From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> Cc: Kristen Carlson Accardi <kristen@linux.intel.com>, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de, hpa@zytor.com, arjan@linux.intel.com, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 03/11] x86/boot: Allow a "silent" kaslr random byte fetch Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 03:48:01 -0800 [thread overview] Message-ID: <202002060345.FAF7517CA4@keescook> (raw) In-Reply-To: <B173D69E-DC6C-4658-B5CB-391D3C6A6597@amacapital.net> On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 05:08:55PM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > > > > On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Kristen Carlson Accardi <kristen@linux.intel.com> wrote: > > > > From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> > > > > Under earlyprintk, each RNG call produces a debug report line. When > > shuffling hundreds of functions, this is not useful information (each > > line is identical and tells us nothing new). Instead, allow for a NULL > > "purpose" to suppress the debug reporting. > > Have you counted how many RDRAND calls this causes? RDRAND is > exceedingly slow on all CPUs I’ve looked at. The whole “RDRAND > has great bandwidth” marketing BS actually means that it has decent > bandwidth if all CPUs hammer it at the same time. The latency is abysmal. > I have asked Intel to improve this, but the latency of that request will > be quadrillions of cycles :) In an earlier version of this series, it was called once per function section (so, about 50,000 times). The (lack of) speed was quite measurable. > I would suggest adding a little ChaCha20 DRBG or similar to the KASLR > environment instead. What crypto primitives are available there? Agreed. The simple PRNG in the next patch was most just a POC initially, but Kristen kept it due to its debugging properties (specifying an external seed). Pulling in ChaCha20 seems like a good approach. -- Kees Cook
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-02-06 11:48 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2020-02-05 22:39 [RFC PATCH 00/11] Finer grained kernel address space randomization Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 01/11] modpost: Support >64K sections Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 12:38 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 02/11] x86: tools/relocs: Support >64K section headers Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 12:39 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 03/11] x86/boot: Allow a "silent" kaslr random byte fetch Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 1:08 ` Andy Lutomirski 2020-02-06 11:48 ` Kees Cook [this message] 2020-02-06 16:58 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 04/11] x86/boot/KASLR: Introduce PRNG for faster shuffling Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 1:11 ` Andy Lutomirski 2020-02-06 15:10 ` Jason A. Donenfeld 2020-02-07 7:23 ` Jean-Philippe Aumasson 2020-02-07 9:05 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-07 16:52 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 05/11] x86: Makefile: Add build and config option for CONFIG_FG_KASLR Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 10:30 ` Peter Zijlstra 2020-02-06 11:52 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-25 17:55 ` Arvind Sankar 2020-02-26 19:13 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-03-24 21:24 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-03-25 15:34 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 06/11] x86: make sure _etext includes function sections Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 12:26 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-06 13:15 ` Jann Horn 2020-02-06 16:27 ` David Laight 2020-02-06 14:39 ` Arvind Sankar 2020-02-06 15:29 ` Arvind Sankar 2020-02-06 16:11 ` Andy Lutomirski 2020-02-06 14:57 ` Arvind Sankar 2020-02-06 15:45 ` Arvind Sankar 2020-02-06 19:41 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 20:02 ` Andy Lutomirski 2020-02-07 9:24 ` Peter Zijlstra 2020-02-10 1:43 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-10 10:51 ` Peter Zijlstra 2020-02-10 15:54 ` Arjan van de Ven 2020-02-10 16:36 ` Arvind Sankar 2020-02-21 19:50 ` Josh Poimboeuf 2020-02-21 23:05 ` Arvind Sankar 2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 07/11] x86/tools: Adding relative relocs for randomized functions Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 12:37 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 08/11] x86: Add support for finer grained KASLR Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 1:17 ` Andy Lutomirski 2020-02-06 11:56 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-06 17:36 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 10:38 ` Peter Zijlstra 2020-02-06 12:06 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-06 14:52 ` Peter Zijlstra 2020-02-06 17:25 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 17:35 ` Peter Zijlstra 2020-02-06 17:43 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-25 17:49 ` Arvind Sankar 2020-02-26 19:26 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 09/11] kallsyms: hide layout and expose seed Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 12:32 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-06 17:51 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 19:27 ` Jann Horn 2020-03-02 19:01 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-03-02 19:08 ` Kees Cook 2020-03-02 19:19 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-27 2:42 ` Baoquan He 2020-02-27 16:02 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-28 3:36 ` Baoquan He 2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 10/11] module: Reorder functions Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 12:41 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-11 12:39 ` Jessica Yu 2020-02-05 22:39 ` [RFC PATCH 11/11] x86/boot: Move "boot heap" out of .bss Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 0:11 ` Arvind Sankar 2020-02-06 0:33 ` Kristen Carlson Accardi 2020-02-06 11:13 ` Kees Cook 2020-02-06 14:25 ` Arvind Sankar 2020-02-06 21:32 ` Kees Cook
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