From: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>, Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>,
Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
KP Singh <kpsingh@chromium.org>, Jiri Olsa <olsajiri@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] bpf: Add fprobe link
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 12:17:10 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220204121710.bf29138c4d581bcbcce639fc@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQKjNJjZDs+ZV7vcusEkKuDq+sWhSD3M5GtvNeZMx3Fcmg@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:42:22 -0800
Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:19 PM Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:12:11 -0800
> > Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > No, fprobe is NOT kprobe on ftrace, kprobe on ftrace is already implemented
> > > > transparently.
> > >
> > > Not true.
> > > fprobe is nothing but _explicit_ kprobe on ftrace.
> > > There was an implicit optimization for kprobe when ftrace
> > > could be used.
> > > All this new interface is doing is making it explicit.
> > > So a new name is not warranted here.
> > >
> > > > from that viewpoint, fprobe and kprobe interface are similar but different.
> > >
> > > What is the difference?
> > > I don't see it.
> >
> > IIUC, a kprobe on a function (or ftrace, aka fprobe) gives some extra
> > abilities that a normal kprobe does not. Namely, "what is the function
> > parameters?"
> >
> > You can only reliably get the parameters at function entry. Hence, by
> > having a probe that is unique to functions as supposed to the middle of a
> > function, makes sense to me.
> >
> > That is, the API can change. "Give me parameter X". That along with some
> > BTF reading, could figure out how to get parameter X, and record that.
>
> This is more or less a description of kprobe on ftrace :)
> The bpf+kprobe users were relying on that for a long time.
> See PT_REGS_PARM1() macros in bpf_tracing.h
> They're meaningful only with kprobe on ftrace.
> So, no, fprobe is not inventing anything new here.
>
> No one is using kprobe in the middle of the function.
> It's too difficult to make anything useful out of it,
> so no one bothers.
Perf-probe makes it very easy, as easy as gdb does. :-)
Thank you,
> When people say "kprobe" 99 out of 100 they mean
> kprobe on ftrace/fentry.
--
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-02-04 3:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-02-02 13:53 [PATCH 0/8] bpf: Add fprobe link Jiri Olsa
2022-02-02 13:53 ` [PATCH 1/8] bpf: Add support to attach kprobe program with fprobe Jiri Olsa
2022-02-07 18:59 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-02-08 8:56 ` Jiri Olsa
2022-02-02 13:53 ` [PATCH 2/8] bpf: Add bpf_get_func_ip kprobe helper for fprobe link Jiri Olsa
2022-02-07 18:59 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-02-07 21:01 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-02-09 15:01 ` Jiri Olsa
2022-02-09 16:05 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-02-09 19:14 ` Jiri Olsa
2022-02-02 13:53 ` [PATCH 3/8] bpf: Add bpf_cookie support to fprobe Jiri Olsa
2022-02-07 18:59 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-02-08 9:07 ` Jiri Olsa
2022-02-08 23:35 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-02-08 23:46 ` Jiri Olsa
2022-02-08 23:53 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-02-02 13:53 ` [PATCH 4/8] libbpf: Add libbpf__kallsyms_parse function Jiri Olsa
2022-02-07 18:59 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-02-08 9:08 ` Jiri Olsa
2022-02-02 13:53 ` [PATCH 5/8] libbpf: Add bpf_link_create support for multi kprobes Jiri Olsa
2022-02-02 13:53 ` [PATCH 6/8] libbpf: Add bpf_program__attach_kprobe_opts " Jiri Olsa
2022-02-07 18:59 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-02-08 9:12 ` Jiri Olsa
2022-02-02 13:53 ` [PATCH 7/8] selftest/bpf: Add fprobe attach test Jiri Olsa
2022-02-02 13:53 ` [PATCH 8/8] selftest/bpf: Add fprobe test for bpf_cookie values Jiri Olsa
2022-02-07 18:59 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-02-08 9:15 ` Jiri Olsa
2022-02-08 23:24 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-02-02 17:09 ` [PATCH 0/8] bpf: Add fprobe link Alexei Starovoitov
2022-02-02 17:24 ` Jiri Olsa
2022-02-02 17:30 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-02-03 15:06 ` Jiri Olsa
2022-02-04 0:46 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-04 1:34 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-02-04 2:07 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-04 2:12 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-02-04 2:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-02-04 2:42 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-02-04 3:17 ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2022-02-04 3:59 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-15 13:21 ` Jiri Olsa
2022-02-16 18:27 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-02-17 14:03 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-17 22:01 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-02-18 4:07 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-18 19:46 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-02-19 2:10 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-02-21 7:18 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-02-22 12:42 ` Jiri Olsa
2022-02-04 3:14 ` Masami Hiramatsu
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