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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: speck@linutronix.de
Subject: Re: [patch V5 09/14] MDS basics 9
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 20:15:36 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1903012008500.1638@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190301183914.y3kvjyneyncgwki7@treble>

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019, speck for Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 01, 2019 at 10:40:22AM -0600, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 01, 2019 at 05:03:39PM +0100, speck for Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2019, speck for Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > > > Andrea brought up a good question privately -- this patch mitigates
> > > > MSBDS for HT, but HT will still be susceptible to the other two MDS
> > > > issues.  So what's the point?  It seems this patch only protects people
> > > > who don't care about MDS in the first place.
> > > 
> > > Indeed for most CPU models it's pointless.
> > > 
> > > The ones which are only affected by MSBDS are Atom Silvermont/Airmont which
> > > are all single threaded and the XEON PHIs.
> > > 
> > > For XEON PHI it actually makes sense because XEON PHI does not have L1TF
> > > either.
> > > 
> > > But yes, for everything else it's just window dressing.
> > 
> > Makes sense.  I didn't realize that some CPUs were affected by MSBDS and
> > not other MDSes.
> > 
> > Can you add that justification to the documentation and/or patch
> > description?
> 
> Or even better, can we only do the idle clearing on XEON PHI?
> 
> Also it sounds like the mds vulnerabilities file shouldn't ever show
> "SMT vulnerable" for XEON PHI.

Yeah.

So I was looking at that table again and found the following stepping
related info:

06_8EH,06_9EH	<=B	Kaby/Coffe Lake		Yes Yes Yes Yes
06_9E		0xC	Coffee Lake		No  Yes Yes Yes
06_8E		0xB	Whiskey Lake(ULT)	No  Yes	Yes Yes

06_8E		0xC	Whiskey L (ULT refresh) No  No  No  No
06_9E		0xD	Whiskey Lake (Deskto)   No  No  No  No


06_55H		5	Cascade Lake		No  Yes Yes Yes

06_55H		6	Cascade Lake		No  No  No  No

Will these 'fixed' steppings have MDS_NO set?

Thanks,

	tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-01 19:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-27 15:09 [patch V5 00/14] MDS basics 0 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 01/14] MDS basics 1 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-28 13:08   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 02/14] MDS basics 2 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-28 13:55   ` [MODERATED] " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-02-28 14:09     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-28 20:23       ` [MODERATED] " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-01 16:04         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 03/14] MDS basics 3 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 16:34   ` [MODERATED] " Greg KH
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 04/14] MDS basics 4 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 05/14] MDS basics 5 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 06/14] MDS basics 6 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 07/14] MDS basics 7 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 17:07   ` [MODERATED] " Greg KH
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 08/14] MDS basics 8 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-28  8:11   ` [MODERATED] " Greg KH
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 09/14] MDS basics 9 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-01 14:04   ` [MODERATED] " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-01 16:03     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-01 16:40       ` [MODERATED] " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-01 18:39         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-01 19:15           ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2019-03-01 22:38             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-03-01 22:58               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-02 19:22                 ` [MODERATED] Re: [SPAM] " Dave Hansen
2019-03-02 20:39                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 10/14] MDS basics 10 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 11/14] MDS basics 11 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 12/14] MDS basics 12 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-01 22:00   ` [MODERATED] " mark gross
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 13/14] MDS basics 13 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-01 22:04   ` [MODERATED] " mark gross
2019-02-27 15:09 ` [patch V5 14/14] MDS basics 14 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 17:49   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 16:26 ` [MODERATED] Re: [patch V5 00/14] MDS basics 0 Linus Torvalds
2019-02-27 17:51   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 18:13     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 19:50       ` [MODERATED] " Linus Torvalds
2019-02-27 20:05         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-27 21:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-28  1:04   ` [MODERATED] " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-02-27 23:06 ` mark gross
2019-02-28  6:58   ` Thomas Gleixner

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