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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Wen Gong <wgong@codeaurora.org>
Cc: ath11k@lists.infradead.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 9/9] mac80211: save transmit power envelope element and power constraint
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 10:53:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f61cdc7bae2dd2a645e164ca143b9db402472559.camel@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a056e32d4911400fb0822bf02167e91c@codeaurora.org>

On Fri, 2021-08-13 at 16:47 +0800, Wen Gong wrote:
> > > > > 2) Should we at least check it again from the protected beacon or such
> > > > > after association, so we don't blindly trust the probe response or
> > > > > beacon (received during scan, not validated) at least when BIGTK is in
> > > > > use?
> > > > 
> > > > May we add support for BIGTK in future with another patch?
> > > 
> > > We already have BIGTK support in mac80211, so if we don't do that now
> > > we're almost certainly not going to do it, so I'd really prefer if you
> > > did it here, or if a separate patch still did it now.
> > 
> > Actually, I should say though - the question was more whether we even
> > need/want that, rather than whether we can do it later or not.
> > 
> > If we should protect this data/information then IMHO we should do it
> > now, but it's not clear to me that we should, given that we also don't
> > have encrypted association response and we still take information from
> > there too, etc.
> > 
> > johannes
> I prefer to add a new enum(not use BSS_CHANGED_TXPOWER),e.g, 
> BSS_CHANGED_PWR_ENV.
> And add check in ieee80211_rx_mgmt_beacon() as well as 
> ieee80211_handle_pwr_constr(),
> when the value of pwr_reduction or content of elems.tx_pwr_env changed,
> save the pwr_reduction and elems.tx_pwr_env to ieee80211_bss_conf, and 
> notify lower
> driver with BSS_CHANGED_PWR_ENV, then lower driver will do next action.
> 
I don't really have any objection to this, but OTOH it feels like
drivers will probably not really listen to this if it can only happen
due to BIGTK?

And if we always defer this until the first beacon, that also feels
wrong and bad?

I'm not sure what the right answer here is, TBH.

Maybe the right answer is to indeed ignore beacon protection for this,
and do exactly what you did here, and say that the TX power envelope
thing is just not meant to be protected, because the protection is meant
to protect the connection etc. and not the performance (and regulatory?)

Do we get this *only* in the beacon, or also in the association
response? If it's also in the association response we could use the data
from *there*, and basically say that the association response might need
some protection (later) anyway?

johannes


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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Wen Gong <wgong@codeaurora.org>
Cc: ath11k@lists.infradead.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 9/9] mac80211: save transmit power envelope element and power constraint
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 10:53:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f61cdc7bae2dd2a645e164ca143b9db402472559.camel@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a056e32d4911400fb0822bf02167e91c@codeaurora.org>

On Fri, 2021-08-13 at 16:47 +0800, Wen Gong wrote:
> > > > > 2) Should we at least check it again from the protected beacon or such
> > > > > after association, so we don't blindly trust the probe response or
> > > > > beacon (received during scan, not validated) at least when BIGTK is in
> > > > > use?
> > > > 
> > > > May we add support for BIGTK in future with another patch?
> > > 
> > > We already have BIGTK support in mac80211, so if we don't do that now
> > > we're almost certainly not going to do it, so I'd really prefer if you
> > > did it here, or if a separate patch still did it now.
> > 
> > Actually, I should say though - the question was more whether we even
> > need/want that, rather than whether we can do it later or not.
> > 
> > If we should protect this data/information then IMHO we should do it
> > now, but it's not clear to me that we should, given that we also don't
> > have encrypted association response and we still take information from
> > there too, etc.
> > 
> > johannes
> I prefer to add a new enum(not use BSS_CHANGED_TXPOWER),e.g, 
> BSS_CHANGED_PWR_ENV.
> And add check in ieee80211_rx_mgmt_beacon() as well as 
> ieee80211_handle_pwr_constr(),
> when the value of pwr_reduction or content of elems.tx_pwr_env changed,
> save the pwr_reduction and elems.tx_pwr_env to ieee80211_bss_conf, and 
> notify lower
> driver with BSS_CHANGED_PWR_ENV, then lower driver will do next action.
> 
I don't really have any objection to this, but OTOH it feels like
drivers will probably not really listen to this if it can only happen
due to BIGTK?

And if we always defer this until the first beacon, that also feels
wrong and bad?

I'm not sure what the right answer here is, TBH.

Maybe the right answer is to indeed ignore beacon protection for this,
and do exactly what you did here, and say that the TX power envelope
thing is just not meant to be protected, because the protection is meant
to protect the connection etc. and not the performance (and regulatory?)

Do we get this *only* in the beacon, or also in the association
response? If it's also in the association response we could use the data
from *there*, and basically say that the association response might need
some protection (later) anyway?

johannes


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  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-13  8:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-17 20:19 [PATCH 0/9] cfg80211/mac80211: Add support for 6GHZ STA for various modes : LPI, SP and VLP Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19 ` Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19 ` [PATCH 1/9] cfg80211: add power type definition for 6G Hz Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19   ` Wen Gong
2021-07-23  9:22   ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-23  9:22     ` Johannes Berg
2021-05-17 20:19 ` [PATCH 2/9] mac80211: add definition of regulatory info in 6G Hz operation information Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19   ` Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19 ` [PATCH 3/9] mac80211: add parse " Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19   ` Wen Gong
2021-07-23  9:23   ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-23  9:23     ` Johannes Berg
2021-05-17 20:19 ` [PATCH 4/9] cfg80211: add definition for 6G power spectral density(psd) Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19   ` Wen Gong
2021-07-23  9:24   ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-23  9:24     ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-30 10:00     ` Wen Gong
2021-07-30 10:00       ` Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19 ` [PATCH 5/9] cfg80211: save power spectral density(psd) of regulatory rule Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19   ` Wen Gong
2021-07-23  9:27   ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-23  9:27     ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-30 10:06     ` Wen Gong
2021-07-30 10:06       ` Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19 ` [PATCH 6/9] mac80211: add definition for transmit power envelope element Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19   ` Wen Gong
2021-07-23  9:29   ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-23  9:29     ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-23  9:31   ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-23  9:31     ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-30 10:27     ` Wen Gong
2021-07-30 10:27       ` Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19 ` [PATCH 7/9] mac80211: add parse " Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19   ` Wen Gong
2021-07-23  9:33   ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-23  9:33     ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-30 10:16     ` Wen Gong
2021-07-30 10:16       ` Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19 ` [PATCH 8/9] mac80211: add transmit power envelope element and power constraint in bss_conf Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19   ` Wen Gong
2021-07-23  9:33   ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-23  9:33     ` Johannes Berg
2021-05-17 20:19 ` [PATCH 9/9] mac80211: save transmit power envelope element and power constraint Wen Gong
2021-05-17 20:19   ` Wen Gong
2021-07-23  9:38   ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-23  9:38     ` Johannes Berg
2021-07-30 10:47     ` Wen Gong
2021-07-30 10:47       ` Wen Gong
2021-08-03  8:53       ` Wen Gong
2021-08-03  8:53         ` Wen Gong
2021-08-13  7:19       ` Johannes Berg
2021-08-13  7:19         ` Johannes Berg
2021-08-13  7:25         ` Johannes Berg
2021-08-13  7:25           ` Johannes Berg
2021-08-13  8:47           ` Wen Gong
2021-08-13  8:47             ` Wen Gong
2021-08-13  8:53             ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2021-08-13  8:53               ` Johannes Berg
2021-08-13  9:16               ` Wen Gong
2021-08-13  9:16                 ` Wen Gong
2021-08-13 10:11                 ` Johannes Berg
2021-08-13 10:11                   ` Johannes Berg
2021-08-13 10:29                   ` Wen Gong
2021-08-13 10:29                     ` Wen Gong
2021-08-13  8:13         ` Wen Gong
2021-08-13  8:13           ` Wen Gong
2021-05-25 10:04 ` [PATCH 0/9] cfg80211/mac80211: Add support for 6GHZ STA for various modes : LPI, SP and VLP Wen Gong
2021-05-25 10:04   ` Wen Gong
2021-06-15  8:52   ` Wen Gong
2021-06-15  8:52     ` Wen Gong

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