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From: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Cc: Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	Steve deRosier <derosier@cal-sierra.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] crypto: aesni - add ccm(aes) algorithm implementation
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:01:12 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e02fe07e-8cb6-f889-3228-60e4fabf4e40@candelatech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201210024342.GA26428@gondor.apana.org.au>

On 12/9/20 6:43 PM, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 01:18:12AM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>>
>> One thing I realized just now is that in the current situation, all
>> the synchronous skciphers already degrade like this.
>>
>> I.e., in Ben's case, without the special ccm implementation, ccm(aes)
>> will resolve to ccm(ctr(aesni),cbcmac(aesni)), which is instantiated
>> as a sync skcipher using the ctr and ccm/cbcmac templates built on top
>> of the AES-NI cipher (not skcipher).  This cipher will also fall back
>> to suboptimal scalar code if the SIMD is in use in process context.
> 
> Sure, your patch is not making it any worse.  But I don't think
> the extra code is worth it considering that you're still going to
> be running into that slow fallback path all the time.

How can we test this assumption?  I see 3x performance gain, so it is not hitting
the fallback path much in my case.  What traffic pattern and protocol do you think
will cause the slow fallback path to happen often enough to make this patch not
helpful?

> Much better to fix the wireless code to actually go async.

This will not happen any time soon, so better to make incremental
improvement in the crypt code.

Thanks,
Ben

-- 
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Candela Technologies Inc  http://www.candelatech.com

  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-10  3:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-01 19:45 [PATCH v2] crypto: aesni - add ccm(aes) algorithm implementation Ard Biesheuvel
2020-12-01 21:40 ` Ben Greear
2020-12-01 21:57 ` Herbert Xu
2020-12-01 22:00   ` Ben Greear
2020-12-01 22:01     ` Herbert Xu
2020-12-01 22:01   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-12-01 22:04     ` Herbert Xu
2020-12-01 22:12       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-12-01 22:16         ` Herbert Xu
2020-12-01 22:27           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-12-01 23:11             ` Herbert Xu
2020-12-01 23:24               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-12-01 23:30                 ` Herbert Xu
2020-12-01 23:41                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-12-01 23:48                     ` Herbert Xu
2020-12-02  0:01                       ` Ben Greear
2020-12-10  0:18               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-12-10  2:43                 ` Herbert Xu
2020-12-10  3:01                   ` Ben Greear [this message]
2020-12-10  7:30                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-12-10 11:14                       ` Herbert Xu
2020-12-10 12:03                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-12-10 12:16                           ` Herbert Xu
2020-12-10 12:19                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-12-15  8:55                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-12-15  9:19                                 ` Herbert Xu
2022-11-08 18:50                                   ` Ben Greear
2022-11-09  3:52                                     ` Herbert Xu
2022-11-09 10:05                                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-11-09 14:12                                         ` Ben Greear
2022-11-11 22:29                                         ` Ben Greear
2022-11-12 14:59                                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-10-16 20:50                                             ` Ben Greear
2023-10-17  3:16                                               ` Eric Biggers
2023-10-17  6:43                                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-10-18  1:24                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2020-12-10 14:40                       ` Ben Greear
2020-12-01 22:12       ` Ben Greear

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