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From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
To: Yu-Hsuan Hsu <yuhsuan@chromium.org>
Cc: Guennadi Liakhovetski <guennadi.liakhovetski@linux.intel.com>,
	"alsa-devel@alsa-project.org" <alsa-devel@alsa-project.org>,
	Kai Vehmanen <kai.vehmanen@linux.intel.com>,
	Kuninori Morimoto <kuninori.morimoto.gx@renesas.com>,
	"Rojewski, Cezary" <cezary.rojewski@intel.com>,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.com>,
	Jie Yang <yang.jie@linux.intel.com>,
	Pierre-Louis Bossart <pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Liam Girdwood <liam.r.girdwood@linux.intel.com>,
	Sam McNally <sammc@chromium.org>, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	"yuhsuan@google.com" <yuhsuan@google.com>,
	Ranjani Sridharan <ranjani.sridharan@linux.intel.com>,
	Daniel Stuart <daniel.stuart14@gmail.com>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	"Lu, Brent" <brent.lu@intel.com>,
	Damian van Soelen <dj.vsoelen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/2] ASoC: Intel: Add period size constraint on strago board
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 10:45:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <s5h8sejvsrs.wl-tiwai@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGvk5PpvhjyvETcGS0212XnLPaL71A8D2qMW55rSQZxseOffmw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 10:36:57 +0200,
Yu-Hsuan Hsu wrote:
> 
> Lu, Brent <brent.lu@intel.com> 於 2020年8月13日 週四 下午3:55寫道:
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > CRAS calls snd_pcm_hw_params_set_buffer_size_max() to use as large
> > > > > buffer as possible. So the period size is an arbitrary number in
> > > > > different platforms. Atom SST platform happens to be 256, and CML
> > > > > SOF platform is 1056 for example.
> > > >
> > > > ok, but earlier in this thread it was mentioned that values such as
> > > > 432 are not suitable. the statement above seems to mean the period
> > > > actual value is a "don't care", so I don't quite see why this specific
> > > > patch2 restricting the value to 240 is necessary. Patch1 is needed for
> > > > sure,
> > > > Patch2 is where Takashi and I are not convinced.
> > >
> > > I have downloaded the patch1 but it does not work. After applying patch1,
> > > the default period size changes to 320. However, it also has the same issue
> > > with period size 320. (It can be verified by aplay.)
> >
> > The period_size is related to the audio latency so it's decided by application
> > according to the use case it's running. That's why there are concerns about
> > patch 2 and also you cannot find similar constraints in other machine driver.
> You're right. However, the problem here is the provided period size
> does not work. Like 256, setting the period size to 320 also makes
> users have big latency in the DSP ring buffer.
> 
> localhost ~ # aplay -Dhw:1,0 --period-size=320 --buffer-size=640
> /dev/zero -d 1 -f dat --test-position
> Playing raw data '/dev/zero' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000
> Hz, Stereo
> Suspicious buffer position (1 total): avail = 0, delay = 2640, buffer = 640
> Suspicious buffer position (2 total): avail = 0, delay = 2640, buffer = 640
> Suspicious buffer position (3 total): avail = 0, delay = 2720, buffer = 640
> ...

It means that the delay value returned from the driver is bogus.
I suppose it comes pcm_delay value calculated in sst_calc_tstamp(),
but haven't followed the code closely yet.  Maybe checking the debug
outputs can help to trace what's going wrong.


Takashi

> 
> >
> > Another problem is the buffer size. Too large buffer is not just wasting memories.
> > It also creates problems to memory allocator since continuous pages are not
> > always there. Using a small period_count like 2 or 4 should be sufficient for audio
> > data transfer.
> >
> > buffer_size = period_size * period_count * 1000000 / sample_rate;
> > snd_pcm_hw_params_set_buffer_time_near(mPcmDevice, params, &buffer_size, NULL);
> >
> > And one more problem here: you need to decide period_size and period_count
> > first in order to calculate the buffer size...
> It's a good point. I will bring it up to our team and see whether we
> can use the smaller buffer size. Thanks!
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Brent
> 
> Thanks,
> Yu-Hsuan
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-13  8:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-29 11:03 [PATCH 0/2] Add period size constraint for Atom Chromebook Brent Lu
2020-07-29 11:03 ` [PATCH 1/2] ASoC: intel: atom: Add period size constraint Brent Lu
2020-07-29 11:19   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-29 11:03 ` [PATCH 2/2] ASoC: Intel: Add period size constraint on strago board Brent Lu
2020-07-29 14:08   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-07-30  8:02     ` Lu, Brent
2020-07-30 15:27       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-07-30 15:44         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-07-30 16:17           ` Lu, Brent
2020-07-30 16:56         ` Takashi Iwai
2020-07-31 12:28           ` Lu, Brent
2020-07-29 11:20 ` [PATCH 0/2] Add period size constraint for Atom Chromebook Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-31 12:26 ` [PATCH v3 " Brent Lu
2020-07-31 12:26   ` [PATCH v3 1/2] ASoC: intel: atom: Add period size constraint Brent Lu
2020-07-31 12:26   ` [PATCH v3 2/2] ASoC: Intel: Add period size constraint on strago board Brent Lu
2020-07-31 13:34     ` Takashi Iwai
2020-08-01  8:58       ` Lu, Brent
2020-08-01  9:26         ` Takashi Iwai
2020-08-03 13:00           ` Lu, Brent
2020-08-03 15:13             ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-08-03 16:45               ` Lu, Brent
2020-08-03 16:56                 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-08-04  4:33                   ` Lu, Brent
2020-08-04 14:24                     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-08-06 16:41                       ` Lu, Brent
2020-08-10 15:03                         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-08-10 17:38                           ` Yu-Hsuan Hsu
2020-08-11  2:16                             ` Lu, Brent
2020-08-11  2:29                               ` Yu-Hsuan Hsu
2020-08-11  7:43                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-08-11  8:25                                   ` Yu-Hsuan Hsu
2020-08-11  8:39                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2020-08-11  9:35                                       ` Yu-Hsuan Hsu
2020-08-11 14:53                                         ` Mark Brown
2020-08-11 16:54                                           ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-08-11 17:22                                             ` Mark Brown
2020-08-12  3:09                                               ` Yu-Hsuan Hsu
2020-08-12  6:13                                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2020-08-12  6:53                                                   ` Yu-Hsuan Hsu
2020-08-12  6:58                                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2020-08-12  7:43                                                       ` Yu-Hsuan Hsu
2020-08-12  7:47                                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2020-08-12 14:46                                                           ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-08-12 14:55                                                             ` Takashi Iwai
2020-08-12 15:54                                                               ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-08-12 16:08                                                                 ` Lu, Brent
2020-08-12 16:38                                                                   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-08-13  6:24                                                                     ` Yu-Hsuan Hsu
2020-08-13  7:55                                                                       ` Lu, Brent
2020-08-13  8:36                                                                         ` Yu-Hsuan Hsu
2020-08-13  8:45                                                                           ` Takashi Iwai [this message]
2020-08-13 12:57                                                                             ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-08-13 17:15                                                                               ` Yu-Hsuan Hsu
2020-08-21 16:40   ` [PATCH v3 0/2] Add period size constraint for Atom Chromebook Mark Brown

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