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From: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
To: Max Staudt <mstaudt@suse.de>
Cc: linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, michal@markovi.net,
	b.zolnierkie@samsung.com, sndirsch@suse.com, oneukum@suse.com,
	tiwai@suse.com, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, philm@manjaro.org,
	bernhard.rosenkranzer@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 03/13] bootsplash: Flush framebuffer after drawing
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:23:13 +0100
Message-ID: <20171219122313.GE26573@phenom.ffwll.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d66a994a-cb3a-c1fb-8f91-adbd475a40f0@suse.de>

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 04:36:49PM +0100, Max Staudt wrote:
> On 12/13/2017 10:35 PM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > Using drm directly would allow you to flush the contents without the fake
> > (and tbh, really expensive on most drivers) copy op. If you insist on
> > using fbdev for this stuff, then at least add a new hook to flush cpu
> > rendering.
> 
> My reasoning is as follows:
> 
> 1) The splash screen is meant to appear as early as possible in the boot
> process, and even on devices that don't have a DRM driver. For example,
> an ARM box with only efifb. Thus, the choice to work on top of FB.
> 
> 2) We need to go out of the way when a graphical application starts, and
> come back when it's done. fbcon already has the logic for this, and
> fbcon is also the thing we're trying to hide. So it seems natural to add
> the splash on top of fbcon - at least for now.

And this "automatically disappear" semantics is horribly ill-defined
between fbdev and native kms. So you're not really solving a problem,
you're just not noticing the hacks because they're one layer removed (in
the fbdev emulation code).

> 3) I can't use DRM from the kernel, for the same reason for which there
> is no "drmcon" to supplant fbcon: There is no interface to reserve
> framebuffer memory from kernel space: To get memory for a framebuffer,
> one needs to have a struct file that is passed through the DRM stack
> down into the drivers.

On recent kernels you only need a struct drm_file, not a struct file. That
can be NULL. We've done this to make drmcon possible/easier.

> If this interface existed, then there could be a generic "fb2drm"
> translation layer, and we would no longer need FB compatibility code in
> each KMS driver. Actually, I tried to implement this translation layer a
> year ago, and hit too many walls.

We're pretty much there already I think. The reason it's not entirely gone
is that there's some nasty interactions between drm and the fbdev
emulation, and just having a pile of drivers that aren't too trivial to
convert.

> I've prepared the code for a future in which fbdev no longer exists: My
> sysfs interface is generically called "bootsplash", in the hope that it
> will one day move on top of KMS. The hooks into fbcon are minimal and
> the code is straightforward to port to KMS operations rather than FB.
> But that's for another day, as far as I can see.
> 
> 4) I don't fully understand what you'd like me to do. Last time I tried
> to add a new entry to the fbops struct (namely fb_open_adj_file()), you
> told me not to touch the framebuffer subsystem anymore, as it is meant
> to die and driver developers shall use KMS instead. Have I
> misunderstood?

I still don't like anyone adding features to fbdev :-)

> Something like fb->flush() to finish kernel space accesses would be nice
> to have, but would need to be implemented for all affected drivers
> separately. The copy op hack is ugly, but solves the problem
> generically.

Well, with defio being the hack it is (and because of that, a bunch of drm
drivers not really supporting it) I'm not sure things actually work better
without all this.

> What shall I do?
> 
> Shall I add a new FB op for flushing when writing to the raw memory from the kernel?
> As far as I can see, it would be needed for defio drivers only, is that correct?

Yes, which are kinda horrible anyway. I guess you could at least not do
all these hacks if it's not a defio driver.
-Daniel

> 
> 
> >> +	 *
> >> +	 * A few DRM drivers' FB implementations are broken by not using
> >> +	 * deferred_io when they really should - we match on the known
> >> +	 * bad ones manually for now.
> >> +	 */
> >> +	if (info->fbdefio
> >> +	    || !strcmp(info->fix.id, "astdrmfb")
> >> +	    || !strcmp(info->fix.id, "cirrusdrmfb")
> >> +	    || !strcmp(info->fix.id, "mgadrmfb")) {
> > 
> > We have a shared defio implementation now in drm_fb_helper.c, there's not
> > really many excuses to not fix up these drivers to just use those ...
> 
> I'll look into it.
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> Max
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Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-13 19:47 [RFC PATCH v2 00/13] Kernel based bootsplash Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/13] bootsplash: Initial implementation showing black screen Max Staudt
2017-12-13 23:55   ` Randy Dunlap
2017-12-14 15:37     ` Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/13] bootsplash: Add file reading and picture rendering Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/13] bootsplash: Flush framebuffer after drawing Max Staudt
2017-12-13 21:35   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-14 15:36     ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 12:23       ` Daniel Vetter [this message]
2017-12-19 13:34         ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 13:57           ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-19 14:07             ` Oliver Neukum
2017-12-31 12:53               ` Alan Cox
2018-01-03 18:04                 ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 15:41             ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 16:02               ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-19 16:23                 ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20  9:45                   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-19 16:09               ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-19 16:26                 ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 21:01               ` Ray Strode
2017-12-20 13:14                 ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 15:35                   ` Ray Strode
2017-12-20 16:52                     ` Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/13] bootsplash: Add corner positioning Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/13] bootsplash: Add animation support Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/13] vt: Redraw bootsplash fully on console_unblank Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/13] vt: Add keyboard hook to disable bootsplash Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/13] sysrq: Disable bootsplash on SAK Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/13] fbcon: Disable bootsplash on oops Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/13] Documentation: Add bootsplash main documentation Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/13] bootsplash: sysfs entries to load and unload files Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/13] tools/bootsplash: Add a basic splash file creation tool Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/13] tools/bootsplash: Add script and data to create sample file Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/13] Kernel based bootsplash Max Staudt
2017-12-19 16:16 ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-19 17:04   ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 17:26     ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-19 18:40       ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20  9:43         ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-20 10:06           ` Neil Armstrong
2017-12-20 10:14             ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-20 14:55               ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 15:11                 ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-20 15:19                   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-20 15:22                     ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-20 16:23                     ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 16:15                   ` Max Staudt
2017-12-31 12:44                   ` Alan Cox
2018-01-03 18:00                     ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 14:16             ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 14:10           ` Max Staudt
2017-12-31 12:35         ` Alan Cox
2018-01-03 17:56           ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 20:30     ` Ray Strode
2017-12-20 13:03       ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 15:21         ` Ray Strode
2017-12-20 16:44           ` Max Staudt
2017-12-21 14:51             ` Ray Strode
2017-12-21 16:32               ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 11:08   ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-12-20 11:22     ` Daniel Stone
2017-12-20 12:48       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-12-29 17:13   ` Jani Nikula
2018-01-03 17:38     ` Max Staudt
2017-12-21  9:48 ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-21 16:52   ` Max Staudt
2017-12-21 15:00 ` Philip Müller

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