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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Elena Reshetova <elena.reshetova@intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	"Perla, Enrico" <enrico.perla@intel.com>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/5] arm64: entry: Enable random_kstack_offset support
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:15:21 +0000
Message-ID: <20200326111521.GA72909@C02TD0UTHF1T.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202003251319.AECA788D63@keescook>

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 01:22:07PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 01:21:27PM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 01:32:31PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> > > Allow for a randomized stack offset on a per-syscall basis, with roughly
> > > 5 bits of entropy.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
> > 
> > Just to check, do you have an idea of the impact on arm64? Patch 3 had
> > figures for x86 where it reads the TSC, and it's unclear to me how
> > get_random_int() compares to that.
> 
> I didn't do a measurement on arm64 since I don't have a good bare-metal
> test environment. I know Andy Lutomirki has plans for making
> get_random_get() as fast as possible, so that's why I used it here.

Ok. I suspect I also won't get the chance to test that in the next few
days, but if I do I'll try to share the results.

My concern here was that, get_random_int() has to grab a spinlock and
mess with IRQ masking, so has the potential to block for much longer,
but that might not be an issue in practice, and I don't think that
should block these patches.

> I couldn't figure out if there was a comparable instruction like rdtsc
> in aarch64 (it seems there's a cycle counter, but I found nothing in
> the kernel that seemed to actually use it)?

AArch64 doesn't have a direct equivalent. The generic counter
(CNTxCT_EL0) is the closest thing, but its nominal frequency is
typically much lower than the nominal CPU clock frequency (unlike TSC
where they're the same). The cycle counter (PMCCNTR_EL0) is part of the
PMU, and can't be relied on in the same way (e.g. as perf reprograms it
to generate overflow events, and it can stop for things like WFI/WFE).

Thanks,
Mark.

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Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-24 20:32 [PATCH v2 0/5] Optionally randomize kernel stack offset each syscall Kees Cook
2020-03-24 20:32 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] jump_label: Provide CONFIG-driven build state defaults Kees Cook
2020-03-24 22:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-24 20:32 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] init_on_alloc: Unpessimize default-on builds Kees Cook
2020-03-26 15:48   ` Alexander Potapenko
2020-03-24 20:32 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] stack: Optionally randomize kernel stack offset each syscall Kees Cook
2020-03-30 11:25   ` Mark Rutland
2020-03-30 18:18     ` Kees Cook
2020-03-30 18:27     ` Kees Cook
2020-03-24 20:32 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] x86/entry: Enable random_kstack_offset support Kees Cook
2020-03-28 22:26   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-24 20:32 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] arm64: entry: " Kees Cook
2020-03-25 13:21   ` Mark Rutland
2020-03-25 20:22     ` Kees Cook
2020-03-26 11:15       ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2020-03-26 16:31         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-30 11:26           ` Mark Rutland
2020-03-24 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Optionally randomize kernel stack offset each syscall Jann Horn
2020-03-24 23:07   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-25 12:15     ` Reshetova, Elena
2020-03-25 20:27       ` Kees Cook
2020-03-25 23:20         ` Jann Horn
2020-03-26 17:18           ` Kees Cook

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