From: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org> To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> Cc: ankita@nvidia.com, maz@kernel.org, oliver.upton@linux.dev, catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org, aniketa@nvidia.com, cjia@nvidia.com, kwankhede@nvidia.com, targupta@nvidia.com, vsethi@nvidia.com, acurrid@nvidia.com, apopple@nvidia.com, jhubbard@nvidia.com, danw@nvidia.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] KVM: arm64: allow the VM to select DEVICE_* and NORMAL_NC for IO memory Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 10:31:38 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <ZRKW6uDR/+eXYMzl@lpieralisi> (raw) In-Reply-To: <ZQIFfqgR5zcidRR3@nvidia.com> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 03:54:54PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 05:26:01PM +0200, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote: [...] > > I can write up the commit log and post it if I manage to summarize > > it any better - more important the review on the code (that was already > > provided), I will try to write something up asap. > > Thank you! > > Jason FWIW, I have come up with the commit log below - please review and scrutinize/change it as deemed fit - it is not necessarily clearer than this one and it definitely requires MarcZ/Catalin/Will attention before it can be considered: --- Currently, KVM for ARM64 maps at stage 2 memory that is considered device (ie using pfn_is_map_memory() to discern between device memory and memory itself) with DEVICE_nGnRE memory attributes; this setting overrides (as per the ARM architecture [1]) any device MMIO mapping present at stage 1, resulting in a set-up whereby a guest operating system can't determine device MMIO mapping memory attributes on its own but it is always overriden by the KVM stage 2 default. This set-up does not allow guest operating systems to map device memory on a page by page basis with combined attributes other than DEVICE_nGnRE, which turns out to be an issue in that guest operating systems (eg Linux) may request to map devices MMIO regions with memory attributes that guarantee better performance (eg gathering attribute - that for some devices can generate larger PCIe memory writes TLPs) and specific operations (eg unaligned transactions) such as the NormalNC memory type. The default device stage 2 mapping was chosen in KVM for ARM64 since it was considered safer (ie it would not allow guests to trigger uncontained failures ultimately crashing the machine) but this turned out to be imprecise. Failures containability is a property of the platform and is independent from the memory type used for MMIO device memory mappings (ie DEVICE_nGnRE memory type is even more problematic than NormalNC in terms of containability since eg aborts triggered on loads cannot be made synchronous, which make them harder to contain); this means that, regardless of the combined stage1+stage2 mappings a platform is safe if and only if device transactions cannot trigger uncontained failures; reworded, the default KVM device stage 2 memory attributes play no role in making device assignment safer for a given platform and therefore can be relaxed. For all these reasons, relax the KVM stage 2 device memory attributes from DEVICE_nGnRE to NormalNC. This puts guests in control (thanks to stage1+stage2 combined memory attributes rules [1]) of device MMIO regions memory mappings, according to the rules described in [1] and summarized here ([(S1) = Stage1][(S2) = Stage2]): S1 | S2 | Result NORMAL-WB | NORMAL-NC | NORMAL-NC NORMAL-WT | NORMAL-NC | NORMAL-NC NORMAL-NC | NORMAL-NC | NORMAL-NC DEVICE<attr> | NORMAL-NC | DEVICE<attr> [1] section D8.5 - DDI0487_I_a_a-profile_architecture_reference_manual.pdf
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From: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org> To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> Cc: ankita@nvidia.com, maz@kernel.org, oliver.upton@linux.dev, catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org, aniketa@nvidia.com, cjia@nvidia.com, kwankhede@nvidia.com, targupta@nvidia.com, vsethi@nvidia.com, acurrid@nvidia.com, apopple@nvidia.com, jhubbard@nvidia.com, danw@nvidia.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] KVM: arm64: allow the VM to select DEVICE_* and NORMAL_NC for IO memory Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 10:31:38 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <ZRKW6uDR/+eXYMzl@lpieralisi> (raw) In-Reply-To: <ZQIFfqgR5zcidRR3@nvidia.com> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 03:54:54PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 05:26:01PM +0200, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote: [...] > > I can write up the commit log and post it if I manage to summarize > > it any better - more important the review on the code (that was already > > provided), I will try to write something up asap. > > Thank you! > > Jason FWIW, I have come up with the commit log below - please review and scrutinize/change it as deemed fit - it is not necessarily clearer than this one and it definitely requires MarcZ/Catalin/Will attention before it can be considered: --- Currently, KVM for ARM64 maps at stage 2 memory that is considered device (ie using pfn_is_map_memory() to discern between device memory and memory itself) with DEVICE_nGnRE memory attributes; this setting overrides (as per the ARM architecture [1]) any device MMIO mapping present at stage 1, resulting in a set-up whereby a guest operating system can't determine device MMIO mapping memory attributes on its own but it is always overriden by the KVM stage 2 default. This set-up does not allow guest operating systems to map device memory on a page by page basis with combined attributes other than DEVICE_nGnRE, which turns out to be an issue in that guest operating systems (eg Linux) may request to map devices MMIO regions with memory attributes that guarantee better performance (eg gathering attribute - that for some devices can generate larger PCIe memory writes TLPs) and specific operations (eg unaligned transactions) such as the NormalNC memory type. The default device stage 2 mapping was chosen in KVM for ARM64 since it was considered safer (ie it would not allow guests to trigger uncontained failures ultimately crashing the machine) but this turned out to be imprecise. Failures containability is a property of the platform and is independent from the memory type used for MMIO device memory mappings (ie DEVICE_nGnRE memory type is even more problematic than NormalNC in terms of containability since eg aborts triggered on loads cannot be made synchronous, which make them harder to contain); this means that, regardless of the combined stage1+stage2 mappings a platform is safe if and only if device transactions cannot trigger uncontained failures; reworded, the default KVM device stage 2 memory attributes play no role in making device assignment safer for a given platform and therefore can be relaxed. For all these reasons, relax the KVM stage 2 device memory attributes from DEVICE_nGnRE to NormalNC. This puts guests in control (thanks to stage1+stage2 combined memory attributes rules [1]) of device MMIO regions memory mappings, according to the rules described in [1] and summarized here ([(S1) = Stage1][(S2) = Stage2]): S1 | S2 | Result NORMAL-WB | NORMAL-NC | NORMAL-NC NORMAL-WT | NORMAL-NC | NORMAL-NC NORMAL-NC | NORMAL-NC | NORMAL-NC DEVICE<attr> | NORMAL-NC | DEVICE<attr> [1] section D8.5 - DDI0487_I_a_a-profile_architecture_reference_manual.pdf _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-26 8:31 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2023-09-07 18:14 [PATCH v1 0/2] KVM: arm64: support write combining and cachable IO memory in VMs ankita 2023-09-07 18:14 ` ankita 2023-09-07 18:14 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] KVM: arm64: determine memory type from VMA ankita 2023-09-07 18:14 ` ankita 2023-09-07 19:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-09-07 19:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-05 16:15 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-05 16:15 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-05 16:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-05 16:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-10 14:25 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-10 14:25 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-10 15:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-10 15:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-10 17:19 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-10 17:19 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-10 18:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-10 18:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-11 17:45 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-11 17:45 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-11 18:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-11 18:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-12 16:16 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-12 16:16 ` Catalin Marinas 2024-03-10 3:49 ` Ankit Agrawal 2024-03-10 3:49 ` Ankit Agrawal 2024-03-19 13:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2024-03-19 13:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-23 13:20 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi 2023-10-23 13:20 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi 2023-09-07 18:14 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] KVM: arm64: allow the VM to select DEVICE_* and NORMAL_NC for IO memory ankita 2023-09-07 18:14 ` ankita 2023-09-08 16:40 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-09-08 16:40 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-09-11 14:57 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-09-11 14:57 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-09-11 17:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-09-11 17:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-09-13 15:26 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-09-13 15:26 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-09-13 18:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-09-13 18:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-09-26 8:31 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi [this message] 2023-09-26 8:31 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-09-26 12:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-09-26 12:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-09-26 13:52 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-09-26 13:52 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-09-26 16:12 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-09-26 16:12 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-10-05 9:56 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-10-05 9:56 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-10-05 11:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-05 11:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-05 14:08 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-10-05 14:08 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-10-12 12:35 ` Will Deacon 2023-10-12 12:35 ` Will Deacon 2023-10-12 13:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-12 13:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-12 14:29 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-10-12 14:29 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-10-12 13:53 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-12 13:53 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-12 14:48 ` Will Deacon 2023-10-12 14:48 ` Will Deacon 2023-10-12 15:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-12 15:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-12 16:39 ` Will Deacon 2023-10-12 16:39 ` Will Deacon 2023-10-12 18:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-12 18:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-13 9:29 ` Will Deacon 2023-10-13 9:29 ` Will Deacon 2023-10-12 17:26 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-12 17:26 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-13 9:29 ` Will Deacon 2023-10-13 9:29 ` Will Deacon 2023-10-13 13:08 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-13 13:08 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-13 13:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-13 13:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-19 11:07 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-19 11:07 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-19 11:51 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-19 11:51 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-20 11:21 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-20 11:21 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-20 11:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-20 11:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-20 14:03 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-10-20 14:03 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-10-20 14:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-20 14:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-10-19 13:35 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-10-19 13:35 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-10-13 15:28 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-10-13 15:28 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-10-19 11:12 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-19 11:12 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-11-09 15:34 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-11-09 15:34 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-11-10 14:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-11-10 14:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2023-11-13 0:42 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-11-13 0:42 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi 2023-11-13 17:41 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-11-13 17:41 ` Catalin Marinas 2023-10-12 12:27 ` Will Deacon 2023-10-12 12:27 ` Will Deacon
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