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From: "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Marc Branchaud <marcnarc@xiplink.com>,
	Marat Radchenko <marat@slonopotamus.org>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: pull.prompt or other way to slow/disable 'git pull'
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 17:05:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140503000530.GP28634@odin.tremily.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53641a1be8d24_1c7bdcd2f049@nysa.notmuch>

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On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 05:20:11PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> W. Trevor King wrote:
> > > > The 'git pull' (with 'none' mode) explainer just helps retrain folks
> > > > that are already using the current 'git pull' incorrectly.
> > > 
> > > If you are going to train them to use a configuration, it should be:
> > > 
> > > % git config --global pull.ff false
> > 
> > I don't want all pulls to be --no-ff, only pulls from topic branches.
> 
> Pulling some branch to a topic branch, or pulling a topic branch to
> another branch?

The latter.  Here's a more detailed list:

1. HEAD: an integration branch (master, maint, …)
   target: @{upstream}, branch.*.pushremote, and other mirrors
   my preferred integration mode: ff-only merge the target

2. HEAD: an integration branch
   target: a *different* branch (e.g. maint or feature-x, but not
     origin/master or jdoe/master, if HEAD is master)
   my preferred integration mode: no-ff merge the target into HEAD.

3. HEAD: a topic branch (e.g. feature-x)
   target: a collaborating topic branch (jdoe/feature-x)
   my preferred integration mode: ff-only merge the target

4. HEAD: a topic branch (e.g. feature-x)
   target: a related topic branch (e.g. jdoe/feature-y) or integration
     branch updates used by my feature-x
   my preferred integration mode: rebase feature-x onto the target

Cases 1 and 2 can usually be distinguished by comparing the
checked-out branch with the branch portion of the remote-tracking
reference), but for folks developing in master, jdoe/master may be a
feature branch (case 2) not a mirror of the maintenance branch (case
1).

Cases 1 and 3 are the same idea, with any feature branch running long
enough to get collaborators being indistinguishable from an
integration branch except that the latter will eventually be merged
(or dropped) and deleted.

In the event of non-trivial merge conflicts in case 2, I sometimes
rebase the target onto HEAD and no-ff merge the resulting target'.  On
the other hand, sometimes rebasing is not an option.  For example, if
I want to merge the target into both master and maint, but master
contains a conflicting commit A:

  -o---o---A---o---B  master
   |\
   | o---o---C  maint
    \
     o---D  target

Rebasing would drag A into maint at F:

  -o---o---A---o---B---E  master
    \       \         /
     \       o---D'---  target'
      \           \
       o---o---C---F  maint

And I don't want both the pre- and post-rebase versions in my history
at G:

  -o---o---A---o---B---E---G  master
   |\       \         /   /
   | \       o---D'---   /  target'
   |  \                 /
   |   o---o---C---F----  maint
    \             /
     o---D--------  target

So I'd just deal with a complicated merge at E:

  -o---o---A---o---B---E---G  master
   |\                 /   /
   | o---D------------   /  target
    \           \       /
     o---o---C---F------  maint

Case 4 has similar caveats, since you don't want to rebase feature-x
on top of jdoe/feature-y if there are already other branches based on
the current feature-x that can't (or won't) be rebased.

> Either way, since I think these two are different modes:
> 
>   1) git pull
>   2) git pull origin topic
> 
> Maybe it would actually make sense to have a configuration specific to
> 2): pull.topicmode.

I think it makes more sense to just use merge/rebase explicitly, and
not try and bundle all of this complication into something that *also*
fetches.  Unfortunately, there's currently no finger-breaker to help
compulsive pull users break the habit or keep novices from starting.
Adding more elaborate handling to pull just pushes back the point
where you reach something that is pretty much impossible to resolve
automatically (like my case 2 caveat).  When that happens, it would be
nice to have a workflow independent way to calm the pull-happy user
(e.g. pull.mode=none, or pull.prompt=true) while they learn to
explicitly use fetch/{merge|rebase} or more careful pulls.

Cheers,
Trevor

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-03  0:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-28  6:29 A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment Marat Radchenko
2014-04-28 18:41 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 14:21   ` Pull is Evil (was: Re: A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment) Marc Branchaud
2014-04-30 14:55     ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 19:45       ` Pull is Evil Marc Branchaud
2014-04-30 20:01         ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-04-30 20:01         ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 21:48           ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-02  7:40           ` Andreas Krey
2014-05-02  8:46             ` David Kastrup
2014-05-03  6:17               ` Andreas Krey
2014-05-03  6:55                 ` David Kastrup
2014-04-30 20:14         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 22:06           ` Marc Branchaud
2014-04-30 22:25             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01  9:46               ` brian m. carlson
2014-05-01 10:48                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 15:16                   ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-01 19:16                     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 19:48                       ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 20:07                         ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 23:25                           ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02  0:02                             ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02  0:37                               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02  1:10                                 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02  1:14                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 14:54                                     ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 18:55                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 19:07                                         ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 19:10                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-05-02 19:13                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 19:46                                             ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 20:34                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 21:13                                                 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 21:18                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 22:01                                                     ` pull.prompt or other way to slow/disable 'git pull' (was: Pull is Evil) W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 22:20                                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-03  0:05                                                         ` W. Trevor King [this message]
2014-05-03  9:50                                                           ` pull.prompt or other way to slow/disable 'git pull' Felipe Contreras
2014-05-04 18:51                                                             ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-04 20:54                                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 23:20                         ` Re: Pull is Evil Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 15:20                 ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 17:56                   ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 18:04                     ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 18:30                       ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 20:21                         ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 23:28                           ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02  7:16                           ` Andreas Krey
2014-05-02  8:14                             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 19:29                           ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-02 19:53                             ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-01 23:45                       ` brian m. carlson
2014-05-01 23:39                         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 19:22                   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 19:43                     ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 19:27                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 21:06         ` Philip Oakley
2014-05-01 21:16           ` Philip Oakley
2014-05-01 23:34           ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 23:59             ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02  0:31               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 16:47     ` Pull is Evil (was: Re: A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment) Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 17:09       ` Pull is Evil Matthieu Moy
2014-04-30 18:31         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 19:10           ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 19:32             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 19:53               ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 20:11                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 16:12 ` A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment Stepan Kasal
2014-04-30 17:15 ` Geert Bosch
2014-05-04  8:58   ` John Szakmeister
2014-05-02 20:56 ` Max Kirillov

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