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From: Michael Schmitz <schmitzmic@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
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	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
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	Matt Turner <mattst88@gmail.com>,
	alpha <linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	linux-m68k <linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	Ley Foon Tan <ley.foon.tan@intel.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Subject: Re: Kernel stack read with PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT and io_uring threads
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:01:06 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c7144d54-539d-6aef-ed15-beea91836468@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wh82uJ5Poqby3brn-D7xWbCMnGv-JnwfO0tuRfCvsVgXA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Linus,

On 22/06/21 11:14 am, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 12:45 PM Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Looks like sys_exit() and do_group_exit() would be the two places to
>>> do it (do_group_exit() would handle the signal case and
>>> sys_group_exit()).
>> Maybe...  I'm digging through that pile right now, will follow up when
>> I get a reasonably complete picture
> We might have another possible way to solve this:
>
>   (a) make it the rule that everybody always saves the full (integer)
> register set in pt_regs
>
>   (b) make m68k just always create that switch-stack for all system
> calls (it's really not that big, I think it's like six words or
> something)

Correct - six words for registers, one for the return address. Probably 
still a win compared to setting and clearing flag bits all over the 
place in an attempt to catch any as yet undetected unsafe cases of 
ptrace_stop.

I'll have to see how much of a performance impact I can see (not that I 
can even remotely measure that accurately - it's more of a 'does it now 
feel real sluggish' thing).

Cheers,

     Michael

>
>   (c) admit that alpha is broken, but nobody really cares
>
>> In the meanwhile, do kernel/kthread.c uses look even remotely sane?
>> Intentional - sure, but it really looks wrong to use thread exit code
>> as communication channel there...
> I really doubt that it is even "intentional".
>
> I think it's "use some errno as a random exit code" and nobody ever
> really thought about it, or thought about how that doesn't really
> work. People are used to the error numbers, not thinking about how
> do_exit() doesn't take an error number, but a signal number (and an
> 8-bit positive error code in bits 8-15).
>
> Because no, it's not even remotely sane.
>
> I think the do_exit(-EINTR) could be do_exit(SIGINT) and it would make
> more sense. And the -ENOMEM might be SIGBUS, perhaps.
>
> It does look like the usermode-helper code does save the exit code
> with things like
>
>                  kernel_wait(pid, &sub_info->retval);
>
> and I see call_usermodehelper_exec() doing
>
>          retval = sub_info->retval;
>
> and treating it as an error code. But I think those have never been
> tested with that (bogus) exit code thing from kernel_wait(), because
> it wouldn't have worked.  It has only ever been tested with the (real)
> exit code things like
>
>                  if (pid < 0) {
>                          sub_info->retval = pid;
>
> which does actually assign a negative error code to it.
>
> So I think that
>
>                  kernel_wait(pid, &sub_info->retval);
>
> line is buggy, and should be something like
>
>                  int wstatus;
>                  kernel_wait(pid, &wstatus);
>                  sub_info->retval = WEXITSTATUS(wstatus) ? -EINVAL : 0;
>
> or something.
>
>              Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-06-22  0:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-10 20:57 Kernel stack read with PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT and io_uring threads Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-10 20:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-10 22:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-11 21:39   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-11 23:26     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-13 21:54       ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-13 22:18         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-14  2:05           ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-14  5:03             ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-14 16:26               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-14 22:26                 ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-15 19:30                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-15 19:36                     ` [PATCH] alpha: Add extra switch_stack frames in exit, exec, and kernel threads Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-15 22:02                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-16 16:32                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 18:29                           ` [PATCH 0/2] alpha/ptrace: Improved switch_stack handling Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 18:31                             ` [PATCH 1/2] alpha/ptrace: Record and handle the absence of switch_stack Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 20:00                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-16 20:37                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-16 20:57                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 21:02                                     ` Al Viro
2021-06-16 21:08                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-16 20:42                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 20:17                               ` Al Viro
2021-06-21  2:01                               ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-21  2:17                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-21  3:18                                   ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-21  3:37                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-21  4:08                                       ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-21  3:44                                     ` Al Viro
2021-06-21  5:31                                       ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-21  2:27                                 ` Al Viro
2021-06-21  3:36                                   ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-16 18:32                             ` [PATCH 2/2] alpha/ptrace: Add missing switch_stack frames Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 20:25                               ` Al Viro
2021-06-16 20:28                                 ` Al Viro
2021-06-16 20:49                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 20:54                                     ` Al Viro
2021-06-16 20:47                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 20:55                                   ` Al Viro
2021-06-16 20:50                       ` [PATCH] alpha: Add extra switch_stack frames in exit, exec, and kernel threads Al Viro
2021-06-15 20:56                     ` Kernel stack read with PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT and io_uring threads Michael Schmitz
2021-06-16  0:23                       ` Finn Thain
2021-06-15 21:58                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-16 15:06                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-21 13:54                       ` Al Viro
2021-06-21 14:16                         ` Al Viro
2021-06-21 16:50                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-21 23:05                             ` Al Viro
2021-06-22 16:39                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-21 15:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-21 18:59                         ` Al Viro
2021-06-21 19:22                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-21 19:45                             ` Al Viro
2021-06-21 23:14                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-21 23:23                                 ` Al Viro
2021-06-21 23:36                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-22 21:02                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-22 21:48                                       ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-23  5:26                                         ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-23 14:36                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-22  0:01                                 ` Michael Schmitz [this message]
2021-06-22 20:04                                 ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-22 20:18                                   ` Al Viro
2021-06-22 21:57                                     ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-21 20:03                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-21 23:15                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-22 20:52                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-23  0:41                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-23 14:33                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 18:57                                       ` [PATCH 0/9] Refactoring exit Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 18:59                                         ` [PATCH 1/9] signal/sh: Use force_sig(SIGKILL) instead of do_group_exit(SIGKILL) Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 18:59                                         ` [PATCH 2/9] signal/seccomp: Refactor seccomp signal and coredump generation Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-26  3:17                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-06-28 19:21                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-28 14:34                                           ` [signal/seccomp] 3fdd8c68c2: kernel-selftests.seccomp.seccomp_bpf.fail kernel test robot
2021-06-28 14:34                                             ` kernel test robot
2021-06-24 19:00                                         ` [PATCH 3/9] signal/seccomp: Dump core when there is only one live thread Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-26  3:20                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-06-24 19:01                                         ` [PATCH 4/9] signal: Factor start_group_exit out of complete_signal Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 20:04                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-25  8:47                                           ` kernel test robot
2021-06-25  8:47                                             ` kernel test robot
2021-06-26  3:24                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-06-24 19:01                                         ` [PATCH 5/9] signal/group_exit: Use start_group_exit in place of do_group_exit Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-26  3:35                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-06-24 19:02                                         ` [PATCH 6/9] signal: Fold do_group_exit into get_signal fixing io_uring threads Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-26  3:42                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-06-28 19:25                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 19:02                                         ` [PATCH 7/9] signal: Make individual tasks exiting a first class concept Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 20:11                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-24 21:37                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 19:03                                         ` [PATCH 8/9] signal/task_exit: Use start_task_exit in place of do_exit Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-26  5:56                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-06-24 19:03                                         ` [PATCH 9/9] signal: Move PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT into get_signal Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 22:45                                         ` [PATCH 0/9] Refactoring exit Al Viro
2021-06-27 22:13                                           ` Al Viro
2021-06-27 22:59                                             ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-28  7:31                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-06-28 16:20                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-28 17:14                                                 ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-28 19:17                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-06-28 20:13                                                     ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-28 21:18                                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-06-28 23:42                                                         ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-29 20:28                                                           ` [CFT][PATCH] exit/bdflush: Remove the deprecated bdflush system call Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-29 20:28                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-29 21:45                                                             ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-29 21:45                                                               ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-30  8:24                                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-06-30  8:37                                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-30 12:30                                                             ` Cyril Hrubis
2021-06-28 19:02                                           ` [PATCH 0/9] Refactoring exit Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-21 19:24                           ` Kernel stack read with PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT and io_uring threads Al Viro
2021-06-21 23:24                             ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-16  7:38                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-06-16 19:40                       ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-12 23:38 ` [PATCH v1] m68k: save extra registers on sys_exit and sys_exit_group syscall entry Michael Schmitz
2021-06-13 19:59   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-13 20:07     ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-13 20:26       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-13 20:33         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-13 20:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-14  7:13   ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-14  7:40     ` Andreas Schwab
2021-06-14  8:19       ` Michael Schmitz

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