it turns out there are already possible cases for uncontained
> failures with DEVICE types too. Ultimately the platform must be
> implemented in a way that ensures that all DEVICE_* and NORMAL_NC
> accesses have no uncontained failures.
> 
> Fortunately real platforms do tend to implement this.
> 
> This patch makes the VM's memory attributes behave as follows:
> 
>  S1           |   S2          |  Result
>  NORMAL-WB    |  NORMAL-NC    |  NORMAL-NC
>  NORMAL-WT    |  NORMAL-NC    |  NORMAL-NC
>  NORMAL-NC    |  NORMAL-NC    |  NORMAL-NC
>  DEVICE<attr> |  NORMAL-NC    |  DEVICE<attr>
> 
> See section D8.5.5 of DDI0487_I_a_a-profile_architecture_reference_manual.pdf
> for details.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Ankit Agrawal <ankita@nvidia.com>

From the discussions with the hardware people in Arm and Nvidia, we
indeed concluded that relaxing S2 to Normal-NC is not any worse than
Device (and actually Device memory is more prone to generating
uncontained errors, something to do with the Device memory ordering
semantics).

For this change:

Reviewed-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>

-- 
Catalin

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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: ankita@nvidia.com
Cc: jgg@nvidia.com, maz@kernel.org, oliver.upton@linux.dev,
	will@kernel.org, aniketa@nvidia.com, cjia@nvidia.com,
	kwankhede@nvidia.com, targupta@nvidia.com, vsethi@nvidia.com,
	acurrid@nvidia.com, apopple@nvidia.com, jhubbard@nvidia.com,
	danw@nvidia.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] KVM: arm64: allow the VM to select DEVICE_* and NORMAL_NC for IO memory
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2023 17:40:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZPtOl7EqLzMusuIX@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230907181459.18145-3-ankita@nvidia.com>

+ Lorenzo

On Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 11:14:59AM -0700, ankita@nvidia.com wrote:
> From: Ankit Agrawal <ankita@nvidia.com>
> 
> Linux allows device drivers to map IO memory on a per-page basis using
> "write combining" or WC. This is often done using
> pgprot_writecombing(). The driver knows which pages can support WC
> access and the proper programming model to generate this IO. Generally
> the use case is to boost performance by using write combining to
> generate larger PCIe MemWr TLPs.
> 
> Allow VMs to select DEVICE_* or NORMAL_NC on a page by page basis for
> all IO memory. This puts the VM in charge of the memory attributes,
> and removes the KVM override to DEVICE_nGnRE.
> 
> Ultimately this makes pgprot_writecombing() work correctly in VMs and
> allows drivers like mlx5 to fully operate their HW.
> 
> After some discussions with ARM and CPU architects we reached the
> conclusion there was no need for KVM to prevent the VM from selecting
> between DEVICE_* and NORMAL_NC for IO memory in VMs. There was a fear
> that NORMAL_NC could result in uncontained failures, but upon deeper
> analysis it turns out there are already possible cases for uncontained
> failures with DEVICE types too. Ultimately the platform must be
> implemented in a way that ensures that all DEVICE_* and NORMAL_NC
> accesses have no uncontained failures.
> 
> Fortunately real platforms do tend to implement this.
> 
> This patch makes the VM's memory attributes behave as follows:
> 
>  S1           |   S2          |  Result
>  NORMAL-WB    |  NORMAL-NC    |  NORMAL-NC
>  NORMAL-WT    |  NORMAL-NC    |  NORMAL-NC
>  NORMAL-NC    |  NORMAL-NC    |  NORMAL-NC
>  DEVICE<attr> |  NORMAL-NC    |  DEVICE<attr>
> 
> See section D8.5.5 of DDI0487_I_a_a-profile_architecture_reference_manual.pdf
> for details.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Ankit Agrawal <ankita@nvidia.com>

From the discussions with the hardware people in Arm and Nvidia, we
indeed concluded that relaxing S2 to Normal-NC is not any worse than
Device (and actually Device memory is more prone to generating
uncontained errors, something to do with the Device memory ordering
semantics).

For this change:

Reviewed-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>

-- 
Catalin

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-08 16:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-07 18:14 [PATCH v1 0/2] KVM: arm64: support write combining and cachable IO memory in VMs ankita
2023-09-07 18:14 ` ankita
2023-09-07 18:14 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] KVM: arm64: determine memory type from VMA ankita
2023-09-07 18:14   ` ankita
2023-09-07 19:12   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-07 19:12     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-05 16:15   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-05 16:15     ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-05 16:54     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-05 16:54       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 14:25       ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-10 14:25         ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-10 15:05         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 15:05           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 17:19           ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-10 17:19             ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-10 18:23             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 18:23               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 17:45               ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-11 17:45                 ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-11 18:38                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 18:38                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-12 16:16                   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-12 16:16                     ` Catalin Marinas
2024-03-10  3:49                     ` Ankit Agrawal
2024-03-10  3:49                       ` Ankit Agrawal
2024-03-19 13:38                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-19 13:38                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-23 13:20   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2023-10-23 13:20     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2023-09-07 18:14 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] KVM: arm64: allow the VM to select DEVICE_* and NORMAL_NC for IO memory ankita
2023-09-07 18:14   ` ankita
2023-09-08 16:40   ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2023-09-08 16:40     ` Catalin Marinas
2023-09-11 14:57   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-11 14:57     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-11 17:20     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-11 17:20       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-13 15:26       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-13 15:26         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-13 18:54         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-13 18:54           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-26  8:31           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-26  8:31             ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-26 12:25             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-26 12:25               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-26 13:52             ` Catalin Marinas
2023-09-26 13:52               ` Catalin Marinas
2023-09-26 16:12               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-09-26 16:12                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-05  9:56               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-05  9:56                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-05 11:56                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-05 11:56                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-05 14:08                   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-05 14:08                     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-12 12:35                 ` Will Deacon
2023-10-12 12:35                   ` Will Deacon
2023-10-12 13:20                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-12 13:20                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-12 14:29                     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-12 14:29                       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-12 13:53                   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-12 13:53                     ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-12 14:48                     ` Will Deacon
2023-10-12 14:48                       ` Will Deacon
2023-10-12 15:44                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-12 15:44                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-12 16:39                         ` Will Deacon
2023-10-12 16:39                           ` Will Deacon
2023-10-12 18:36                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-12 18:36                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-13  9:29                             ` Will Deacon
2023-10-13  9:29                               ` Will Deacon
2023-10-12 17:26                       ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-12 17:26                         ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-13  9:29                         ` Will Deacon
2023-10-13  9:29                           ` Will Deacon
2023-10-13 13:08                           ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-13 13:08                             ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-13 13:45                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-13 13:45                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-19 11:07                               ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-19 11:07                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-19 11:51                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-19 11:51                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-20 11:21                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-20 11:21                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-20 11:47                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-20 11:47                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-20 14:03                                       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-20 14:03                                         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-20 14:28                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-20 14:28                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-19 13:35                                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-19 13:35                                   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-13 15:28                             ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-13 15:28                               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-10-19 11:12                               ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-19 11:12                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2023-11-09 15:34                             ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-11-09 15:34                               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-11-10 14:26                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-10 14:26                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-13  0:42                                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-11-13  0:42                                   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2023-11-13 17:41                               ` Catalin Marinas
2023-11-13 17:41                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-12 12:27   ` Will Deacon
2023-10-12 12:27     ` Will Deacon

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