dosemu and accessibility

dosemu and accessibility

[Jude DaShiell]

Well it turns out running dosemu in -dumb mode makes it possible for 
dosemu to come up talking with espeakup which is one of the screen readers 
on linux.  I put a .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc file together since a 
long-standing friend has some dos applications he'd like to run and both 
of us are blind.  He likely hasn't got long to live so this for me was a 
front burner job.
So far as I can tell, sdl doesn't work with screen readers and using 
dosemu we get around that problem.

Re: dosemu and accessibility

[Julius Schwartzenberg]

Hi Jude,

Op 29-03-2021 om 10:43 schreef Jude DaShiell:
> I put a .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc file together since a 
> long-standing friend has some dos applications he'd like to run and both 
> of us are blind.
I saw some of your previous messages and I think it is important to 
highlight that as you are blind, you are using different equipment than 
what previous respondents probably assumed you were using.

This mailing list is barely used anymore by the rest of the DOSEMU user 
community and so are all the 1.x versions of DOSEMU. There is now a 
GitHub project started by Stas, the DOSEMU 2 project, with versioning to 
be 2.x based and interaction went over to the infrastructure that GitHub 
is providing. The accessibility consequences of this were most likely 
never taken into consideration.

Unfortunately it is not something that can be changed overnight, but I 
think it would be appropriate to strive to fix this, especially if you 
would be interested in being more involved and/or there might be even 
more DOSEMU users in a similar situation.

My proposal would be to set up some simple webpages that are friendly to 
screen readers and braille devices as part of the new DOSEMU 2 project 
with instructions to install newer packages particularly for 
distributions that handle screen readers and braille screens well or at 
least the distributions popular among users of such devices. Maybe your 
.dosemurc and .mtoolsrc could be provided as well.

There could possibly be an instruction to sign up your e-mail address as 
a so-called watcher to the DOSEMU 2 project or maybe we could link this 
mailing list so it watches the DOSEMU 2 project. The amount of traffic 
is quite significant, on some days only a few messages, but sometimes 
there might be over 20 mails a day. Note that you can respond to those 
messages by e-mail and the replies will by part of the conversation as 
usual.
Searching online I found a community on GitHub called Blind Computing. 
Maybe we could ask them for advice.

How easy would it be for you to upgrade to a newer DOSEMU if packages 
are not provided by your distribution? Which distribution are you using?
What do you think of my proposals regarding the mails?

Here is the GitHub project for DOSEMU 2, I do not know if you can access 
it comfortably:
https://github.com/dosemu2

Here is the page on the Blind Computing website about contributing to 
their GitHub project:
https://blindcomputing.org/contributing/

Best regards,
Julius

Re: dosemu and accessibility

[Jude DaShiell]

Hi, I have cloned stuff from github before and built it on my system. 
This distribution is slint.  When packages are new, slackbuilds.org may 
have a SlackBuild script made for the package so others can install it on 
slint and on slackware.  Slint is slackware international version and is 
at https://slint.fr/.  All of this work was done in dosemu 1.4.0.8.
I learned sdl exposes no accessibility information at all so it's 
unuseable for any screen readers.  I thought that was the case and got it 
confirmed by a sighted person doing accessibility work on orca.  I'm 
running dosemu with espeakup and will try it later with provox and tdsr 
two other console screen readers.
Better yet to move on up to dosemu2 as well.  Thanks for the heads up on 
this and if dosemu2 has its own email list I'd like to subscribe to that 
one.


On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote:

> Hi Jude,
>
> Op 29-03-2021 om 10:43 schreef Jude DaShiell:
>>  I put a .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc file together since a long-standing friend
>>  has some dos applications he'd like to run and both of us are blind.
> I saw some of your previous messages and I think it is important to highlight 
> that as you are blind, you are using different equipment than what previous 
> respondents probably assumed you were using.
>
> This mailing list is barely used anymore by the rest of the DOSEMU user 
> community and so are all the 1.x versions of DOSEMU. There is now a GitHub 
> project started by Stas, the DOSEMU 2 project, with versioning to be 2.x 
> based and interaction went over to the infrastructure that GitHub is 
> providing. The accessibility consequences of this were most likely never 
> taken into consideration.
>
> Unfortunately it is not something that can be changed overnight, but I think 
> it would be appropriate to strive to fix this, especially if you would be 
> interested in being more involved and/or there might be even more DOSEMU 
> users in a similar situation.
>
> My proposal would be to set up some simple webpages that are friendly to 
> screen readers and braille devices as part of the new DOSEMU 2 project with 
> instructions to install newer packages particularly for distributions that 
> handle screen readers and braille screens well or at least the distributions 
> popular among users of such devices. Maybe your .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc could 
> be provided as well.
>
> There could possibly be an instruction to sign up your e-mail address as a 
> so-called watcher to the DOSEMU 2 project or maybe we could link this mailing 
> list so it watches the DOSEMU 2 project. The amount of traffic is quite 
> significant, on some days only a few messages, but sometimes there might be 
> over 20 mails a day. Note that you can respond to those messages by e-mail 
> and the replies will by part of the conversation as usual.
> Searching online I found a community on GitHub called Blind Computing. Maybe 
> we could ask them for advice.
>
> How easy would it be for you to upgrade to a newer DOSEMU if packages are not 
> provided by your distribution? Which distribution are you using?
> What do you think of my proposals regarding the mails?
>
> Here is the GitHub project for DOSEMU 2, I do not know if you can access it 
> comfortably:
> https://github.com/dosemu2
>
> Here is the page on the Blind Computing website about contributing to their 
> GitHub project:
> https://blindcomputing.org/contributing/
>
> Best regards,
> Julius
>

Re: dosemu and accessibility

[Julius Schwartzenberg]

Are mail replies at the top easier for you to process?

It would be better to move to DOSEMU2 as nobody can really help with the 
older version anymore. Do you have the ability to sign up for a GitHub 
account? To receive the mails on dosemu2 one has to log on to GitHub and 
press "watch" and then "all activity" at the top of of this page:
https://github.com/dosemu2/dosemu2

Let it know if that turns out to be difficult. Using dumb or terminal 
mode would indeed seem the easiest way to have dosemu accessible as 
those modes are entirely text based. Are you aware of graphical software 
for dos that has accessibility features?

Op 30-03-2021 om 21:59 schreef Jude DaShiell:
> Hi, I have cloned stuff from github before and built it on my system. 
> This distribution is slint.  When packages are new, slackbuilds.org may 
> have a SlackBuild script made for the package so others can install it 
> on slint and on slackware.  Slint is slackware international version and 
> is at https://slint.fr/.  All of this work was done in dosemu 1.4.0.8.
> I learned sdl exposes no accessibility information at all so it's 
> unuseable for any screen readers.  I thought that was the case and got 
> it confirmed by a sighted person doing accessibility work on orca.  I'm 
> running dosemu with espeakup and will try it later with provox and tdsr 
> two other console screen readers.
> Better yet to move on up to dosemu2 as well.  Thanks for the heads up on 
> this and if dosemu2 has its own email list I'd like to subscribe to that 
> one.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jude,
>>
>> Op 29-03-2021 om 10:43 schreef Jude DaShiell:
>>>  I put a .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc file together since a long-standing 
>>> friend
>>>  has some dos applications he'd like to run and both of us are blind.
>> I saw some of your previous messages and I think it is important to 
>> highlight that as you are blind, you are using different equipment 
>> than what previous respondents probably assumed you were using.
>>
>> This mailing list is barely used anymore by the rest of the DOSEMU 
>> user community and so are all the 1.x versions of DOSEMU. There is now 
>> a GitHub project started by Stas, the DOSEMU 2 project, with 
>> versioning to be 2.x based and interaction went over to the 
>> infrastructure that GitHub is providing. The accessibility 
>> consequences of this were most likely never taken into consideration.
>>
>> Unfortunately it is not something that can be changed overnight, but I 
>> think it would be appropriate to strive to fix this, especially if you 
>> would be interested in being more involved and/or there might be even 
>> more DOSEMU users in a similar situation.
>>
>> My proposal would be to set up some simple webpages that are friendly 
>> to screen readers and braille devices as part of the new DOSEMU 2 
>> project with instructions to install newer packages particularly for 
>> distributions that handle screen readers and braille screens well or 
>> at least the distributions popular among users of such devices. Maybe 
>> your .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc could be provided as well.
>>
>> There could possibly be an instruction to sign up your e-mail address 
>> as a so-called watcher to the DOSEMU 2 project or maybe we could link 
>> this mailing list so it watches the DOSEMU 2 project. The amount of 
>> traffic is quite significant, on some days only a few messages, but 
>> sometimes there might be over 20 mails a day. Note that you can 
>> respond to those messages by e-mail and the replies will by part of 
>> the conversation as usual.
>> Searching online I found a community on GitHub called Blind Computing. 
>> Maybe we could ask them for advice.
>>
>> How easy would it be for you to upgrade to a newer DOSEMU if packages 
>> are not provided by your distribution? Which distribution are you using?
>> What do you think of my proposals regarding the mails?
>>
>> Here is the GitHub project for DOSEMU 2, I do not know if you can 
>> access it comfortably:
>> https://github.com/dosemu2
>>
>> Here is the page on the Blind Computing website about contributing to 
>> their GitHub project:
>> https://blindcomputing.org/contributing/
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Julius
>>

Re: dosemu and accessibility

[Jude DaShiell]

Yes, easier to get to with top posting.  Slackware hasn't yet got dosemu2 
but archlinux has it in git and since hard drives are interchangeable here 
I can run archlinux.



On Wed, 31 Mar 2021, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote:

> Are mail replies at the top easier for you to process?
>
> It would be better to move to DOSEMU2 as nobody can really help with the 
> older version anymore. Do you have the ability to sign up for a GitHub 
> account? To receive the mails on dosemu2 one has to log on to GitHub and 
> press "watch" and then "all activity" at the top of of this page:
> https://github.com/dosemu2/dosemu2
>
> Let it know if that turns out to be difficult. Using dumb or terminal mode 
> would indeed seem the easiest way to have dosemu accessible as those modes 
> are entirely text based. Are you aware of graphical software for dos that has 
> accessibility features?
>
> Op 30-03-2021 om 21:59 schreef Jude DaShiell:
>>  Hi, I have cloned stuff from github before and built it on my system. This
>>  distribution is slint.  When packages are new, slackbuilds.org may have a
>>  SlackBuild script made for the package so others can install it on slint
>>  and on slackware.  Slint is slackware international version and is at
>>  https://slint.fr/.  All of this work was done in dosemu 1.4.0.8.
>>  I learned sdl exposes no accessibility information at all so it's
>>  unuseable for any screen readers.  I thought that was the case and got it
>>  confirmed by a sighted person doing accessibility work on orca.  I'm
>>  running dosemu with espeakup and will try it later with provox and tdsr
>>  two other console screen readers.
>>  Better yet to move on up to dosemu2 as well.  Thanks for the heads up on
>>  this and if dosemu2 has its own email list I'd like to subscribe to that
>>  one.
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi Jude,
>>>
>>>  Op 29-03-2021 om 10:43 schreef Jude DaShiell:
>>>>   I put a .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc file together since a long-standing
>>>>  friend
>>>>   has some dos applications he'd like to run and both of us are blind.
>>>  I saw some of your previous messages and I think it is important to
>>>  highlight that as you are blind, you are using different equipment than
>>>  what previous respondents probably assumed you were using.
>>>
>>>  This mailing list is barely used anymore by the rest of the DOSEMU user
>>>  community and so are all the 1.x versions of DOSEMU. There is now a
>>>  GitHub project started by Stas, the DOSEMU 2 project, with versioning to
>>>  be 2.x based and interaction went over to the infrastructure that GitHub
>>>  is providing. The accessibility consequences of this were most likely
>>>  never taken into consideration.
>>>
>>>  Unfortunately it is not something that can be changed overnight, but I
>>>  think it would be appropriate to strive to fix this, especially if you
>>>  would be interested in being more involved and/or there might be even
>>>  more DOSEMU users in a similar situation.
>>>
>>>  My proposal would be to set up some simple webpages that are friendly to
>>>  screen readers and braille devices as part of the new DOSEMU 2 project
>>>  with instructions to install newer packages particularly for
>>>  distributions that handle screen readers and braille screens well or at
>>>  least the distributions popular among users of such devices. Maybe your
>>>  .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc could be provided as well.
>>>
>>>  There could possibly be an instruction to sign up your e-mail address as
>>>  a so-called watcher to the DOSEMU 2 project or maybe we could link this
>>>  mailing list so it watches the DOSEMU 2 project. The amount of traffic is
>>>  quite significant, on some days only a few messages, but sometimes there
>>>  might be over 20 mails a day. Note that you can respond to those messages
>>>  by e-mail and the replies will by part of the conversation as usual.
>>>  Searching online I found a community on GitHub called Blind Computing.
>>>  Maybe we could ask them for advice.
>>>
>>>  How easy would it be for you to upgrade to a newer DOSEMU if packages are
>>>  not provided by your distribution? Which distribution are you using?
>>>  What do you think of my proposals regarding the mails?
>>>
>>>  Here is the GitHub project for DOSEMU 2, I do not know if you can access
>>>  it comfortably:
>>>  https://github.com/dosemu2
>>>
>>>  Here is the page on the Blind Computing website about contributing to
>>>  their GitHub project:
>>>  https://blindcomputing.org/contributing/
>>>
>>>  Best regards,
>>>  Julius
>>> 
>

Re: dosemu and accessibility

[Julius Schwartzenberg]

Alright, I will continue with top posting then. I think arch would help 
a lot as it has more packages, also through AUR. I would recommend 
starting from scratch and installing the fdpp, comcom32 and dosemu2 
packages. fdpp and comcom32 provide a DOS environment inside dosemu2, so 
you do not have to provide a copy of dos. You can still do so if that is 
preferable however.

Op 31-03-2021 om 14:13 schreef Jude DaShiell:
> Yes, easier to get to with top posting.  Slackware hasn't yet got 
> dosemu2 but archlinux has it in git and since hard drives are 
> interchangeable here I can run archlinux.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote:
> 
>> Are mail replies at the top easier for you to process?
>>
>> It would be better to move to DOSEMU2 as nobody can really help with 
>> the older version anymore. Do you have the ability to sign up for a 
>> GitHub account? To receive the mails on dosemu2 one has to log on to 
>> GitHub and press "watch" and then "all activity" at the top of of this 
>> page:
>> https://github.com/dosemu2/dosemu2
>>
>> Let it know if that turns out to be difficult. Using dumb or terminal 
>> mode would indeed seem the easiest way to have dosemu accessible as 
>> those modes are entirely text based. Are you aware of graphical 
>> software for dos that has accessibility features?
>>
>> Op 30-03-2021 om 21:59 schreef Jude DaShiell:
>>>  Hi, I have cloned stuff from github before and built it on my 
>>> system. This
>>>  distribution is slint.  When packages are new, slackbuilds.org may 
>>> have a
>>>  SlackBuild script made for the package so others can install it on 
>>> slint
>>>  and on slackware.  Slint is slackware international version and is at
>>>  https://slint.fr/.  All of this work was done in dosemu 1.4.0.8.
>>>  I learned sdl exposes no accessibility information at all so it's
>>>  unuseable for any screen readers.  I thought that was the case and 
>>> got it
>>>  confirmed by a sighted person doing accessibility work on orca.  I'm
>>>  running dosemu with espeakup and will try it later with provox and tdsr
>>>  two other console screen readers.
>>>  Better yet to move on up to dosemu2 as well.  Thanks for the heads 
>>> up on
>>>  this and if dosemu2 has its own email list I'd like to subscribe to 
>>> that
>>>  one.
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Hi Jude,
>>>>
>>>>  Op 29-03-2021 om 10:43 schreef Jude DaShiell:
>>>>>   I put a .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc file together since a long-standing
>>>>>  friend
>>>>>   has some dos applications he'd like to run and both of us are blind.
>>>>  I saw some of your previous messages and I think it is important to
>>>>  highlight that as you are blind, you are using different equipment 
>>>> than
>>>>  what previous respondents probably assumed you were using.
>>>>
>>>>  This mailing list is barely used anymore by the rest of the DOSEMU 
>>>> user
>>>>  community and so are all the 1.x versions of DOSEMU. There is now a
>>>>  GitHub project started by Stas, the DOSEMU 2 project, with 
>>>> versioning to
>>>>  be 2.x based and interaction went over to the infrastructure that 
>>>> GitHub
>>>>  is providing. The accessibility consequences of this were most likely
>>>>  never taken into consideration.
>>>>
>>>>  Unfortunately it is not something that can be changed overnight, but I
>>>>  think it would be appropriate to strive to fix this, especially if you
>>>>  would be interested in being more involved and/or there might be even
>>>>  more DOSEMU users in a similar situation.
>>>>
>>>>  My proposal would be to set up some simple webpages that are 
>>>> friendly to
>>>>  screen readers and braille devices as part of the new DOSEMU 2 project
>>>>  with instructions to install newer packages particularly for
>>>>  distributions that handle screen readers and braille screens well 
>>>> or at
>>>>  least the distributions popular among users of such devices. Maybe 
>>>> your
>>>>  .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc could be provided as well.
>>>>
>>>>  There could possibly be an instruction to sign up your e-mail 
>>>> address as
>>>>  a so-called watcher to the DOSEMU 2 project or maybe we could link 
>>>> this
>>>>  mailing list so it watches the DOSEMU 2 project. The amount of 
>>>> traffic is
>>>>  quite significant, on some days only a few messages, but sometimes 
>>>> there
>>>>  might be over 20 mails a day. Note that you can respond to those 
>>>> messages
>>>>  by e-mail and the replies will by part of the conversation as usual.
>>>>  Searching online I found a community on GitHub called Blind Computing.
>>>>  Maybe we could ask them for advice.
>>>>
>>>>  How easy would it be for you to upgrade to a newer DOSEMU if 
>>>> packages are
>>>>  not provided by your distribution? Which distribution are you using?
>>>>  What do you think of my proposals regarding the mails?
>>>>
>>>>  Here is the GitHub project for DOSEMU 2, I do not know if you can 
>>>> access
>>>>  it comfortably:
>>>>  https://github.com/dosemu2
>>>>
>>>>  Here is the page on the Blind Computing website about contributing to
>>>>  their GitHub project:
>>>>  https://blindcomputing.org/contributing/
>>>>
>>>>  Best regards,
>>>>  Julius
>>>>
>>

Re: dosemu and accessibility

[Jude DaShiell]

Slint findings.  For those that don't know, slint is the international
version of slackware and has had considerable accessibility upgrades done
to it by its maintainer Didier Spaier.
Findings, most of dosemu2 will build.  The show stopper is comcom32 and
why that is is recipe for command.o fails to build.  There is no
documentation I could find in README.md or INSTALL files either.  I ran
make ultimately and ran into the command.o failure.  My guess is that
package is too debian-centric.  As near as I can tell that's the only show
stopper.  I have log files for config make and install separate for
dosemu2 since some of these are quite large so if anyone is interested in
examining them please let me know and I'll send them.  While doing this, I
was making dosemu2.org an orgmode file with installation notes for slint.
The dosemu2 run process crashed since it didn't have comcom32 or freecom
and it complained about several packages being too old.  Slackware later
this year will release slackware 15.0 so perhaps some of these old package
complaints can be resolved with that version.
I used the tee command to generate those logs so they'll likely be
readable and complete.
For now Didier Spaier has no time to build dosemu2 so I'm doing a little
path finding function for him.



On Wed, 31 Mar 2021, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote:

> Alright, I will continue with top posting then. I think arch would help a lot
> as it has more packages, also through AUR. I would recommend starting from
> scratch and installing the fdpp, comcom32 and dosemu2 packages. fdpp and
> comcom32 provide a DOS environment inside dosemu2, so you do not have to
> provide a copy of dos. You can still do so if that is preferable however.
>
> Op 31-03-2021 om 14:13 schreef Jude DaShiell:
> > Yes, easier to get to with top posting.  Slackware hasn't yet got dosemu2
> > but archlinux has it in git and since hard drives are interchangeable here I
> > can run archlinux.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 31 Mar 2021, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote:
> >
> >> Are mail replies at the top easier for you to process?
> >>
> >> It would be better to move to DOSEMU2 as nobody can really help with the
> >> older version anymore. Do you have the ability to sign up for a GitHub
> >> account? To receive the mails on dosemu2 one has to log on to GitHub and
> >> press "watch" and then "all activity" at the top of of this page:
> >> https://github.com/dosemu2/dosemu2
> >>
> >> Let it know if that turns out to be difficult. Using dumb or terminal mode
> >> would indeed seem the easiest way to have dosemu accessible as those modes
> >> are entirely text based. Are you aware of graphical software for dos that
> >> has accessibility features?
> >>
> >> Op 30-03-2021 om 21:59 schreef Jude DaShiell:
> >>>  Hi, I have cloned stuff from github before and built it on my system.
> >>> This
> >>>  distribution is slint.  When packages are new, slackbuilds.org may have a
> >>>  SlackBuild script made for the package so others can install it on slint
> >>>  and on slackware.  Slint is slackware international version and is at
> >>>  https://slint.fr/.  All of this work was done in dosemu 1.4.0.8.
> >>>  I learned sdl exposes no accessibility information at all so it's
> >>>  unuseable for any screen readers.  I thought that was the case and got it
> >>>  confirmed by a sighted person doing accessibility work on orca.  I'm
> >>>  running dosemu with espeakup and will try it later with provox and tdsr
> >>>  two other console screen readers.
> >>>  Better yet to move on up to dosemu2 as well.  Thanks for the heads up on
> >>>  this and if dosemu2 has its own email list I'd like to subscribe to that
> >>>  one.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>  Hi Jude,
> >>>>
> >>>>  Op 29-03-2021 om 10:43 schreef Jude DaShiell:
> >>>>>   I put a .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc file together since a long-standing
> >>>>>  friend
> >>>>>   has some dos applications he'd like to run and both of us are blind.
> >>>>  I saw some of your previous messages and I think it is important to
> >>>>  highlight that as you are blind, you are using different equipment than
> >>>>  what previous respondents probably assumed you were using.
> >>>>
> >>>>  This mailing list is barely used anymore by the rest of the DOSEMU user
> >>>>  community and so are all the 1.x versions of DOSEMU. There is now a
> >>>>  GitHub project started by Stas, the DOSEMU 2 project, with versioning to
> >>>>  be 2.x based and interaction went over to the infrastructure that GitHub
> >>>>  is providing. The accessibility consequences of this were most likely
> >>>>  never taken into consideration.
> >>>>
> >>>>  Unfortunately it is not something that can be changed overnight, but I
> >>>>  think it would be appropriate to strive to fix this, especially if you
> >>>>  would be interested in being more involved and/or there might be even
> >>>>  more DOSEMU users in a similar situation.
> >>>>
> >>>>  My proposal would be to set up some simple webpages that are friendly to
> >>>>  screen readers and braille devices as part of the new DOSEMU 2 project
> >>>>  with instructions to install newer packages particularly for
> >>>>  distributions that handle screen readers and braille screens well or at
> >>>>  least the distributions popular among users of such devices. Maybe your
> >>>>  .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc could be provided as well.
> >>>>
> >>>>  There could possibly be an instruction to sign up your e-mail address as
> >>>>  a so-called watcher to the DOSEMU 2 project or maybe we could link this
> >>>>  mailing list so it watches the DOSEMU 2 project. The amount of traffic
> >>>> is
> >>>>  quite significant, on some days only a few messages, but sometimes there
> >>>>  might be over 20 mails a day. Note that you can respond to those
> >>>> messages
> >>>>  by e-mail and the replies will by part of the conversation as usual.
> >>>>  Searching online I found a community on GitHub called Blind Computing.
> >>>>  Maybe we could ask them for advice.
> >>>>
> >>>>  How easy would it be for you to upgrade to a newer DOSEMU if packages
> >>>> are
> >>>>  not provided by your distribution? Which distribution are you using?
> >>>>  What do you think of my proposals regarding the mails?
> >>>>
> >>>>  Here is the GitHub project for DOSEMU 2, I do not know if you can access
> >>>>  it comfortably:
> >>>>  https://github.com/dosemu2
> >>>>
> >>>>  Here is the page on the Blind Computing website about contributing to
> >>>>  their GitHub project:
> >>>>  https://blindcomputing.org/contributing/
> >>>>
> >>>>  Best regards,
> >>>>  Julius
> >>>>
> >>
>
>

Re: dosemu and accessibility

[stsp]

02.05.2021 21:23, Jude DaShiell пишет:
> Slint findings.  For those that don't know, slint is the international
> version of slackware and has had considerable accessibility upgrades done
> to it by its maintainer Didier Spaier.
> Findings, most of dosemu2 will build.  The show stopper is comcom32 and
> why that is is recipe for command.o fails to build.

This is indeed a show-stopper most of
the time. You need djgpp to build it,
which is a great pain to build by itself.
You can try djgpp from here:
https://github.com/jwt27/build-gcc
or from here:
https://github.com/stsp/build-gcc
Maybe one of these will build.
But the common suggestion so far,
is to put the pre-built comcom32.exe
to its source dir, and do "make install",
pretending as if it was built.


> The dosemu2 run process crashed since it didn't have comcom32 or freecom

It shouldn't crash because of that.
There might be other errors too, if
it did.


> and it complained about several packages being too old.

It might be telling you that soundfonts
are not installed, in addition to fluidsynth
being too old. Installing soundfonts should
fix that.

Re: dosemu and accessibility

[Jude DaShiell]

Have we got any disadvantages building for an i386 system if this and what
it builds will most of the time be running on faster hardware than i386?
If there's no disadvantages, I'll go with the default.



On Sun, 2 May 2021, stsp wrote:

> 02.05.2021 21:23, Jude DaShiell ?????:
> > Slint findings.  For those that don't know, slint is the international
> > version of slackware and has had considerable accessibility upgrades done
> > to it by its maintainer Didier Spaier.
> > Findings, most of dosemu2 will build.  The show stopper is comcom32 and
> > why that is is recipe for command.o fails to build.
>
> This is indeed a show-stopper most of
> the time. You need djgpp to build it,
> which is a great pain to build by itself.
> You can try djgpp from here:
> https://github.com/jwt27/build-gcc
> or from here:
> https://github.com/stsp/build-gcc
> Maybe one of these will build.
> But the common suggestion so far,
> is to put the pre-built comcom32.exe
> to its source dir, and do "make install",
> pretending as if it was built.
>
>
> > The dosemu2 run process crashed since it didn't have comcom32 or freecom
>
> It shouldn't crash because of that.
> There might be other errors too, if
> it did.
>
>
> > and it complained about several packages being too old.
>
> It might be telling you that soundfonts
> are not installed, in addition to fluidsynth
> being too old. Installing soundfonts should
> fix that.
>
>

Re: dosemu and accessibility

[stsp]

02.05.2021 23:26, Jude DaShiell пишет:
> Have we got any disadvantages building for an i386 system if this and what
> it builds will most of the time be running on faster hardware than i386?

It will be running under dosemu2
rather than directly on hardware,
so that's fine. dosemu2 doesn't
yet properly support higher instruction
sets, for example the CMOV instructions
may not work in some configurations.

Re: dosemu and accessibility

[Jude DaShiell]

What are building prerequisites for the freecom package?  I have no url
for this one yet.
If it's more reasonable than comcom32, depending on its capability and
stability that may be a better way to go.



On Sun, 2 May 2021, stsp wrote:

> 02.05.2021 23:26, Jude DaShiell ?????:
> > Have we got any disadvantages building for an i386 system if this and what
> > it builds will most of the time be running on faster hardware than i386?
>
> It will be running under dosemu2
> rather than directly on hardware,
> so that's fine. dosemu2 doesn't
> yet properly support higher instruction
> sets, for example the CMOV instructions
> may not work in some configurations.
>
>

Re: dosemu and accessibility

[stsp]

02.05.2021 23:50, Jude DaShiell пишет:
> What are building prerequisites for the freecom package?

Perhaps OpenWatcom.
Which is probably an even worse
option than to mess with djgpp.


> Researching it, I just learned slackware has no soundfonts package in any
> of its repositories normally configured to work with slint.  I'm glad I'm
> documenting stuff in dosemu2.org!  Is there an url for soundfonts that
> will work once built and installed?
Likely this:

https://member.keymusician.com/Member/FluidR3_GM/index.html


> soundfonts isn't available anywhere in
> slint yet.  That's probably also on the way.
They aren't a hard requirements.
Might just generate some errors on
start, if their lack is coupled with an
outdated fluidsynth.
If you have dosemu2 crashed, its
something else.

Re: dosemu and accessibility

[Jude DaShiell]

Researching it, I just learned slackware has no soundfonts package in any
of its repositories normally configured to work with slint.  I'm glad I'm
documenting stuff in dosemu2.org!  Is there an url for soundfonts that
will work once built and installed?



On Sun, 2 May 2021, stsp wrote:

> 02.05.2021 21:23, Jude DaShiell ?????:
> > Slint findings.  For those that don't know, slint is the international
> > version of slackware and has had considerable accessibility upgrades done
> > to it by its maintainer Didier Spaier.
> > Findings, most of dosemu2 will build.  The show stopper is comcom32 and
> > why that is is recipe for command.o fails to build.
>
> This is indeed a show-stopper most of
> the time. You need djgpp to build it,
> which is a great pain to build by itself.
> You can try djgpp from here:
> https://github.com/jwt27/build-gcc
> or from here:
> https://github.com/stsp/build-gcc
> Maybe one of these will build.
> But the common suggestion so far,
> is to put the pre-built comcom32.exe
> to its source dir, and do "make install",
> pretending as if it was built.
>
>
> > The dosemu2 run process crashed since it didn't have comcom32 or freecom
>
> It shouldn't crash because of that.
> There might be other errors too, if
> it did.
>
>
> > and it complained about several packages being too old.
>
> It might be telling you that soundfonts
> are not installed, in addition to fluidsynth
> being too old. Installing soundfonts should
> fix that.
>
>

Re: dosemu and accessibility

[Jude DaShiell]

Apparently some other developer is updating dosemu1 to dosemu2 on
slackware and hasn't yet finished that process.  When I installed dosemu,
dosemu2 was what slint installed.  Probably comcom32 or freecom will
become available and added to the dosemu dependencies along with
fluidsynth-dssi and jack though soundfonts isn't available anywhere in
slint yet.  That's probably also on the way.


On Sun, 2 May 2021, stsp wrote:

> 02.05.2021 21:23, Jude DaShiell ?????:
> > Slint findings.  For those that don't know, slint is the international
> > version of slackware and has had considerable accessibility upgrades done
> > to it by its maintainer Didier Spaier.
> > Findings, most of dosemu2 will build.  The show stopper is comcom32 and
> > why that is is recipe for command.o fails to build.
>
> This is indeed a show-stopper most of
> the time. You need djgpp to build it,
> which is a great pain to build by itself.
> You can try djgpp from here:
> https://github.com/jwt27/build-gcc
> or from here:
> https://github.com/stsp/build-gcc
> Maybe one of these will build.
> But the common suggestion so far,
> is to put the pre-built comcom32.exe
> to its source dir, and do "make install",
> pretending as if it was built.
>
>
> > The dosemu2 run process crashed since it didn't have comcom32 or freecom
>
> It shouldn't crash because of that.
> There might be other errors too, if
> it did.
>
>
> > and it complained about several packages being too old.
>
> It might be telling you that soundfonts
> are not installed, in addition to fluidsynth
> being too old. Installing soundfonts should
> fix that.
>
>