From: Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>
To: paulmck@linux.ibm.com
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Joel Fernandes, Google" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] Fix: trace sched switch start/stop racy updates
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 11:34:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d57ed540-2001-724d-ed22-eee35354840f@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190817230034.GK28441@linux.ibm.com>
On 18/08/2019 00:00, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
[...]
> Linus noted that he believes that compilers for architectures supporting
> Linux can be trusted to avoid store-to-load transformations, invented
> stores, and unnecessary store tearing. Should these appear, Linus would
> report a bug against the compiler and expect it to be fixed.
>
>> I'll be honest, it's not 100% clear to me when those optimizations can
>> actually be done (maybe the branch thingy but the others are dubious), and
>> it's even less clear when compilers *actually* do it - only that they have
>> been reported to do it (so it's not made up).
>
> There is significant unclarity inherent in the situation. The standard
> says one thing, different compilers do other things, and developers
> often expect yet a third thing. And sometimes things change over time,
> for example, the ca. 2011 dictim against compilers inventing data races.
>
> Hey, they didn't teach me this aspect of software development in school,
> either. ;-)
>
Gotta keeps things "interesting" somehow, eh...
Thanks for the clarifications.
> Thanx, Paul
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-08-19 10:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-18 10:29 WARNING in tracepoint_probe_register_prio (3) syzbot
2019-08-16 0:11 ` syzbot
2019-08-16 14:26 ` [PATCH 1/1] Fix: trace sched switch start/stop racy updates Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-16 16:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-16 16:48 ` Valentin Schneider
2019-08-16 17:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-16 17:41 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-16 19:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-16 19:19 ` Alan Stern
2019-08-16 20:44 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-16 20:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-16 20:57 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-16 22:27 ` Valentin Schneider
2019-08-16 22:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-17 1:41 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 4:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-17 8:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-17 8:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-17 15:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 20:03 ` Valentin Schneider
2019-08-17 23:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-19 10:34 ` Valentin Schneider [this message]
2019-08-17 22:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-20 14:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-20 20:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-20 20:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-20 20:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-16 21:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-17 1:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 2:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-17 14:40 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 15:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-17 15:55 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 16:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-17 22:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-17 8:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-20 13:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-20 20:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-21 10:32 ` Will Deacon
2019-08-21 13:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-21 13:32 ` Will Deacon
2019-08-21 13:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-21 16:22 ` Will Deacon
2019-08-21 15:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-21 15:48 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-21 16:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-21 19:03 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-09-09 6:21 ` Herbert Xu
2019-08-16 20:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-16 20:59 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-17 1:25 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-18 9:15 ` stable markup was " Pavel Machek
2019-08-16 17:19 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-16 19:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-17 14:27 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 15:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-17 15:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 16:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-16 12:32 ` WARNING in tracepoint_probe_register_prio (3) syzbot
2019-08-16 12:41 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
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