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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 22/23] sysctl arm: Remove binary sysctl support
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:01:07 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1r5s6n70c.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091109154621.GG26740@basil.fritz.box> (Andi Kleen's message of "Mon\, 9 Nov 2009 16\:46\:21 +0100")

Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> writes:

>> can still use the  config option for the compatibility code.
>> There wouldn't even be a performance penalty over new glibc with
>> new kernels which already use procfs.
>
> When he drops the sysctl(2) API completely the old userland will
> be unhappy.

When it comes to breaking user space the issue is not glibc or
anything in a open source distribution.  There are maybe 3 apps that
are affected at all and as far as I can tell they were all fixed long
ago.  Last time I investigated this in 2007 none of the existing
userlands would break if sysctl was disabled completely.

The issue is all of the in-house and 3rd party software, that we don't
have access to.  We have no way of knowing what is used.  So I do not
favor a solution that kills some but not all sysctls.  Either you
might need them or you don't.

So the decision must be made to you break the rare app from the writer
who has given you no feed back after you have given him fair warning,
or do you try and support him forever, with code that no cares about
and no one tests.

I think the solution in sysctl_binary.c strikes a good balance there.
The code is simple and should survive a long time with little to no
maintenance, so it is good if we need decide we are too chicken to
disable the sysctl system call, and at the same time my changes remove
the support overhead from everywhere else.

Further with the existence of a single file for all of the binary
sysctls we can modify it to strike any other balance between long term
maintainability, and removal of unused cruft.

I am happy to see additional patches from anyone else who chooses to seek
a different balance.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-10  8:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-08 12:16 [PATCH 00/23] Removal of binary sysctl support Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:21 ` [PATCH 01/23] sysctl: Remove the unused frv sysctl unumbers Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:21 ` [PATCH 02/23] sysctl: Stop using binary sysctl numbers in arlan Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-11 21:07   ` John W. Linville
2009-11-08 12:21 ` [PATCH 03/23] sysctl: Reduce sys_sysctl to a compatibility wrapper around /proc/sys Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:21 ` [PATCH 04/23] sysctl: Neuter the generic sysctl strategy routines Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:21 ` [PATCH 05/23] sysctl: Remove dead code from sysctl_check Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:21 ` [PATCH 06/23] sysctl: Remove references to ctl_name and strategy from the generic sysctl table Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:21 ` [PATCH 07/23] sysctl: Don't look at ctl_name and strategy in the generic code Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:21 ` [PATCH 08/23] sysctl ipc: Remove dead binary sysctl support code Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:21 ` [PATCH 09/23] sysctl net: Remove unused binary sysctl code Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:21 ` [PATCH 10/23] sysctl fs: Remove dead binary sysctl support Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:21 ` [PATCH 11/23] sysctl kernel: Remove binary sysctl logic Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:21 ` [PATCH 12/23] sysctl security/keys: Remove dead binary sysctl support Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:22 ` [PATCH 13/23] sysctl crypto: " Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 15:44   ` Herbert Xu
2009-11-08 12:22 ` [PATCH 14/23] sysctl drivers: " Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-09  8:17   ` Clemens Ladisch
2009-11-08 12:22 ` [PATCH 15/23] sysctl mips/lasat: " Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-09 14:10   ` Ralf Baechle
2009-11-08 12:22 ` [PATCH 16/23] sysctl frv: " Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:22 ` [PATCH 17/23] sysctl s390: Remove dead sysctl binary support Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:22 ` [PATCH 18/23] sysctl ia64: Remove dead binary sysctl support Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:22 ` [PATCH 19/23] sysctl powerpc: " Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 20:44   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-11-08 12:22 ` [PATCH 20/23] sysctl sh: " Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:22 ` [PATCH 21/23] sysctl x86: " Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:22 ` [PATCH 22/23] sysctl arm: Remove " Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:34   ` Russell King
2009-11-08 22:45     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 22:56       ` Russell King
2009-11-08 23:31         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 23:34           ` Russell King
2009-11-08 23:05       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-09  0:48         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-09  3:27           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-09  4:57             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-11-09  5:37               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-09  9:38                 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-09 11:45                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-09 12:04                     ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-09 12:41                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-09 13:28                         ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-09 15:28                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-09 15:46                             ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-09 16:23                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-10  4:42                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-10  8:01                               ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2009-11-11  2:31                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-09 12:42                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 12:22 ` [PATCH 23/23] sysctl: Remove the last of the generic " Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-08 13:06 ` [PATCH 00/23] Removal of " Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-09  3:44   ` Eric W. Biederman

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