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From: Finn Thain <fthain@telegraphics.com.au>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: Chris Boot <bootc@bootc.net>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, target-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	Chuhong Yuan <hslester96@gmail.com>,
	Nicholas Bellinger <nab@linux-iscsi.org>,
	Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] scsi: target/sbp: remove firewire SBP target driver
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:21:39 +1000 (AEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.22.394.2006171310520.11@nippy.intranet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq18sgml9ds.fsf@ca-mkp.ca.oracle.com>

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020, Martin K. Petersen wrote:

> > I haven't used this driver for a long time, but I still own PowerMacs 
> > with firewire, and I know I'm not the only one.
> 

I need to correct what I wrote above. I recall that years ago, when I 
needed to share storage from my Linux box to my PowerBook pismo, I used 
ethernet and the globalSAN iSCSI initiator for Mac OS X (which is no 
longer freely available AFAICS). When I said that I had used the SBP 
target driver before, I misremembered that iSCSI target setup. I've 
actually never used the SBP target driver.

> I also have old 1394 hardware kicking around in the basement. But having 
> worked with FireWire shared storage targets in the past, I have zero 
> desire to ever touch any of that again.
> 
> I could understand an objection if we were to entertain removing sbp2. 
> But really, how many people are setting up FireWire targets?
> 

It's a good question. I don't know the answer.

I have successfully used the Linux sbp2 host driver in the past, and will 
probably need to use it again. Likewise, I can see myself using the sbp 
target driver in the future because that might interoperate with MacOS 9, 
and might provide a bootable device to the PowerMac ROM. iSCSI cannot do 
those things.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Finn Thain <fthain@telegraphics.com.au>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: Chris Boot <bootc@bootc.net>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, target-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	Chuhong Yuan <hslester96@gmail.com>,
	Nicholas Bellinger <nab@linux-iscsi.org>,
	Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] scsi: target/sbp: remove firewire SBP target driver
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 04:21:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.22.394.2006171310520.11@nippy.intranet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq18sgml9ds.fsf@ca-mkp.ca.oracle.com>

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020, Martin K. Petersen wrote:

> > I haven't used this driver for a long time, but I still own PowerMacs 
> > with firewire, and I know I'm not the only one.
> 

I need to correct what I wrote above. I recall that years ago, when I 
needed to share storage from my Linux box to my PowerBook pismo, I used 
ethernet and the globalSAN iSCSI initiator for Mac OS X (which is no 
longer freely available AFAICS). When I said that I had used the SBP 
target driver before, I misremembered that iSCSI target setup. I've 
actually never used the SBP target driver.

> I also have old 1394 hardware kicking around in the basement. But having 
> worked with FireWire shared storage targets in the past, I have zero 
> desire to ever touch any of that again.
> 
> I could understand an objection if we were to entertain removing sbp2. 
> But really, how many people are setting up FireWire targets?
> 

It's a good question. I don't know the answer.

I have successfully used the Linux sbp2 host driver in the past, and will 
probably need to use it again. Likewise, I can see myself using the sbp 
target driver in the future because that might interoperate with MacOS 9, 
and might provide a bootable device to the PowerMac ROM. iSCSI cannot do 
those things.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Finn Thain <fthain@telegraphics.com.au>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: Chris Boot <bootc@bootc.net>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, Chuhong Yuan <hslester96@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Nicholas Bellinger <nab@linux-iscsi.org>,
	target-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] scsi: target/sbp: remove firewire SBP target driver
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:21:39 +1000 (AEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.22.394.2006171310520.11@nippy.intranet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq18sgml9ds.fsf@ca-mkp.ca.oracle.com>

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020, Martin K. Petersen wrote:

> > I haven't used this driver for a long time, but I still own PowerMacs 
> > with firewire, and I know I'm not the only one.
> 

I need to correct what I wrote above. I recall that years ago, when I 
needed to share storage from my Linux box to my PowerBook pismo, I used 
ethernet and the globalSAN iSCSI initiator for Mac OS X (which is no 
longer freely available AFAICS). When I said that I had used the SBP 
target driver before, I misremembered that iSCSI target setup. I've 
actually never used the SBP target driver.

> I also have old 1394 hardware kicking around in the basement. But having 
> worked with FireWire shared storage targets in the past, I have zero 
> desire to ever touch any of that again.
> 
> I could understand an objection if we were to entertain removing sbp2. 
> But really, how many people are setting up FireWire targets?
> 

It's a good question. I don't know the answer.

I have successfully used the Linux sbp2 host driver in the past, and will 
probably need to use it again. Likewise, I can see myself using the sbp 
target driver in the future because that might interoperate with MacOS 9, 
and might provide a bootable device to the PowerMac ROM. iSCSI cannot do 
those things.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-17  4:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-13  8:37 [PATCH] scsi: target/sbp: remove SBP target driver Chris Boot
2020-06-13  8:37 ` Chris Boot
2020-06-14  0:03 ` [PATCH] scsi: target/sbp: remove firewire " Finn Thain
2020-06-14  0:03   ` Finn Thain
2020-06-14  0:03   ` Finn Thain
2020-06-14 10:34   ` Chris Boot
2020-06-14 10:34     ` Chris Boot
2020-06-14 10:34     ` Chris Boot
2020-06-14 23:28     ` Finn Thain
2020-06-14 23:28       ` Finn Thain
2020-06-14 23:28       ` Finn Thain
2020-06-15 15:00       ` Chris Boot
2020-06-15 15:00         ` Chris Boot
2020-06-15 15:00         ` Chris Boot
2020-06-16  9:42         ` Finn Thain
2020-06-16  9:42           ` Finn Thain
2020-06-16  9:42           ` Finn Thain
2020-06-16 14:08           ` Bart Van Assche
2020-06-16 14:08             ` Bart Van Assche
2020-06-16 14:08             ` Bart Van Assche
2020-06-16 14:13             ` Johannes Thumshirn
2020-06-16 14:13               ` Johannes Thumshirn
2020-06-16 14:13               ` Johannes Thumshirn
2020-06-16 15:34               ` James Bottomley
2020-06-16 15:34                 ` James Bottomley
2020-06-16 15:34                 ` James Bottomley
2020-06-16 17:59                 ` Chris Boot
2020-06-16 17:59                   ` Chris Boot
2020-06-16 17:59                   ` Chris Boot
2020-06-17  3:09                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-17  3:09                     ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-17  3:09                     ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-18  0:40                     ` Finn Thain
2020-06-18  0:40                       ` Finn Thain
2020-06-18  0:40                       ` Finn Thain
2020-06-17  2:07             ` Finn Thain
2020-06-17  2:07               ` Finn Thain
2020-06-17  2:07               ` Finn Thain
2021-01-04 17:43               ` Bart Van Assche
2021-01-04 17:43                 ` Bart Van Assche
2021-01-04 22:50                 ` Finn Thain
2021-01-04 22:50                   ` Finn Thain
2021-01-05  1:48                   ` Bart Van Assche
2021-01-05  1:48                     ` Bart Van Assche
2020-06-17  2:35   ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-17  2:35     ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-17  2:35     ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-06-17  4:21     ` Finn Thain [this message]
2020-06-17  4:21       ` Finn Thain
2020-06-17  4:21       ` Finn Thain

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