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From: Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>
To: Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com>
Cc: Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	Andrii Anisov <andrii_anisov@epam.com>,
	Volodymyr Babchuk <vlad.babchuk@gmail.com>,
	george.dunlap@citrix.com, Xen Devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
	Julien Grall <julien.grall@arm.com>,
	Artem Mygaiev <joculator@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ARM] Native application design and discussion (I hope)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 11:29:08 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1705091127390.24729@sstabellini-ThinkPad-X260> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1494328112.9501.9.camel@citrix.com>

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On Tue, 9 May 2017, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > > And it should not be hard to give such code access to the context
> > > of
> > > the vCPU that was previously running (in x86, given we implement
> > > what
> > > we call lazy context switch, it's most likely still loaded in the
> > > pCPU!).
> > 
> > I agree with Stefano, switching to the idle vCPU is a pretty bad
> > idea.
> > 
> > the idle vCPU is a fake vCPU on ARM to stick with the common code
> > (we 
> > never leave the hypervisor). In the case of the EL0 app, we want to 
> > change exception level to run the code with lower privilege.
> > 
> > Also IHMO, it should only be used when there are nothing to run and
> > not 
> > re-purposed for running EL0 app.
> > 
> It's already purposed for running when there is nothing to do _or_ when
> there are tasklets.
> 
> I do see your point about privilege level, though. And I agree with
> George that it looks very similar to when, in the x86 world, we tried
> to put the infra together for switching to Ring3 to run some pieces of
> Xen code.

Right, and just to add to it, context switching to the idle vcpu has a
cost, but it doesn't give us any security benefits whatsever. If Xen is
going to spend time on context switching, it is better to do it in a
way that introduces a security boundary.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-09 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-06 20:21 [ARM] Native application design and discussion (I hope) Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-04-06 21:31 ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-04-07 11:03   ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-04-07 23:36     ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-04-11 20:32       ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-04-12 18:13         ` Dario Faggioli
2017-04-12 19:17           ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-04-20 20:20             ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-04-21 14:42               ` Andrii Anisov
2017-04-21 15:49                 ` Julien Grall
2017-04-21 16:08                   ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-04-21 16:20                   ` Andrii Anisov
2017-04-21 20:58                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-04-21 21:17                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-04-24 16:56                   ` Andrii Anisov
2017-04-24 18:08                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-04-25 10:15                       ` Andrii Anisov
2017-05-05 10:51                       ` Andrii Anisov
2017-05-05 19:28                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-05-08 10:46                           ` George Dunlap
2017-05-08 18:31                             ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-05-08 18:33                               ` Julien Grall
2017-05-09  8:53                               ` George Dunlap
2017-05-10 16:38                                 ` Andrii Anisov
2017-05-09 10:13                           ` Dario Faggioli
2017-05-09 10:32                             ` Julien Grall
2017-05-09 11:08                               ` Dario Faggioli
2017-05-09 11:19                                 ` Julien Grall
2017-05-09 18:29                                 ` Stefano Stabellini [this message]
2017-05-10  9:56                                   ` George Dunlap
2017-05-10 10:00                                     ` Julien Grall
2017-05-10 10:03                                       ` George Dunlap
2017-05-10 10:48                                         ` Julien Grall
2017-05-10 17:37                                           ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-05-10 18:05                                             ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-05-10 19:04                                             ` Julien Grall
2017-05-11 10:07                                               ` Julien Grall
2017-05-11 11:28                                                 ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-05-10 18:08                                     ` Andrii Anisov
2017-05-10 18:24                                       ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-05-11 15:19                                         ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-05-11 15:35                                           ` Modules support in Xen (WAS: Re: [ARM] Native application design and discussion (I hope)) Julien Grall
2017-05-11 16:35                                             ` George Dunlap
2017-05-11 17:14                                               ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-05-11 17:20                                                 ` George Dunlap
2017-05-11 17:53                                                   ` Lars Kurth
2017-05-11 17:14                                             ` George Dunlap
2017-05-11 17:16                                               ` George Dunlap
2017-05-11 18:13                                               ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-05-12 11:48                                                 ` George Dunlap
2017-05-12 18:43                                                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-05-12 19:04                                                     ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-05-15 11:21                                                       ` George Dunlap
2017-05-15 17:32                                                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-05-11 18:04                                             ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-05-11 18:39                                               ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-05-05 11:09                       ` [ARM] Native application design and discussion (I hope) Andrii Anisov
2017-04-24 19:11                     ` Julien Grall
2017-04-24 21:41                       ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-04-25 11:43                         ` Julien Grall
2017-04-26 21:44                           ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-04-27 17:26                             ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-05-02 12:52                               ` Julien Grall
2017-05-02 12:42                             ` Julien Grall
2017-04-25  8:52                       ` Andrii Anisov
2017-04-21 15:57               ` Julien Grall
2017-04-21 16:16                 ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-04-21 16:47                   ` Julien Grall
2017-04-21 17:04                     ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-04-21 17:38                       ` Julien Grall
2017-04-21 18:35                         ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-04-24 11:00                           ` Julien Grall
2017-04-24 21:29                             ` Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-04-21 21:24                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-04-24 16:14                           ` Andrii Anisov
2017-04-24 16:46                           ` Andrii Anisov
2017-04-27 15:25                           ` George Dunlap
2017-05-02 12:45                             ` Julien Grall
2017-05-12 18:47 Volodymyr Babchuk
2017-05-15 12:51 ` George Dunlap
2017-05-15 17:35   ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-05-15 13:54 ` Andrii Anisov

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