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From: Ken Goldman <kgoldman-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: tpmdd-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Question on Linux TSS architecture design (kernel vs. user space access)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:10:35 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <n5144n$1ug$1@ger.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151218114131.GA3287-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On 12/18/2015 6:41 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>
> For me this discussion seems a bit paralyzed. If one wants to do
> something for the issue, one should send a patch or patches and then we
> can see how elegant the solution is and how much it does or does not
> interfere the user space. That's why enumerated the technical
> constraints for TPM2 in my previous responses and otherwise have been
> quite passive. I'm not too interested on this "philosophical" side.

As a developer, the philosophical side is #1 in importance.

A resource manager isn't a little patch.  It's a large, complex project 
which will take perhaps 6 months to code and test.  No one wants to 
spend those months and then have the code rejected for philosophical 
reasons.

If the community agrees that a RM in the kernel will be accepted if the 
code is of good quality and well tested, we can do it.

If the community won't accept the code under any conditions, tell us 
now.  We'll fall back on the user space resource manager, the limited 
resource manager in the kernel, and all the hacks required to have them 
work together.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-18 14:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-13 15:42 [PATCH v2 0/3] TPM 2.0 trusted key features for v4.5 Jarkko Sakkinen
2015-12-13 15:42 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2015-12-13 15:42 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2015-12-13 15:42 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] keys, trusted: fix: *do not* allow duplicate key options Jarkko Sakkinen
2015-12-14 13:46   ` Mimi Zohar
2015-12-14 14:54     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2015-12-13 15:42 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] keys, trusted: select hash algorithm for TPM2 chips Jarkko Sakkinen
2015-12-13 15:42   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2015-12-13 15:42 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] keys, trusted: seal with a TPM2 authorization policy Jarkko Sakkinen
2015-12-14 13:49   ` Mimi Zohar
2015-12-14 14:56     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
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     [not found]         ` <20151215233237.GA31965@obsidianresearch.com>
     [not found]           ` <201512161652.tBGGqWPG019442@d03av04.boulder.ibm.com>
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     [not found]                 ` <20151216174523.GC32594@obsidianresearch.com>
     [not found]                   ` <201512161804.tBGI47vu000331@d01av02.pok.ibm.com>
     [not found]                     ` <C5A28EF7B98F574C85C70238C8E9ECC04E69407545@ABGEX74E.FSC.NET>
     [not found]                       ` <9F48E1A823B03B4790B7E6E69430724DA5864641@EXCH2010A.sit.fraunhofer.de>
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2015-12-18  0:57                           ` Question on Linux TSS architecture design (kernel vs. user space access) Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                       ` <201512171523.tBHFNlJ6013434@d03av03.boulder.ibm.com>
     [not found]                         ` <9F48E1A823B03B4790B7E6E69430724DA58648F1@EXCH2010A.sit.fraunhofer.de>
     [not found]                           ` <201512171620.tBHGK3GE030569@d03av04.boulder.ibm.com>
     [not found]                             ` <9F48E1A823B03B4790B7E6E69430724DA586493C@EXCH2010A.sit.fraunhofer.de>
     [not found]                               ` <9F48E1A823B03B4790B7E6E69430724DA586493C-wI35/lLZEdT5yyJIIHUSGGSU2VBt9E6NG9Ur7JDdleE@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-18 10:06                                 ` Wilck, Martin
     [not found]                                   ` <C5A28EF7B98F574C85C70238C8E9ECC04E6940754C-bIoXcEM4pvRAuK1PVaBULA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-18 10:51                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                                       ` <20151218105148.GA12882-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-18 10:53                                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                                           ` <20151218105323.GB12882-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-18 11:09                                             ` Wilck, Martin
     [not found]                                               ` <C5A28EF7B98F574C85C70238C8E9ECC04E6940754D-bIoXcEM4pvRAuK1PVaBULA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-18 11:41                                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                                                   ` <20151218114131.GA3287-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-18 14:10                                                     ` Ken Goldman [this message]
2015-12-21 13:22                                                       ` Fuchs, Andreas
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2015-12-21 14:23                                                           ` Stefan Berger
2015-12-22 21:23                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                             ` <20151222212348.GB9461-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-23 15:02                                                               ` Ken Goldman
2015-12-24 11:42                                                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                                                                   ` <20151224114241.GA5119-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-24 15:09                                                                     ` Ken Goldman
2016-01-02 20:39                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                         ` <20160102203957.GA19490-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-03 13:53                                                                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                                                                             ` <20160103135346.GA4047-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-04 16:22                                                                               ` Fuchs, Andreas
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <9F48E1A823B03B4790B7E6E69430724DA5877E95-wI35/lLZEdRyXeJKmmMAp2SU2VBt9E6NG9Ur7JDdleE@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-04 18:19                                                                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20160104181915.GA15908-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-04 20:06                                                                                       ` Mimi Zohar
2016-01-05  9:43                                                                                       ` Fuchs, Andreas
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <9F48E1A823B03B4790B7E6E69430724DA58784A8-wI35/lLZEdRyXeJKmmMAp2SU2VBt9E6NG9Ur7JDdleE@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-05 13:13                                                                                           ` Mimi Zohar
2016-01-05 17:39                                                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-12-22  6:59                                                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                                                         ` <20151222065917.GB7867-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-04 16:07                                                           ` Fuchs, Andreas
2016-01-07 21:07                                                           ` TPM2 resource manager vendor specific commands Ken Goldman
     [not found]                       ` <201512171533.tBHFXn35003792@d03av02.boulder.ibm.com>
     [not found]                         ` <201512171533.tBHFXn35003792-nNA/7dmquNI+UXBhvPuGgqsjOiXwFzmk@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-18 11:21                           ` Question on Linux TSS architecture design (kernel vs. user space access) Wilck, Martin
     [not found]                             ` <C5A28EF7B98F574C85C70238C8E9ECC04E6940754E-bIoXcEM4pvRAuK1PVaBULA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-18 11:51                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                                 ` <20151218115137.GA4774-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-18 11:57                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2015-12-18 13:40                               ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                       ` <C5A28EF7B98F574C85C70238C8E9ECC04E69407545-bIoXcEM4pvRAuK1PVaBULA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-18 15:03                         ` Kenneth Goldman

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