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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: Daniel Phillips <daniel@phunq.net>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	tux3@tux3.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [FYI] tux3: Core changes
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 11:01:12 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1505201058540.25699@nftneq.ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <555CB4B6.8050305@phunq.net>

On Wed, 20 May 2015, Daniel Phillips wrote:

> On 05/20/2015 07:44 AM, Jan Kara wrote:
>>   Yeah, that's what I meant. If you create a function which manipulates
>> page cache, you better make it work with other functions manipulating page
>> cache. Otherwise it's a landmine waiting to be tripped by some unsuspecting
>> developer. Sure you can document all the conditions under which the
>> function is safe to use but a function that has several paragraphs in front
>> of it explaning when it is safe to use isn't very good API...
>
> Violent agreement, of course. To put it in concrete terms, each of
> the page fork support functions must be examined and determined
> sane. They are:
>
> * cow_replace_page_cache
> * cow_delete_from_page_cache
> * cow_clone_page
> * page_cow_one
> * page_cow_file
>
> Would it be useful to drill down into those, starting from the top
> of the list?

It's a little more than determining that these 5 functions are sane, it's making 
sure that if someone mixes the use of these functions with other existing 
functions that the result is sane.

but it's probably a good starting point to look at each of these five functions 
in detail and consider how they work and could interact badly with other things 
touching the page cache.

David Lang

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: Daniel Phillips <daniel@phunq.net>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	tux3@tux3.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [FYI] tux3: Core changes
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 11:01:12 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1505201058540.25699@nftneq.ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <555CB4B6.8050305@phunq.net>

On Wed, 20 May 2015, Daniel Phillips wrote:

> On 05/20/2015 07:44 AM, Jan Kara wrote:
>>   Yeah, that's what I meant. If you create a function which manipulates
>> page cache, you better make it work with other functions manipulating page
>> cache. Otherwise it's a landmine waiting to be tripped by some unsuspecting
>> developer. Sure you can document all the conditions under which the
>> function is safe to use but a function that has several paragraphs in front
>> of it explaning when it is safe to use isn't very good API...
>
> Violent agreement, of course. To put it in concrete terms, each of
> the page fork support functions must be examined and determined
> sane. They are:
>
> * cow_replace_page_cache
> * cow_delete_from_page_cache
> * cow_clone_page
> * page_cow_one
> * page_cow_file
>
> Would it be useful to drill down into those, starting from the top
> of the list?

It's a little more than determining that these 5 functions are sane, it's making 
sure that if someone mixes the use of these functions with other existing 
functions that the result is sane.

but it's probably a good starting point to look at each of these five functions 
in detail and consider how they work and could interact badly with other things 
touching the page cache.

David Lang

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-20 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-28 23:13 Tux3 Report: How fast can we fsync? Daniel Phillips
2015-04-28 23:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29  2:21 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-29  6:01   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29  6:01     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29  6:20     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29  6:56       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29  6:56         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29  6:33     ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-29  7:23       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29  7:23         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 16:42         ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-29 19:05           ` xfs: does mkfs.xfs require fancy switches to get decent performance? (was Tux3 Report: How fast can we fsync?) Mike Galbraith
2015-04-29 19:20             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 21:12             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30  4:40               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30  0:20             ` Dave Chinner
2015-04-30  3:35               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30  9:00               ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-30  9:00                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-30 14:57                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-30 15:59                   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 17:59                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-30 11:14               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 12:07                 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 12:58                   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 12:58                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 13:48                     ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 14:07                       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 14:28                         ` Howard Chu
2015-04-30 14:28                           ` Howard Chu
2015-04-30 15:14                           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 16:00                             ` Howard Chu
2015-04-30 18:22                             ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-11 22:12                             ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-11 23:17                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-05-12  2:34                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12  5:38                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-12  6:18                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12  6:18                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 18:39                                       ` David Lang
2015-05-12 20:54                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 21:30                                           ` David Lang
2015-05-12 22:27                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 22:35                                               ` David Lang
2015-05-12 23:55                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-05-13  1:26                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 19:09                                                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-05-13 19:37                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 20:02                                                       ` Jeremy Allison
2015-05-13 20:02                                                         ` Jeremy Allison
2015-05-13 20:24                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 20:25                                                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-05-13 20:38                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 21:10                                                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-05-13  0:31                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 21:30                                           ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-13  7:20                                           ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-13 13:47                                             ` Elifarley Callado Coelho Cruz
2015-05-12  9:03                                   ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-12  9:03                                     ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-12 11:22                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 13:26                                       ` Howard Chu
2015-05-11 23:53                               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-11 23:53                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12  0:12                                 ` David Lang
2015-05-12  4:36                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 17:30                                     ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-13  7:25                                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-13 11:31                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 12:41                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 13:08                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-13 13:15                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 14:33                         ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 15:24                           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 15:24                             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 20:40           ` Tux3 Report: How fast can we fsync? Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 20:40             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-29 22:06             ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-04-29 22:06               ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-04-30  3:57               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30  3:50             ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-30 10:59               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30  1:46 ` Dave Chinner
2015-04-30 10:28   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 10:28     ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found]     ` <55420EAC.5040900@suse.com>
2015-04-30 11:36       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-04-30 13:19         ` Filipe David Manana
2015-04-30 13:25           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-01 15:38     ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-01 23:20       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-02  1:07         ` David Lang
2015-05-02 10:26           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-02 16:00             ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-02 16:30               ` Richard Weinberger
2015-05-02 17:00                 ` Christian Stroetmann
2015-05-12 17:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-12 17:46 ` Tux3 Report: How fast can we fail? Daniel Phillips
2015-05-13 22:07   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 10:03   ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-26 10:03     ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-27  6:41     ` Mosis Tembo
2015-05-27 18:28       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27 18:28         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27 21:39         ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-27 22:46           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-28 12:55             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-05-27  7:37     ` Mosis Tembo
2015-05-27 14:04       ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-05-27 15:21         ` Mosis Tembo
2015-05-27 15:37           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-05-14  7:37 ` [WIP] tux3: Optimized fsync Daniel Phillips
2015-05-14  8:26 ` [FYI] tux3: Core changes Daniel Phillips
2015-05-14 12:59   ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-15  0:06     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15  0:06       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15  3:06       ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-15  8:09         ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-15  9:54           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15  9:54             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15 11:00             ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-16 22:38               ` David Lang
2015-05-18 12:57                 ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-18 12:57                   ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-15  9:38         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15  9:38           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27  7:41           ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-27 18:09             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27 18:09               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27 21:37               ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-27 22:33                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-15  8:05       ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-17 13:26     ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-05-18  2:20       ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-18  7:58         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-05-19  4:46         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-21 19:43     ` [WIP][PATCH] tux3: preliminatry nospace handling Daniel Phillips
2015-05-19 14:00   ` [FYI] tux3: Core changes Jan Kara
2015-05-19 19:18     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-19 20:33       ` David Lang
2015-05-19 20:33         ` David Lang
2015-05-20 14:44         ` Jan Kara
2015-05-20 16:22           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-20 18:01             ` David Lang [this message]
2015-05-20 18:01               ` David Lang
2015-05-20 19:53             ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-20 19:53               ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-20 22:51               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-20 22:51                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-21  3:24                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-21  3:51                   ` David Lang
2015-05-21 19:53                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-21 19:53                       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  4:25                       ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-26  4:25                         ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-26  4:30                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  4:30                           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  6:04                           ` David Lang
2015-05-26  6:04                             ` David Lang
2015-05-26  6:11                             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  6:13                               ` David Lang
2015-05-26  6:13                                 ` David Lang
2015-05-26  8:09                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  8:09                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 10:13                                   ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-26 10:13                                     ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-26  7:09                               ` Jan Kara
2015-05-26  8:08                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  8:08                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26  9:00                                   ` Jan Kara
2015-05-26  9:00                                     ` Jan Kara
2015-05-26 20:22                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 21:36                                       ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-26 21:49                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-26 21:49                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-05-27  8:41                                       ` Jan Kara
2015-06-21 15:36                                         ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-06-21 15:36                                           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-06-23 16:12                                           ` Jan Kara
2015-07-05 12:54                                             ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-07-05 12:54                                               ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-07-09 16:05                                               ` Jan Kara
2015-07-09 16:05                                                 ` Jan Kara
2015-07-31  4:44                                                 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-07-31 15:37                                                   ` Raymond Jennings
2015-07-31 17:27                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 17:27                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 18:29                                                       ` David Lang
2015-07-31 18:29                                                         ` David Lang
2015-07-31 18:43                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 18:43                                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 22:12                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 22:12                                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2015-07-31 22:27                                                           ` David Lang
2015-08-01  0:00                                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2015-08-01  0:00                                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-08-01  0:16                                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2015-08-01  0:16                                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2015-08-03 13:07                                                                 ` Jan Kara
2015-08-01 10:55                                                             ` Elifarley Callado Coelho Cruz
2015-08-18 16:39                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2015-08-03 13:42                                                   ` Jan Kara
2015-08-03 13:42                                                     ` Jan Kara
2015-08-09 13:42                                                     ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-08-10 12:45                                                       ` Jan Kara
2015-08-10 12:45                                                         ` Jan Kara
2015-08-16 19:42                                                         ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2015-05-26 10:22                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-05-26 12:33                                     ` Jan Kara
2015-05-26 12:33                                       ` Jan Kara
2015-05-26 19:18                                     ` Daniel Phillips

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