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From: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	Oleksij Rempel <linux@rempel-privat.de>,
	"linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org" <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	ath10k <ath10k@lists.infradead.org>,
	kirtika@google.com
Subject: Re: Setting single rate in ath10k broken by "reject/clear user rate mask if not usable"
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 09:05:28 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d2caa97d-50b0-94bd-9ee1-349e44cee1c8@candelatech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1510567783.30497.33.camel@sipsolutions.net>

On 11/13/2017 02:09 AM, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-10-27 at 13:41 -0700, Ben Greear wrote:
>
>> ath10k ignores the tx rateset pretty much entirely when sending management
>> frames, so even if you set the tx rateset to have only VHT MCS 8,
>> management frames are still sent with legacy ratesets.
>
> So that's a driver bug.

The firmware gives the ability to set a single fixed rate for
multicast, and another for management frames.  It is possibly to
set the tx-data frame rate to another fixed rate, or to a more
normal rateset.  But, you do not have full control over setting
tx-data rates (no way to tell stock firmware to use 6Mbps /g rate and
mcs 8 (only), for instance).  The multicast and mgt frame API is not hooked up in the
stock driver as far as I know.

But even if they were, I don't see a good way to make this fit
with the mac80211 txrate setting framework.

What is the suggested approach to propagate a rateset set with
'iw' to a firmware with these limitations?

For the Intel firmware NICs, how do they set management and bcast
tx rates?

>> My end goal about this part is to be able to configure a single tx rate
>> and have that be allowed again, at least with ath10k.
>>
>> Maybe a new flag for drivers like ath10k that at least somewhat ignore
>> the tx-rateset for management frames, and this flag would allow us to
>> bypass the cannot-set-single-rate check?
>
> What? No, I'm not going to put a driver bug into the API like that!

Thanks for the constructive feedback.

--Ben

>
> johannes
>


-- 
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Candela Technologies Inc  http://www.candelatech.com

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From: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	Oleksij Rempel <linux@rempel-privat.de>,
	"linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org" <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	ath10k <ath10k@lists.infradead.org>,
	kirtika@google.com
Subject: Re: Setting single rate in ath10k broken by "reject/clear user rate mask if not usable"
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 09:05:28 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d2caa97d-50b0-94bd-9ee1-349e44cee1c8@candelatech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1510567783.30497.33.camel@sipsolutions.net>

On 11/13/2017 02:09 AM, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-10-27 at 13:41 -0700, Ben Greear wrote:
>
>> ath10k ignores the tx rateset pretty much entirely when sending management
>> frames, so even if you set the tx rateset to have only VHT MCS 8,
>> management frames are still sent with legacy ratesets.
>
> So that's a driver bug.

The firmware gives the ability to set a single fixed rate for
multicast, and another for management frames.  It is possibly to
set the tx-data frame rate to another fixed rate, or to a more
normal rateset.  But, you do not have full control over setting
tx-data rates (no way to tell stock firmware to use 6Mbps /g rate and
mcs 8 (only), for instance).  The multicast and mgt frame API is not hooked up in the
stock driver as far as I know.

But even if they were, I don't see a good way to make this fit
with the mac80211 txrate setting framework.

What is the suggested approach to propagate a rateset set with
'iw' to a firmware with these limitations?

For the Intel firmware NICs, how do they set management and bcast
tx rates?

>> My end goal about this part is to be able to configure a single tx rate
>> and have that be allowed again, at least with ath10k.
>>
>> Maybe a new flag for drivers like ath10k that at least somewhat ignore
>> the tx-rateset for management frames, and this flag would allow us to
>> bypass the cannot-set-single-rate check?
>
> What? No, I'm not going to put a driver bug into the API like that!

Thanks for the constructive feedback.

--Ben

>
> johannes
>


-- 
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Candela Technologies Inc  http://www.candelatech.com


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  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-13 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-10 20:54 Setting single rate in ath10k broken by "reject/clear user rate mask if not usable" Ben Greear
2017-10-10 20:54 ` Ben Greear
2017-10-11  4:37 ` Not able to set single rate in ath10k (backports-4.14-rc2-1) KAVITA MATHUR
2017-10-11  8:02 ` Setting single rate in ath10k broken by "reject/clear user rate mask if not usable" Johannes Berg
2017-10-11  8:02   ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-11  8:07   ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-11  8:07     ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-11 14:51   ` Ben Greear
2017-10-11 14:51     ` Ben Greear
2017-10-18  7:33     ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-18  7:33       ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-18 14:50       ` Ben Greear
2017-10-18 14:50         ` Ben Greear
2017-10-18 17:56         ` Oleksij Rempel
2017-10-18 17:56           ` Oleksij Rempel
2017-10-18 20:34           ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-18 20:34             ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-18 20:51             ` Ben Greear
2017-10-18 20:51               ` Ben Greear
2017-10-18 21:02               ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-18 21:02                 ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-18 21:30                 ` Ben Greear
2017-10-18 21:30                   ` Ben Greear
2017-10-25 15:17                   ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-25 15:17                     ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-25 16:13                     ` Ben Greear
2017-10-25 16:13                       ` Ben Greear
2017-10-27 20:15                       ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-27 20:15                         ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-27 20:41                         ` Ben Greear
2017-10-27 20:41                           ` Ben Greear
2017-11-13 10:09                           ` Johannes Berg
2017-11-13 10:09                             ` Johannes Berg
2017-11-13 17:05                             ` Ben Greear [this message]
2017-11-13 17:05                               ` Ben Greear

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