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From: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, "Martin Ågren" <martin.agren@gmail.com>,
	"Bagas Sanjaya" <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
	"Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: add an option to have Asciidoctor build man pages directly
Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 23:38:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YJ24WIpnwE4LBOMt@camp.crustytoothpaste.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <609b5c85b7c61_678ff20848@natae.notmuch>

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On 2021-05-12 at 04:41:41, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> brian m. carlson wrote:
> > From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
> > 
> > Asciidoctor contains a converter to generate man pages.  In some
> > environments, where building only the manual pages and not the other
> > documentation is desired, installing a toolchain for building
> > DocBook-based manual pages may be burdensome, and using Asciidoctor
> > directly may be easier, so let's add an option to build manual pages
> > using Asciidoctor without the DocBook toolchain.
> > 
> > We generally require Asciidoctor 1.5, but versions before 1.5.3 didn't
> > contain proper handling of the apostrophe, which is controlled normally
> > by the GNU_ROFF option.  This option for the DocBook toolchain, as well
> > as newer versions of Asciidoctor, makes groff output an ASCII apostrophe
> > instead of a Unicode apostrophe in text, so as to make copy and pasting
> > commands easier.  These newer versions of Asciidoctor detect groff and
> > do the right thing in all cases, so the GNU_ROFF option is obsolete in
> > this case.
> > 
> > We also need to update the code that tells Asciidoctor how to format our
> > linkgit macros so that it can output proper code for man pages.  Be
> > careful to reset the font to the previous after the change.  In order to
> > do so, we must reset to the previous after each font change so the
> > previous state at the end is the state before our inserted text, since
> > troff only remembers one previous font.
> > 
> > Because Asciidoctor versions before 2.0 had a few problems with man page
> > output, let's default this to off for now,
> 
> > since some common distros are > still on 1.5.
> 
> Are "some common distros" namely Debian stable *exclusively*?
> 
> If so, I would consider flipping the default the other way around,
> espececially since it's only te default shipped by the Debian stable
> packages (easily fixed by `gem install asciidoctor`).

CentOS 7 and Ubuntu 18.04 also ship 1.5.  CentOS 8 does not appear to
ship Asciidoctor at all.

> > If users are using a more modern toolchain or don't care
> > about the rendering issues, they can enable the option.
> 
> The other way around: if users are using an ancient distribution they
> can disable the option.

Debian stable is not ancient.  It is less than two years old, which for
a Linux distro or any operating system distribution, is not at all
considered even reasonably old.

I am not going to propose or give my approval to a change that causes
problems building Git with the distro packages on Debian stable or the
latest Ubuntu LTS, in any way, shape, or form.  People should be able to
use the distro packages if that's most convenient.

> > Suggested-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
> > Signed-off-by: brian m. carlson <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
> 
> Commit-message-by: brian m. carlson <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
> 
> I certainly would not want to pretend to have written the text above.

I'll reroll with the author reset.

> > diff --git a/Documentation/asciidoctor-extensions.rb b/Documentation/asciidoctor-extensions.rb
> > index d906a00803..40fa87b121 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/asciidoctor-extensions.rb
> > +++ b/Documentation/asciidoctor-extensions.rb
> > @@ -15,6 +15,8 @@ module Git
> >            "#{target}(#{attrs[1]})</ulink>"
> >          elsif parent.document.basebackend? 'html'
> >            %(<a href="#{prefix}#{target}.html">#{target}(#{attrs[1]})</a>)
> > +        elsif parent.document.basebackend? 'manpage'
> > +          %(\\fB#{target}\\fP\\fR(#{attrs[1]})\\fP)
> 
> I still prefer my original version, especially since:
> 
>  1. I suspect most git developers are familiar with printf directives:
>     %s.
>  2. Where is that \\fP coming from? I don't see that with xmlto, nor the
>     publicly genrated man pages[1].

That's coming from my knowledge of troff, having used it extensively
over the years, and my general hesitance to affect global state.

>  3. Doesn't work on my machine without my original \e; I see
>     "\fBgittutorial\fR(7)".

Works just fine on my system using Asciidoctor 2.0.12.  The \e would
insert an additional escape character and shouldn't be needed unless
we're in copy mode (which we should not be here).
-- 
brian m. carlson (he/him or they/them)
Houston, Texas, US

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-13 23:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-11 22:27 [PATCH] doc: use asciidoctor to " Felipe Contreras
2021-05-11 23:26 ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-12  0:58   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  2:11     ` [PATCH 1/2] doc: add an option to have Asciidoctor " brian m. carlson
2021-05-12  2:11       ` [PATCH 2/2] doc: remove GNU_ROFF option brian m. carlson
2021-05-12  2:18         ` Eric Sunshine
2021-05-12  2:28           ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-12  4:45         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14  0:11           ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-15 13:30             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-13 13:11         ` Martin Ågren
2021-05-12  2:48       ` [PATCH 1/2] doc: add an option to have Asciidoctor build man pages directly Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-12  5:03         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-13 23:24         ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-14 12:58           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-15 13:25           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  4:41       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-13 23:38         ` brian m. carlson [this message]
2021-05-14 19:02           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  4:43       ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-13 23:54         ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-12  6:22       ` Jeff King
2021-05-12  6:30         ` Jeff King
2021-05-12  6:59           ` Jeff King
2021-05-12 19:29             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-13 17:30             ` Martin Ågren
2021-05-13 22:37               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12 19:53           ` Eric Sunshine
2021-05-12 22:37             ` Jeff King
2021-05-14 15:34           ` Martin Ågren
2021-05-14  0:31     ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Asciidoctor native manpage builds brian m. carlson
2021-05-14  0:31       ` [PATCH v2 1/2] doc: add an option to have Asciidoctor build man pages directly brian m. carlson
2021-05-14  3:58         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-14  5:27           ` Jeff King
2021-05-14 20:00             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14 19:55           ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-14 20:52             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14 19:57           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14 19:53         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14 20:17           ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-14 23:31             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14  0:31       ` [PATCH v2 2/2] doc: remove GNU_ROFF option brian m. carlson
2021-05-14 19:07       ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Asciidoctor native manpage builds Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14 20:00         ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-14 21:21           ` Felipe Contreras

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