Re: [Qemu-devel] Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

Re: [Qemu-devel] Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

[Yehuda Yitschak]

Cc: Eric Auger

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yehuda Yitschak
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:35
> To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> Subject: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> 
> Hello
> 
> I would to ask your advice on how to assign a semi-virtualized Ethernet port
> to a guest VM
> 
> The eth port's HW partially supports virtualization since the data path MMIO
> registers (which controls rx/tx operation) are duplicated per VM.
> So for the run-time operation the guest can directly access the MMIO
> registers, using VFIO-PLATFORM, and enjoy the performance benefit.
> 
> However for the initial setup and occasional configuration the guest need to
> access control path registers which are shared for all guests.
> AFAIK this is usually done with HW emulation using trap & emulate with
> QEMU.
> So, to the best of my knowledge I need a mix of VFIO and HW emulation to
> get the port to work with device assignment , right ?
> 
> Are there any standard methods for achieving this ?
> Is there an example for such an existing HW in QEMU ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Yehuda Yitschak

Re: [Qemu-devel] Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

[Eric Auger]

Hi Yehuda,
On 06/15/2015 01:01 PM, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> Cc: Eric Auger
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Yehuda Yitschak
>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:35
>> To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
>> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
>> Subject: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I would to ask your advice on how to assign a semi-virtualized Ethernet port
>> to a guest VM
>>
>> The eth port's HW partially supports virtualization since the data path MMIO
>> registers (which controls rx/tx operation) are duplicated per VM.
>> So for the run-time operation the guest can directly access the MMIO
>> registers, using VFIO-PLATFORM, and enjoy the performance benefit.
>>
>> However for the initial setup and occasional configuration the guest need to
>> access control path registers which are shared for all guests.
>> AFAIK this is usually done with HW emulation using trap & emulate with
>> QEMU.
>> So, to the best of my knowledge I need a mix of VFIO and HW emulation to
>> get the port to work with device assignment , right ?
Yes to me you're correct.
>>
>> Are there any standard methods for achieving this ?
>> Is there an example for such an existing HW in QEMU ?
Not yet unfortunately. To my knowledge the only platform devices that
were assigned with QEMU VFIO platform were standalone duplicated
devices, PL330, Calxeda Xgmac, SATA. So you are a trailblazer on that
track.

Best Regards

Eric
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Yehuda Yitschak

Re: [Qemu-devel] Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

[Yehuda Yitschak]

________________________________________
From: Eric Auger <eric.auger@linaro.org>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 4:42 PM
To: Yehuda Yitschak; qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

Hi Yehuda,
On 06/15/2015 01:01 PM, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
>> Cc: Eric Auger
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Yehuda Yitschak
>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:35
>>> To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
>>> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
>>> Subject: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I would to ask your advice on how to assign a semi-virtualized Ethernet port
>>> to a guest VM
>>>
>>> The eth port's HW partially supports virtualization since the data path MMIO
>>> registers (which controls rx/tx operation) are duplicated per VM.
>>> So for the run-time operation the guest can directly access the MMIO
>>> registers, using VFIO-PLATFORM, and enjoy the performance benefit.
>>>
>>> However for the initial setup and occasional configuration the guest need to
>>> access control path registers which are shared for all guests.
>>> AFAIK this is usually done with HW emulation using trap & emulate with
>>> QEMU.
>>> So, to the best of my knowledge I need a mix of VFIO and HW emulation to
>>> get the port to work with device assignment , right ?
> Yes to me you're correct.
>>>
>>> Are there any standard methods for achieving this ?
>>> Is there an example for such an existing HW in QEMU ?
> Not yet unfortunately. To my knowledge the only platform devices that
> were assigned with QEMU VFIO platform were standalone duplicated
> devices, PL330, Calxeda Xgmac, SATA. So you are a trailblazer on that
> track.

Thanks. It's good to know the diagnosis :-)

BTW - i thought SR-IOV uses a somewhat similar concept. AFAIK each virtual function (VF) gets 
a set of registers enabling it to perform data path but most of the configuration and management
operations are controlled by the host using the Physical Function PF driver. 
Are you familiar with that ?
i know SR-IOV is not related to VFIO-PLATFORM but if the mixed of direct access and emulation
exists there as well then maybe i can borrow some concepts 

Best regards

Yehuda
 
> Best Regards
>
> Eric
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Yehuda Yitschak

Re: [Qemu-devel] Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

[Eric Auger]

Hi Yehuda,
On 06/15/2015 06:52 PM, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: Eric Auger <eric.auger@linaro.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 4:42 PM
> To: Yehuda Yitschak; qemu-devel@nongnu.org
> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> 
> Hi Yehuda,
> On 06/15/2015 01:01 PM, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
>>> Cc: Eric Auger
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Yehuda Yitschak
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:35
>>>> To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
>>>> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
>>>> Subject: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
>>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> I would to ask your advice on how to assign a semi-virtualized Ethernet port
>>>> to a guest VM
>>>>
>>>> The eth port's HW partially supports virtualization since the data path MMIO
>>>> registers (which controls rx/tx operation) are duplicated per VM.
>>>> So for the run-time operation the guest can directly access the MMIO
>>>> registers, using VFIO-PLATFORM, and enjoy the performance benefit.
>>>>
>>>> However for the initial setup and occasional configuration the guest need to
>>>> access control path registers which are shared for all guests.
>>>> AFAIK this is usually done with HW emulation using trap & emulate with
>>>> QEMU.
>>>> So, to the best of my knowledge I need a mix of VFIO and HW emulation to
>>>> get the port to work with device assignment , right ?
>> Yes to me you're correct.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any standard methods for achieving this ?
>>>> Is there an example for such an existing HW in QEMU ?
>> Not yet unfortunately. To my knowledge the only platform devices that
>> were assigned with QEMU VFIO platform were standalone duplicated
>> devices, PL330, Calxeda Xgmac, SATA. So you are a trailblazer on that
>> track.
> 
> Thanks. It's good to know the diagnosis :-)
> 
> BTW - i thought SR-IOV uses a somewhat similar concept. AFAIK each virtual function (VF) gets 
> a set of registers enabling it to perform data path but most of the configuration and management
> operations are controlled by the host using the Physical Function PF driver. 
> Are you familiar with that ?
I have the same understanding about PCI SR-IOV but unfortunately I am
not sufficiently familiar with it to give you any advice.

> i know SR-IOV is not related to VFIO-PLATFORM but if the mixed of direct access and emulation
> exists there as well then maybe i can borrow some concepts 

I hope so. I am also interested in the topic!

Best Regards

Eric


> 
> Best regards
> 
> Yehuda
>  
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Yehuda Yitschak

Re: [Qemu-devel] Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

[Alex Williamson]

On Mon, 2015-06-15 at 16:52 +0000, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> ________________________________________
> From: Eric Auger <eric.auger@linaro.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 4:42 PM
> To: Yehuda Yitschak; qemu-devel@nongnu.org
> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> 
> Hi Yehuda,
> On 06/15/2015 01:01 PM, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> >> Cc: Eric Auger
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Yehuda Yitschak
> >>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:35
> >>> To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
> >>> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> >>> Subject: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> >>>
> >>> Hello
> >>>
> >>> I would to ask your advice on how to assign a semi-virtualized Ethernet port
> >>> to a guest VM
> >>>
> >>> The eth port's HW partially supports virtualization since the data path MMIO
> >>> registers (which controls rx/tx operation) are duplicated per VM.
> >>> So for the run-time operation the guest can directly access the MMIO
> >>> registers, using VFIO-PLATFORM, and enjoy the performance benefit.
> >>>
> >>> However for the initial setup and occasional configuration the guest need to
> >>> access control path registers which are shared for all guests.
> >>> AFAIK this is usually done with HW emulation using trap & emulate with
> >>> QEMU.
> >>> So, to the best of my knowledge I need a mix of VFIO and HW emulation to
> >>> get the port to work with device assignment , right ?
> > Yes to me you're correct.
> >>>
> >>> Are there any standard methods for achieving this ?
> >>> Is there an example for such an existing HW in QEMU ?
> > Not yet unfortunately. To my knowledge the only platform devices that
> > were assigned with QEMU VFIO platform were standalone duplicated
> > devices, PL330, Calxeda Xgmac, SATA. So you are a trailblazer on that
> > track.
> 
> Thanks. It's good to know the diagnosis :-)
> 
> BTW - i thought SR-IOV uses a somewhat similar concept. AFAIK each virtual function (VF) gets 
> a set of registers enabling it to perform data path but most of the configuration and management
> operations are controlled by the host using the Physical Function PF driver. 
> Are you familiar with that ?
> i know SR-IOV is not related to VFIO-PLATFORM but if the mixed of direct access and emulation
> exists there as well then maybe i can borrow some concepts 

The difference for SR-IOV is that emulation of shared resources is done
almost entirely in the hardware.  the PF configures the VFs and may
interact with them to some degree at runtime, but VFs are largely
separate devices from a software perspective.

The first question I would have for your device is whether there is
IOMMU isolation between the individual "functions".  If not, there's
really nothing vfio can help with and they probably ought to be used
more as a macvtap interface.  If there is isolation, then I'd assume
we'd configure the device for direct access to the duplicated registers
and trap to QEMU for the emulation portion.  For things were the
emulation portion needs to interact with the "PF", interfaces would need
to be created in the kernel.  The vfio-platform pieces specific to your
device might be the logical place for that interaction with the PF to
occur, ie. emulation at the vfio-platform interface rather than in QEMU
itself.  Thanks,

Alex

Re: [Qemu-devel] Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

[Yehuda Yitschak]

________________________________________
From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 8:15 PM
To: Yehuda Yitschak
Cc: Eric Auger; qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

On Mon, 2015-06-15 at 16:52 +0000, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Eric Auger <eric.auger@linaro.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 4:42 PM
>> To: Yehuda Yitschak; qemu-devel@nongnu.org
>> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
>> Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
>>
>> Hi Yehuda,
>> On 06/15/2015 01:01 PM, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
>> >> Cc: Eric Auger
>> >>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Yehuda Yitschak
>> >>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:35
>> >>> To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
>> >>> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
>> >>> Subject: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello
>> >>>
>> >>> I would to ask your advice on how to assign a semi-virtualized Ethernet port
>> >>> to a guest VM
>> >>>
>> >>> The eth port's HW partially supports virtualization since the data path MMIO
>> >>> registers (which controls rx/tx operation) are duplicated per VM.
>> >>> So for the run-time operation the guest can directly access the MMIO
>> >>> registers, using VFIO-PLATFORM, and enjoy the performance benefit.
>> >>>
>> >>> However for the initial setup and occasional configuration the guest need to
>> >>> access control path registers which are shared for all guests.
>> >>> AFAIK this is usually done with HW emulation using trap & emulate with
>> >>> QEMU.
>> >>> So, to the best of my knowledge I need a mix of VFIO and HW emulation to
>> >>> get the port to work with device assignment , right ?
>> > Yes to me you're correct.
>> >>>
>> >>> Are there any standard methods for achieving this ?
>> >>> Is there an example for such an existing HW in QEMU ?
>> > Not yet unfortunately. To my knowledge the only platform devices that
>> > were assigned with QEMU VFIO platform were standalone duplicated
>> > devices, PL330, Calxeda Xgmac, SATA. So you are a trailblazer on that
>> > track.
>>
>> Thanks. It's good to know the diagnosis :-)
>>
>> BTW - i thought SR-IOV uses a somewhat similar concept. AFAIK each virtual function (VF) gets
>> a set of registers enabling it to perform data path but most of the configuration and management
>> operations are controlled by the host using the Physical Function PF driver.
>> Are you familiar with that ?
>> i know SR-IOV is not related to VFIO-PLATFORM but if the mixed of direct access and emulation
>> exists there as well then maybe i can borrow some concepts

> The difference for SR-IOV is that emulation of shared resources is done
> almost entirely in the hardware.  the PF configures the VFs and may
>interact with them to some degree at runtime, but VFs are largely
>separate devices from a software perspective.

> The first question I would have for your device is whether there is
> IOMMU isolation between the individual "functions".  

Yes. IOMMU isolation is possible. 

> If not, there's really nothing vfio can help with and they probably ought to be used
> more as a macvtap interface.  If there is isolation, then I'd assume
> we'd configure the device for direct access to the duplicated registers
> and trap to QEMU for the emulation portion.  For things were the
> emulation portion needs to interact with the "PF", interfaces would need
> to be created in the kernel.

Can you give a short example of such an interface ? 
Do you mean a special device or ioctl to handle the emulation request from QEMU/VFIO ?

> The vfio-platform pieces specific to your
> device might be the logical place for that interaction with the PF to
> occur, ie. emulation at the vfio-platform interface rather than in QEMU
> itself.  Thanks,

That sounds simpler than adding QEMU to the mix. 
However for that to happen we need to trap into the vfio-platfrom driver, right ? 
is that possible ? 

Thanks a lot 

Yehuda 

>
> Alex

Re: [Qemu-devel] Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

[Eric Auger]

On 06/15/2015 07:45 PM, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 8:15 PM
> To: Yehuda Yitschak
> Cc: Eric Auger; qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> 
> On Mon, 2015-06-15 at 16:52 +0000, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Eric Auger <eric.auger@linaro.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 4:42 PM
>>> To: Yehuda Yitschak; qemu-devel@nongnu.org
>>> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
>>> Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
>>>
>>> Hi Yehuda,
>>> On 06/15/2015 01:01 PM, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
>>>>> Cc: Eric Auger
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Yehuda Yitschak
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:35
>>>>>> To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
>>>>>> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
>>>>>> Subject: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would to ask your advice on how to assign a semi-virtualized Ethernet port
>>>>>> to a guest VM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The eth port's HW partially supports virtualization since the data path MMIO
>>>>>> registers (which controls rx/tx operation) are duplicated per VM.
>>>>>> So for the run-time operation the guest can directly access the MMIO
>>>>>> registers, using VFIO-PLATFORM, and enjoy the performance benefit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However for the initial setup and occasional configuration the guest need to
>>>>>> access control path registers which are shared for all guests.
>>>>>> AFAIK this is usually done with HW emulation using trap & emulate with
>>>>>> QEMU.
>>>>>> So, to the best of my knowledge I need a mix of VFIO and HW emulation to
>>>>>> get the port to work with device assignment , right ?
>>>> Yes to me you're correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any standard methods for achieving this ?
>>>>>> Is there an example for such an existing HW in QEMU ?
>>>> Not yet unfortunately. To my knowledge the only platform devices that
>>>> were assigned with QEMU VFIO platform were standalone duplicated
>>>> devices, PL330, Calxeda Xgmac, SATA. So you are a trailblazer on that
>>>> track.
>>>
>>> Thanks. It's good to know the diagnosis :-)
>>>
>>> BTW - i thought SR-IOV uses a somewhat similar concept. AFAIK each virtual function (VF) gets
>>> a set of registers enabling it to perform data path but most of the configuration and management
>>> operations are controlled by the host using the Physical Function PF driver.
>>> Are you familiar with that ?
>>> i know SR-IOV is not related to VFIO-PLATFORM but if the mixed of direct access and emulation
>>> exists there as well then maybe i can borrow some concepts
> 
>> The difference for SR-IOV is that emulation of shared resources is done
>> almost entirely in the hardware.  the PF configures the VFs and may
>> interact with them to some degree at runtime, but VFs are largely
>> separate devices from a software perspective.
> 
>> The first question I would have for your device is whether there is
>> IOMMU isolation between the individual "functions".  
> 
> Yes. IOMMU isolation is possible. 
> 
>> If not, there's really nothing vfio can help with and they probably ought to be used
>> more as a macvtap interface.  If there is isolation, then I'd assume
>> we'd configure the device for direct access to the duplicated registers
>> and trap to QEMU for the emulation portion.  For things were the
>> emulation portion needs to interact with the "PF", interfaces would need
>> to be created in the kernel.
> 
> Can you give a short example of such an interface ? 
> Do you mean a special device or ioctl to handle the emulation request from QEMU/VFIO ?

doesn't it mean to instantiate a kind of KVM device registering a kvm io
bus range. And that range would be associated to a callback attacking a
PF driver in the vfio-platform driver?
> 
>> The vfio-platform pieces specific to your
>> device might be the logical place for that interaction with the PF to
>> occur, ie. emulation at the vfio-platform interface rather than in QEMU
>> itself.  Thanks,
> 
> That sounds simpler than adding QEMU to the mix. 
anyway you would need the specialized QEMU VFIO device to instantiate
the KVM device? Also that MMIO region must not be mmaped on qemu side so
there is a special job to be done here too.

Looking forward to reading you tomorrow ;-)

Eric
> However for that to happen we need to trap into the vfio-platfrom driver, right ? 
> is that possible ? 
> 
> Thanks a lot 
> 
> Yehuda 
> 
>>
>> Alex

Re: [Qemu-devel] Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

[Alex Williamson]

On Mon, 2015-06-15 at 17:45 +0000, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> ________________________________________
> From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 8:15 PM
> To: Yehuda Yitschak
> Cc: Eric Auger; qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> 
> On Mon, 2015-06-15 at 16:52 +0000, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: Eric Auger <eric.auger@linaro.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 4:42 PM
> >> To: Yehuda Yitschak; qemu-devel@nongnu.org
> >> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> >> Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> >>
> >> Hi Yehuda,
> >> On 06/15/2015 01:01 PM, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> >> >> Cc: Eric Auger
> >> >>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: Yehuda Yitschak
> >> >>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:35
> >> >>> To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
> >> >>> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> >> >>> Subject: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hello
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I would to ask your advice on how to assign a semi-virtualized Ethernet port
> >> >>> to a guest VM
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The eth port's HW partially supports virtualization since the data path MMIO
> >> >>> registers (which controls rx/tx operation) are duplicated per VM.
> >> >>> So for the run-time operation the guest can directly access the MMIO
> >> >>> registers, using VFIO-PLATFORM, and enjoy the performance benefit.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> However for the initial setup and occasional configuration the guest need to
> >> >>> access control path registers which are shared for all guests.
> >> >>> AFAIK this is usually done with HW emulation using trap & emulate with
> >> >>> QEMU.
> >> >>> So, to the best of my knowledge I need a mix of VFIO and HW emulation to
> >> >>> get the port to work with device assignment , right ?
> >> > Yes to me you're correct.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Are there any standard methods for achieving this ?
> >> >>> Is there an example for such an existing HW in QEMU ?
> >> > Not yet unfortunately. To my knowledge the only platform devices that
> >> > were assigned with QEMU VFIO platform were standalone duplicated
> >> > devices, PL330, Calxeda Xgmac, SATA. So you are a trailblazer on that
> >> > track.
> >>
> >> Thanks. It's good to know the diagnosis :-)
> >>
> >> BTW - i thought SR-IOV uses a somewhat similar concept. AFAIK each virtual function (VF) gets
> >> a set of registers enabling it to perform data path but most of the configuration and management
> >> operations are controlled by the host using the Physical Function PF driver.
> >> Are you familiar with that ?
> >> i know SR-IOV is not related to VFIO-PLATFORM but if the mixed of direct access and emulation
> >> exists there as well then maybe i can borrow some concepts
> 
> > The difference for SR-IOV is that emulation of shared resources is done
> > almost entirely in the hardware.  the PF configures the VFs and may
> >interact with them to some degree at runtime, but VFs are largely
> >separate devices from a software perspective.
> 
> > The first question I would have for your device is whether there is
> > IOMMU isolation between the individual "functions".  
> 
> Yes. IOMMU isolation is possible. 
> 
> > If not, there's really nothing vfio can help with and they probably ought to be used
> > more as a macvtap interface.  If there is isolation, then I'd assume
> > we'd configure the device for direct access to the duplicated registers
> > and trap to QEMU for the emulation portion.  For things were the
> > emulation portion needs to interact with the "PF", interfaces would need
> > to be created in the kernel.
> 
> Can you give a short example of such an interface ? 
> Do you mean a special device or ioctl to handle the emulation request from QEMU/VFIO ?

It's a trivial example, but with PCI we have a configuration space where
the first 4 bytes expose the vendor and device ID of the device.  With
an SR-IOV VF, these bytes are not populated and provided instead by the
PF via the SR-IOV capability definition on the PF.  The vfio-pci driver
therefore exposes the static PF defined vendor and device IDs though the
VF config space.  It's transparent to the user.

I would hope we wouldn't need any sort of special device or ioctl.  It
sounds like the "PF" registers are separate and distinct from the "VF"
registers, so the "PF" registers could be exposed through a separate
VFIO memory region that does not allow mmap, forcing them to be trapped
into QEMU and emulated in VFIO.

> > The vfio-platform pieces specific to your
> > device might be the logical place for that interaction with the PF to
> > occur, ie. emulation at the vfio-platform interface rather than in QEMU
> > itself.  Thanks,
> 
> That sounds simpler than adding QEMU to the mix. 
> However for that to happen we need to trap into the vfio-platfrom driver, right ? 
> is that possible ? 

Yes.  The vfio-platform driver specific to this device would expose a
memory region for those "VF" registers that does not allow mmap.  The
only access would be via read/write handlers.  You could then
emulate/gate/police access to those registers on the "PF" using kernel
internal interfaces.  It would be a kernel internal API for accessing
the PF registers.  Thanks,

Alex

Re: [Qemu-devel] Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

[Yehuda Yitschak]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Williamson [mailto:alex.williamson@redhat.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 21:32
> To: Yehuda Yitschak
> Cc: Eric Auger; qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> 
> On Mon, 2015-06-15 at 17:45 +0000, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 8:15 PM
> > To: Yehuda Yitschak
> > Cc: Eric Auger; qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> > Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> >
> > On Mon, 2015-06-15 at 16:52 +0000, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> > >> ________________________________________
> > >> From: Eric Auger <eric.auger@linaro.org>
> > >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 4:42 PM
> > >> To: Yehuda Yitschak; qemu-devel@nongnu.org
> > >> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> > >> Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> > >>
> > >> Hi Yehuda,
> > >> On 06/15/2015 01:01 PM, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> > >> >> Cc: Eric Auger
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>> From: Yehuda Yitschak
> > >> >>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:35
> > >> >>> To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
> > >> >>> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> > >> >>> Subject: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Hello
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I would to ask your advice on how to assign a semi-virtualized
> > >> >>> Ethernet port to a guest VM
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> The eth port's HW partially supports virtualization since the
> > >> >>> data path MMIO registers (which controls rx/tx operation) are
> duplicated per VM.
> > >> >>> So for the run-time operation the guest can directly access the
> > >> >>> MMIO registers, using VFIO-PLATFORM, and enjoy the
> performance benefit.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> However for the initial setup and occasional configuration the
> > >> >>> guest need to access control path registers which are shared for all
> guests.
> > >> >>> AFAIK this is usually done with HW emulation using trap &
> > >> >>> emulate with QEMU.
> > >> >>> So, to the best of my knowledge I need a mix of VFIO and HW
> > >> >>> emulation to get the port to work with device assignment , right ?
> > >> > Yes to me you're correct.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Are there any standard methods for achieving this ?
> > >> >>> Is there an example for such an existing HW in QEMU ?
> > >> > Not yet unfortunately. To my knowledge the only platform devices
> > >> > that were assigned with QEMU VFIO platform were standalone
> > >> > duplicated devices, PL330, Calxeda Xgmac, SATA. So you are a
> > >> > trailblazer on that track.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks. It's good to know the diagnosis :-)
> > >>
> > >> BTW - i thought SR-IOV uses a somewhat similar concept. AFAIK each
> > >> virtual function (VF) gets a set of registers enabling it to
> > >> perform data path but most of the configuration and management
> operations are controlled by the host using the Physical Function PF driver.
> > >> Are you familiar with that ?
> > >> i know SR-IOV is not related to VFIO-PLATFORM but if the mixed of
> > >> direct access and emulation exists there as well then maybe i can
> > >> borrow some concepts
> >
> > > The difference for SR-IOV is that emulation of shared resources is
> > >done  almost entirely in the hardware.  the PF configures the VFs and
> > >may interact with them to some degree at runtime, but VFs are largely
> > >separate devices from a software perspective.
> >
> > > The first question I would have for your device is whether there is
> > > IOMMU isolation between the individual "functions".
> >
> > Yes. IOMMU isolation is possible.
> >
> > > If not, there's really nothing vfio can help with and they probably
> > > ought to be used more as a macvtap interface.  If there is
> > > isolation, then I'd assume we'd configure the device for direct
> > > access to the duplicated registers and trap to QEMU for the
> > > emulation portion.  For things were the emulation portion needs to
> > > interact with the "PF", interfaces would need to be created in the kernel.
> >
> > Can you give a short example of such an interface ?
> > Do you mean a special device or ioctl to handle the emulation request from
> QEMU/VFIO ?
> 
> It's a trivial example, but with PCI we have a configuration space where the
> first 4 bytes expose the vendor and device ID of the device.  With an SR-IOV
> VF, these bytes are not populated and provided instead by the PF via the SR-
> IOV capability definition on the PF.  The vfio-pci driver therefore exposes the
> static PF defined vendor and device IDs though the VF config space.  It's
> transparent to the user.
> 
> I would hope we wouldn't need any sort of special device or ioctl.  It sounds
> like the "PF" registers are separate and distinct from the "VF"
> registers, so the "PF" registers could be exposed through a separate VFIO
> memory region that does not allow mmap, forcing them to be trapped into
> QEMU and emulated in VFIO.
> 
> > > The vfio-platform pieces specific to your device might be the
> > > logical place for that interaction with the PF to occur, ie.
> > > emulation at the vfio-platform interface rather than in QEMU itself.
> > > Thanks,
> >
> > That sounds simpler than adding QEMU to the mix.
> > However for that to happen we need to trap into the vfio-platfrom driver,
> right ?
> > is that possible ?
> 
> Yes.  The vfio-platform driver specific to this device would expose a memory
> region for those "VF" registers that does not allow mmap.  The only access
> would be via read/write handlers.  You could then emulate/gate/police
> access to those registers on the "PF" using kernel internal interfaces.  It
> would be a kernel internal API for accessing the PF registers.  Thanks,

Eric, Alex,  Thank you very much for all your answers and details.
From your answers it sounds like I need to extended vfio's resource query mechanism to enable flagging
certain resources as NO_MAP and then make VFIO in QEMU act accordingly.
That looks like the easier part. The more complex part in my view is to manage the trap to vfio-platform driver and emulate the access.

In any way, I will take some time to process all this into a solution and fill in some gaps in my knowledge.

Thanks again

Yehuda 

> 
> Alex

Re: [Qemu-devel] Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

[Alex Williamson]

On Tue, 2015-06-16 at 11:21 +0000, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alex Williamson [mailto:alex.williamson@redhat.com]
> > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 21:32
> > To: Yehuda Yitschak
> > Cc: Eric Auger; qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> > Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> > 
> > On Mon, 2015-06-15 at 17:45 +0000, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 8:15 PM
> > > To: Yehuda Yitschak
> > > Cc: Eric Auger; qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> > > Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2015-06-15 at 16:52 +0000, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> > > >> ________________________________________
> > > >> From: Eric Auger <eric.auger@linaro.org>
> > > >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 4:42 PM
> > > >> To: Yehuda Yitschak; qemu-devel@nongnu.org
> > > >> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> > > >> Subject: Re: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Yehuda,
> > > >> On 06/15/2015 01:01 PM, Yehuda Yitschak wrote:
> > > >> >> Cc: Eric Auger
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >>> From: Yehuda Yitschak
> > > >> >>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:35
> > > >> >>> To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
> > > >> >>> Cc: Yuval Caduri; Shadi Ammouri
> > > >> >>> Subject: Assigning an eth port to a guest VM
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Hello
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> I would to ask your advice on how to assign a semi-virtualized
> > > >> >>> Ethernet port to a guest VM
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> The eth port's HW partially supports virtualization since the
> > > >> >>> data path MMIO registers (which controls rx/tx operation) are
> > duplicated per VM.
> > > >> >>> So for the run-time operation the guest can directly access the
> > > >> >>> MMIO registers, using VFIO-PLATFORM, and enjoy the
> > performance benefit.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> However for the initial setup and occasional configuration the
> > > >> >>> guest need to access control path registers which are shared for all
> > guests.
> > > >> >>> AFAIK this is usually done with HW emulation using trap &
> > > >> >>> emulate with QEMU.
> > > >> >>> So, to the best of my knowledge I need a mix of VFIO and HW
> > > >> >>> emulation to get the port to work with device assignment , right ?
> > > >> > Yes to me you're correct.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Are there any standard methods for achieving this ?
> > > >> >>> Is there an example for such an existing HW in QEMU ?
> > > >> > Not yet unfortunately. To my knowledge the only platform devices
> > > >> > that were assigned with QEMU VFIO platform were standalone
> > > >> > duplicated devices, PL330, Calxeda Xgmac, SATA. So you are a
> > > >> > trailblazer on that track.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks. It's good to know the diagnosis :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> BTW - i thought SR-IOV uses a somewhat similar concept. AFAIK each
> > > >> virtual function (VF) gets a set of registers enabling it to
> > > >> perform data path but most of the configuration and management
> > operations are controlled by the host using the Physical Function PF driver.
> > > >> Are you familiar with that ?
> > > >> i know SR-IOV is not related to VFIO-PLATFORM but if the mixed of
> > > >> direct access and emulation exists there as well then maybe i can
> > > >> borrow some concepts
> > >
> > > > The difference for SR-IOV is that emulation of shared resources is
> > > >done  almost entirely in the hardware.  the PF configures the VFs and
> > > >may interact with them to some degree at runtime, but VFs are largely
> > > >separate devices from a software perspective.
> > >
> > > > The first question I would have for your device is whether there is
> > > > IOMMU isolation between the individual "functions".
> > >
> > > Yes. IOMMU isolation is possible.
> > >
> > > > If not, there's really nothing vfio can help with and they probably
> > > > ought to be used more as a macvtap interface.  If there is
> > > > isolation, then I'd assume we'd configure the device for direct
> > > > access to the duplicated registers and trap to QEMU for the
> > > > emulation portion.  For things were the emulation portion needs to
> > > > interact with the "PF", interfaces would need to be created in the kernel.
> > >
> > > Can you give a short example of such an interface ?
> > > Do you mean a special device or ioctl to handle the emulation request from
> > QEMU/VFIO ?
> > 
> > It's a trivial example, but with PCI we have a configuration space where the
> > first 4 bytes expose the vendor and device ID of the device.  With an SR-IOV
> > VF, these bytes are not populated and provided instead by the PF via the SR-
> > IOV capability definition on the PF.  The vfio-pci driver therefore exposes the
> > static PF defined vendor and device IDs though the VF config space.  It's
> > transparent to the user.
> > 
> > I would hope we wouldn't need any sort of special device or ioctl.  It sounds
> > like the "PF" registers are separate and distinct from the "VF"
> > registers, so the "PF" registers could be exposed through a separate VFIO
> > memory region that does not allow mmap, forcing them to be trapped into
> > QEMU and emulated in VFIO.
> > 
> > > > The vfio-platform pieces specific to your device might be the
> > > > logical place for that interaction with the PF to occur, ie.
> > > > emulation at the vfio-platform interface rather than in QEMU itself.
> > > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > That sounds simpler than adding QEMU to the mix.
> > > However for that to happen we need to trap into the vfio-platfrom driver,
> > right ?
> > > is that possible ?
> > 
> > Yes.  The vfio-platform driver specific to this device would expose a memory
> > region for those "VF" registers that does not allow mmap.  The only access
> > would be via read/write handlers.  You could then emulate/gate/police
> > access to those registers on the "PF" using kernel internal interfaces.  It
> > would be a kernel internal API for accessing the PF registers.  Thanks,
> 
> Eric, Alex,  Thank you very much for all your answers and details.
> From your answers it sounds like I need to extended vfio's resource query mechanism to enable flagging
> certain resources as NO_MAP and then make VFIO in QEMU act accordingly.
> That looks like the easier part. The more complex part in my view is to manage the trap to vfio-platform driver and emulate the access.
> 
> In any way, I will take some time to process all this into a solution and fill in some gaps in my knowledge.

TBH, I don't see any need to extend VFIO based on your needs so far.
VFIO already has the ability to describe whether a region supports mmap.
If it doesn't support mmap, QEMU has no choice but to use an I/O memory
region and translate VM accesses into reads and writes.  vfio-pci
already makes extensive use of this capability today.  I/O port regions
don't support mmap on x86, so those regions never expose an mmap capable
flag.  We also require page alignment for mmap, so regions that are not
page aligned don't expose mmap for MMIO regions.  PCI config space also
does not support mmap because of the emulation and virtualization we do
in that space.  So not supporting mmap is really not uncommon.  You
might want to look at my slides from KVM Forum 2013 [1] which shows how
VFIO can really be thought of as a conduit for decomposing a device
through a file descriptor.  QEMU then recomposes it back into a device
through the QEMU driver model.  Since platform devices have no standard
like PCI to provide self discovery, there are device specific drivers on
both ends with vfio-platform.  Thanks,

Alex

[1] http://www.linux-kvm.org/images/e/ed/Kvm-forum-2013-VFIO-VGA.pdf

Re: [Qemu-devel] Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

[Yehuda Yitschak]

> >
> >  Eric, Alex,  Thank you very much for all your answers and details.
> > From your answers it sounds like I need to extended vfio's resource query mechanism to enable flagging
> > certain resources as NO_MAP and then make VFIO in QEMU act accordingly.
> > That looks like the easier part. The more complex part in my view is to manage the trap to vfio-platform driver and emulate the access.
> >
> > In any way, I will take some time to process all this into a solution and fill in some gaps in my knowledge.
> 
> TBH, I don't see any need to extend VFIO based on your needs so far.
> VFIO already has the ability to describe whether a region supports mmap.
> If it doesn't support mmap, QEMU has no choice but to use an I/O memory
> region and translate VM accesses into reads and writes.  vfio-pci
> already makes extensive use of this capability today.  I/O port regions
> don't support mmap on x86, so those regions never expose an mmap capable
> flag.  We also require page alignment for mmap, so regions that are not
> page aligned don't expose mmap for MMIO regions.  PCI config space also
> does not support mmap because of the emulation and virtualization we do
> in that space.  So not supporting mmap is really not uncommon.  You
> might want to look at my slides from KVM Forum 2013 [1] which shows how
> VFIO can really be thought of as a conduit for decomposing a device
> through a file descriptor.  QEMU then recomposes it back into a device
> through the QEMU driver model.  Since platform devices have no standard
> like PCI to provide self discovery, there are device specific drivers on
> both ends with vfio-platform.  Thanks,

Ok...it looks like i need dig in some more into the code :)
This is very helpful.
Thanks 

Yehuda 

> 
> Alex
> 
> [1] http://www.linux-kvm.org/images/e/ed/Kvm-forum-2013-VFIO-VGA.pdf

[Qemu-devel] Assigning an eth port to a guest VM

[Yehuda Yitschak]

Hello 

I would to ask your advice on how to assign a semi-virtualized Ethernet port to a guest VM

The eth port's HW partially supports virtualization since the data path MMIO registers (which controls rx/tx operation) are duplicated per VM.
So for the run-time operation the guest can directly access the MMIO registers, using VFIO-PLATFORM, and enjoy the performance benefit.

However for the initial setup and occasional configuration the guest need to access control path registers which are shared for all guests.
AFAIK this is usually done with HW emulation using trap & emulate with QEMU. 
So, to the best of my knowledge I need a mix of VFIO and HW emulation to get the port to work with device assignment , right ?

Are there any standard methods for achieving this ?
Is there an example for such an existing HW in QEMU ?

Thanks 

Yehuda Yitschak