* My effort to learn Linux kernel development @ 2021-07-21 14:01 Amit Kumar 2021-07-22 3:14 ` Amit Kumar 2021-07-22 14:34 ` Jules Irenge 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Amit Kumar @ 2021-07-21 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kernelnewbies Hi All, I am just here to inform that I am trying to learn Linux kernel development. If someone wants to follow me, so that he may also learn with me. https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com/2021/07/my-aspiration-go-live.html https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com/2021/07/the-minimal-c-program.html https://twitter.com/freeark1 I'll send update on this mail thread. Please, stay tuned. Regards, Amit Kumar _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-21 14:01 My effort to learn Linux kernel development Amit Kumar @ 2021-07-22 3:14 ` Amit Kumar 2021-07-22 14:34 ` Jules Irenge 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Amit Kumar @ 2021-07-22 3:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kernel Newbies Hi All, https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com/2021/07/the-minimal-c-program-continued.html On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 7:31 PM Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am just here to inform that I am trying to learn Linux kernel > development. If someone wants to follow me, so that he may also learn > with me. > > https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com/2021/07/my-aspiration-go-live.html > https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com/2021/07/the-minimal-c-program.html > https://twitter.com/freeark1 > > I'll send update on this mail thread. > > Please, stay tuned. > > Regards, > Amit Kumar > _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-21 14:01 My effort to learn Linux kernel development Amit Kumar 2021-07-22 3:14 ` Amit Kumar @ 2021-07-22 14:34 ` Jules Irenge 2021-07-22 14:56 ` Robert P. J. Day 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Jules Irenge @ 2021-07-22 14:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Amit Kumar; +Cc: kernelnewbies [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 976 bytes --] I normally learn the kernel on weekends. Reading R. Love and practicing by coding what you learn is the best way. Also, trying to submit simple patches on some free time is a good way , meeting Greg Kroah and Shuan, they are fantastic people to learn from. Kind regards, Jules *..* On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 at 15:02, Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > I am just here to inform that I am trying to learn Linux kernel > development. If someone wants to follow me, so that he may also learn > with me. > > https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com/2021/07/my-aspiration-go-live.html > https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com/2021/07/the-minimal-c-program.html > https://twitter.com/freeark1 > > I'll send update on this mail thread. > > Please, stay tuned. > > Regards, > Amit Kumar > > > _______________________________________________ > Kernelnewbies mailing list > Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org > https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2679 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 170 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-22 14:34 ` Jules Irenge @ 2021-07-22 14:56 ` Robert P. J. Day 2021-07-22 23:24 ` Amit Kumar 2021-07-24 19:26 ` Constantine Shulyupin 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Robert P. J. Day @ 2021-07-22 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jules Irenge; +Cc: Amit Kumar, kernelnewbies On Thu, 22 Jul 2021, Jules Irenge wrote: > I normally learn the kernel on weekends. Reading R. Love and > practicing by coding what you learn is the best way. Also, trying to > submit simple patches on some free time is a good way , meeting Greg > Kroah and Shuan, they are fantastic people to learn from. as the tech editor of the r. love kernel book, i can safely say that there are no really current kernel books out there anymore -- the best docs are the in-kernel ones. also, if you want to get started mucking with the kernel and submitting patches, consider improving the documentation -- there is a lot of documentation that is at least a little out of date and could use all the help it can get, and that's an easy and safe way to get started getting your name into the kernel git log. rday _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-22 14:56 ` Robert P. J. Day @ 2021-07-22 23:24 ` Amit Kumar 2021-07-23 6:43 ` Greg KH ` (2 more replies) 2021-07-24 19:26 ` Constantine Shulyupin 1 sibling, 3 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Amit Kumar @ 2021-07-22 23:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert P. J. Day; +Cc: Jules Irenge, Kernel Newbies On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 8:26 PM Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Jul 2021, Jules Irenge wrote: > > > I normally learn the kernel on weekends. Reading R. Love and > > practicing by coding what you learn is the best way. Also, trying to > > submit simple patches on some free time is a good way , meeting Greg > > Kroah and Shuan, they are fantastic people to learn from. Is there any online method to interact with Mr. Greg Kroah Hartman? > > as the tech editor of the r. love kernel book, i can safely say that > there are no really current kernel books out there anymore -- the best > docs are the in-kernel ones. I started reading documents from the Documentation folder. > > also, if you want to get started mucking with the kernel and > submitting patches, consider improving the documentation -- there is a > lot of documentation that is at least a little out of date and could > use all the help it can get, and that's an easy and safe way to get > started getting your name into the kernel git log. > I know well that there is not any book that provides current knowledge about the Linux kernel. So, I have decided to make my blog (https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com) a gateway to the Linux kernel development. Why were the last kernel book by Mr. Greg Kroah Hartman and et. al. canceled? > rday _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-22 23:24 ` Amit Kumar @ 2021-07-23 6:43 ` Greg KH 2021-07-23 9:32 ` Amit Kumar 2021-07-23 10:41 ` Robert P. J. Day 2021-07-25 1:00 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 2 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Greg KH @ 2021-07-23 6:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Amit Kumar; +Cc: Jules Irenge, Robert P. J. Day, Kernel Newbies On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 04:54:41AM +0530, Amit Kumar wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 8:26 PM Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 22 Jul 2021, Jules Irenge wrote: > > > > > I normally learn the kernel on weekends. Reading R. Love and > > > practicing by coding what you learn is the best way. Also, trying to > > > submit simple patches on some free time is a good way , meeting Greg > > > Kroah and Shuan, they are fantastic people to learn from. > Is there any online method to interact with Mr. Greg Kroah Hartman? Send patches for review. > > also, if you want to get started mucking with the kernel and > > submitting patches, consider improving the documentation -- there is a > > lot of documentation that is at least a little out of date and could > > use all the help it can get, and that's an easy and safe way to get > > started getting your name into the kernel git log. > > > I know well that there is not any book that provides current knowledge > about the Linux kernel. > So, I have decided to make my blog (https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com) > a gateway to the Linux kernel development. > > Why were the last kernel book by Mr. Greg Kroah Hartman and et. al. canceled? Long story, not involving the authors at all. A new version is not going to happen any year soon so don't even worry about it. thanks, greg k-h _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-23 6:43 ` Greg KH @ 2021-07-23 9:32 ` Amit Kumar 2021-07-23 9:45 ` Greg KH 2021-07-23 11:54 ` Robert P. J. Day 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Amit Kumar @ 2021-07-23 9:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Greg KH; +Cc: Jules Irenge, Robert P. J. Day, Kernel Newbies On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 12:13 PM Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 04:54:41AM +0530, Amit Kumar wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 8:26 PM Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 22 Jul 2021, Jules Irenge wrote: > > > > > > > I normally learn the kernel on weekends. Reading R. Love and > > > > practicing by coding what you learn is the best way. Also, trying to > > > > submit simple patches on some free time is a good way , meeting Greg > > > > Kroah and Shuan, they are fantastic people to learn from. > > Is there any online method to interact with Mr. Greg Kroah Hartman? > > Send patches for review. I sent my solo patch back in 2017. But this time I am expecting to send a never-ending stream of patches. > > > > also, if you want to get started mucking with the kernel and > > > submitting patches, consider improving the documentation -- there is a > > > lot of documentation that is at least a little out of date and could > > > use all the help it can get, and that's an easy and safe way to get > > > started getting your name into the kernel git log. > > > > > I know well that there is not any book that provides current knowledge > > about the Linux kernel. > > So, I have decided to make my blog (https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com) > > a gateway to the Linux kernel development. > > > > Why were the last kernel book by Mr. Greg Kroah Hartman and et. al. canceled? > > Long story, not involving the authors at all. A new version is not > going to happen any year soon so don't even worry about it. > Thanks for your words. I kindly request your mentorship. So that it will be easy for me to make my blog (https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com) as a gateway to the Linux kernel development. Regards, Amit Kumar > thanks, > > greg k-h _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-23 9:32 ` Amit Kumar @ 2021-07-23 9:45 ` Greg KH 2021-07-23 11:54 ` Robert P. J. Day 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Greg KH @ 2021-07-23 9:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Amit Kumar; +Cc: Jules Irenge, Robert P. J. Day, Kernel Newbies On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 03:02:53PM +0530, Amit Kumar wrote: > > > I know well that there is not any book that provides current knowledge > > > about the Linux kernel. > > > So, I have decided to make my blog (https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com) > > > a gateway to the Linux kernel development. > > > > > > Why were the last kernel book by Mr. Greg Kroah Hartman and et. al. canceled? > > > > Long story, not involving the authors at all. A new version is not > > going to happen any year soon so don't even worry about it. > > > Thanks for your words. I kindly request your mentorship. So that it > will be easy for me to make my blog > (https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com) as > a gateway to the Linux kernel development. That is not how any of this works, sorry. I am already mentoring many people through the LF mentorship program, feel free to sign up for the next round of interns through that project if you are interested. good luck! greg k-h _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-23 9:32 ` Amit Kumar 2021-07-23 9:45 ` Greg KH @ 2021-07-23 11:54 ` Robert P. J. Day 2021-07-23 14:17 ` Amit Kumar 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Robert P. J. Day @ 2021-07-23 11:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Amit Kumar; +Cc: Jules Irenge, Kernel Newbies On Fri, 23 Jul 2021, Amit Kumar wrote: ... lots of stuff snipped ... > Thanks for your words. I kindly request your mentorship. So that it > will be easy for me to make my blog > (https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com) as a gateway to the Linux kernel > development. i dropped gregkh from this response as i don't think he's interested in any followup, so here's my thoughts. i checked out a couple articles at your blog and i'm not trying to be harsh, but there's very little useful content there. aside from the numerous spelling mistakes, the articles are extremely superficial and, in many cases, are imprecise to the point where it's not clear what you're even trying to say. here's an example: "Kernel is like the kernel of a nut. It is a bit difficult for an application program to interact with the kernel directly i.e. it will be a time consuming task to write an application program with the help of the kernel only." i have no idea what that means, or what point you're trying to get across, and most of the articles there are like that. if you want to keep writing, that's great, do whatever you enjoy, but you're being wildly optimistic if you want to describe your blog as a "gateway to linux kernel development." if i were you, i would do less writing, and way more reading. again, i'm not trying to discourage you, but you really need to set your expectations appropriately. rday _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-23 11:54 ` Robert P. J. Day @ 2021-07-23 14:17 ` Amit Kumar 2021-07-23 14:37 ` Raghuram Jallipalli 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Amit Kumar @ 2021-07-23 14:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert P. J. Day; +Cc: Jules Irenge, Kernel Newbies On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 5:24 PM Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Jul 2021, Amit Kumar wrote: > > ... lots of stuff snipped ... > > > Thanks for your words. I kindly request your mentorship. So that it > > will be easy for me to make my blog > > (https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com) as a gateway to the Linux kernel > > development. > > i dropped gregkh from this response as i don't think he's interested > in any followup, so here's my thoughts. > > i checked out a couple articles at your blog and i'm not trying to > be harsh, but there's very little useful content there. aside from the > numerous spelling mistakes, the articles are extremely superficial > and, in many cases, are imprecise to the point where it's not clear > what you're even trying to say. > > here's an example: > > "Kernel is like the kernel of a nut. It is a bit difficult for an > application program to interact with the kernel directly i.e. it will > be a time consuming task to write an application program with the help > of the kernel only." > > i have no idea what that means, or what point you're trying to get > across, and most of the articles there are like that. if you want to > keep writing, that's great, do whatever you enjoy, but you're being > wildly optimistic if you want to describe your blog as a "gateway to > linux kernel development." > > if i were you, i would do less writing, and way more reading. again, > i'm not trying to discourage you, but you really need to set your > expectations appropriately. > Thanks for your time and feedback. You are right. Except for the last two articles, all other articles were written with the intention to introduce a layman to digital devices. I have just resumed blogging. I will surely improve my articles according to your feedback. I am enthusiastic about bringing more and more developers to the Linux community. I wish your support in the future also. Regards, Amit Kumar > rday _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-23 14:17 ` Amit Kumar @ 2021-07-23 14:37 ` Raghuram Jallipalli 2021-07-23 16:15 ` Connor Kuehl 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Raghuram Jallipalli @ 2021-07-23 14:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Amit Kumar; +Cc: Jules Irenge, Robert P. J. Day, Kernel Newbies On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 10:18 AM Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 5:24 PM Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 23 Jul 2021, Amit Kumar wrote: > > > > ... lots of stuff snipped ... > > > > > Thanks for your words. I kindly request your mentorship. So that it > > > will be easy for me to make my blog > > > (https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com) as a gateway to the Linux kernel > > > development. > > > > i dropped gregkh from this response as i don't think he's interested > > in any followup, so here's my thoughts. > > > > i checked out a couple articles at your blog and i'm not trying to > > be harsh, but there's very little useful content there. aside from the > > numerous spelling mistakes, the articles are extremely superficial > > and, in many cases, are imprecise to the point where it's not clear > > what you're even trying to say. > > > > here's an example: > > > > "Kernel is like the kernel of a nut. It is a bit difficult for an > > application program to interact with the kernel directly i.e. it will > > be a time consuming task to write an application program with the help > > of the kernel only." > > > > i have no idea what that means, or what point you're trying to get > > across, and most of the articles there are like that. if you want to > > keep writing, that's great, do whatever you enjoy, but you're being > > wildly optimistic if you want to describe your blog as a "gateway to > > linux kernel development." > > > > if i were you, i would do less writing, and way more reading. again, > > i'm not trying to discourage you, but you really need to set your > > expectations appropriately. > > > Thanks for your time and feedback. You are right. > Except for the last two articles, all other articles were written with > the intention to introduce a layman to digital devices. > I have just resumed blogging. I will surely improve my articles > according to your feedback. > I am enthusiastic about bringing more and more developers to the Linux > community. > I wish your support in the future also. > Isn't the LDD 3E by Rubini not a good book ? Has it become outdated with respect to the current kernel version ?? > Regards, > Amit Kumar > > rday > > _______________________________________________ > Kernelnewbies mailing list > Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org > https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-23 14:37 ` Raghuram Jallipalli @ 2021-07-23 16:15 ` Connor Kuehl 2021-07-23 16:23 ` sri vathsa 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Connor Kuehl @ 2021-07-23 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Raghuram Jallipalli, Amit Kumar Cc: Jules Irenge, Robert P. J. Day, Kernel Newbies On 7/23/21 9:37 AM, Raghuram Jallipalli wrote: > Isn't the LDD 3E by Rubini not a good book ? Has it become outdated > with respect to the current kernel version ?? In my opinion, it's an excellent book. I'd imagine it's pretty rare for a book covering the internals of a software project to *not* become quickly outdated. However, that's not necessarily a bad thing, so don't write it off just yet. Depending on your learning style, you might find it beneficial to follow along anyway and try to reconcile the differences between the book and the state of today's Linux source code. Connor _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-23 16:15 ` Connor Kuehl @ 2021-07-23 16:23 ` sri vathsa 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: sri vathsa @ 2021-07-23 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Connor Kuehl Cc: Raghuram Jallipalli, Jules Irenge, Robert P. J. Day, Kernel Newbies, Amit Kumar [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 391 bytes --] On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 9:47 PM Connor Kuehl <cipkuehl@gmail.com> wrote: What about Linux Kernel Development by Robert Love, I have been that reading book and comparing code in book with current kernel version > _______________________________________________ > Kernelnewbies mailing list > Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org > https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1014 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 170 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-22 23:24 ` Amit Kumar 2021-07-23 6:43 ` Greg KH @ 2021-07-23 10:41 ` Robert P. J. Day 2021-07-23 11:23 ` Amit Kumar 2021-07-25 1:00 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 2 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Robert P. J. Day @ 2021-07-23 10:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Amit Kumar; +Cc: Jules Irenge, Kernel Newbies On Fri, 23 Jul 2021, Amit Kumar wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 8:26 PM Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 22 Jul 2021, Jules Irenge wrote: > > > > > I normally learn the kernel on weekends. Reading R. Love and > > > practicing by coding what you learn is the best way. Also, trying to > > > submit simple patches on some free time is a good way , meeting Greg > > > Kroah and Shuan, they are fantastic people to learn from. > Is there any online method to interact with Mr. Greg Kroah Hartman? > > > > as the tech editor of the r. love kernel book, i can safely say that > > there are no really current kernel books out there anymore -- the best > > docs are the in-kernel ones. > I started reading documents from the Documentation folder. > > > > also, if you want to get started mucking with the kernel and > > submitting patches, consider improving the documentation -- there is a > > lot of documentation that is at least a little out of date and could > > use all the help it can get, and that's an easy and safe way to get > > started getting your name into the kernel git log. > > > I know well that there is not any book that provides current knowledge > about the Linux kernel. > So, I have decided to make my blog (https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com) > a gateway to the Linux kernel development. > > Why were the last kernel book by Mr. Greg Kroah Hartman and et. al. canceled? there's not much financial incentive to write kernel books anymore; the code base changes so relentlessly that any book is pretty much out of date by the time it hits the shelves, and few authors want to invest months of their life for that. and what's the point of having a small number of authors working on a book, when the entire linux community is co-operating to improve the inline docs, anyway? rday p.s. it also occurs that the kernel is so vast that there's no way you could do justice to it in a single book. there might (i emphasize *might*) be some value in writing a comprehensive book on some single kernel subsystem, but even that would be obviated by decent inline docs. _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-23 10:41 ` Robert P. J. Day @ 2021-07-23 11:23 ` Amit Kumar 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Amit Kumar @ 2021-07-23 11:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert P. J. Day; +Cc: Jules Irenge, Kernel Newbies On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 4:12 PM Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Jul 2021, Amit Kumar wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 8:26 PM Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 22 Jul 2021, Jules Irenge wrote: > > > > > > > I normally learn the kernel on weekends. Reading R. Love and > > > > practicing by coding what you learn is the best way. Also, trying to > > > > submit simple patches on some free time is a good way , meeting Greg > > > > Kroah and Shuan, they are fantastic people to learn from. > > Is there any online method to interact with Mr. Greg Kroah Hartman? > > > > > > as the tech editor of the r. love kernel book, i can safely say that > > > there are no really current kernel books out there anymore -- the best > > > docs are the in-kernel ones. > > I started reading documents from the Documentation folder. > > > > > > also, if you want to get started mucking with the kernel and > > > submitting patches, consider improving the documentation -- there is a > > > lot of documentation that is at least a little out of date and could > > > use all the help it can get, and that's an easy and safe way to get > > > started getting your name into the kernel git log. > > > > > I know well that there is not any book that provides current knowledge > > about the Linux kernel. > > So, I have decided to make my blog (https://freeark1blog.blogspot.com) > > a gateway to the Linux kernel development. > > > > Why were the last kernel book by Mr. Greg Kroah Hartman and et. al. canceled? > > there's not much financial incentive to write kernel books anymore; > the code base changes so relentlessly that any book is pretty much out > of date by the time it hits the shelves, and few authors want to > invest months of their life for that. and what's the point of having a > small number of authors working on a book, when the entire linux > community is co-operating to improve the inline docs, anyway? > > rday > > p.s. it also occurs that the kernel is so vast that there's no way > you could do justice to it in a single book. there might (i emphasize > *might*) be some value in writing a comprehensive book on some single > kernel subsystem, but even that would be obviated by decent inline > docs. OK. Time will tell how much I remain successful in helping out developers to learn kernel development. I highly respect your feeling about this situation. Regards, Amit Kumar _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-22 23:24 ` Amit Kumar 2021-07-23 6:43 ` Greg KH 2021-07-23 10:41 ` Robert P. J. Day @ 2021-07-25 1:00 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 2021-08-02 14:31 ` Cindy Sue Causey 2 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Aruna Hewapathirane @ 2021-07-25 1:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Amit Kumar; +Cc: Jules Irenge, Robert P. J. Day, Kernel Newbies [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 264 bytes --] <snip> > I know well that there is not any book that provides current knowledge > about the Linux kernel. > Hello Amit, If you watch this through to the very end you will not require any books :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9TatW9ino Good Luck - Aruna [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 752 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 170 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-25 1:00 ` Aruna Hewapathirane @ 2021-08-02 14:31 ` Cindy Sue Causey 2021-08-02 17:33 ` Gabriel Moreira 2021-08-10 13:10 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Cindy Sue Causey @ 2021-08-02 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kernel Newbies On 7/24/21, Aruna Hewapathirane <aruna.hewapathirane@gmail.com> wrote: > <snip> > >> I know well that there is not any book that provides current knowledge >> about the Linux kernel. >> > > Hello Amit, > > If you watch this through to the very end you will not require any books > :-) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9TatW9ino Chiming in to add that I don't normally click on random proffered URLs because I've fallen into so many (time wasting) traps over the years.. BUT I did click on this one since it's Youtube.. It's Linux Foundation, y'all, so it's very worth a peek. This is the description when you get there: "Tutorial: Building the Simplest Possible Linux System - Rob Landley, se-instruments.com This tutorial walks you through building and booting the simplest possible Linux system, first under QEMU and then on real hardware. We cover kernel configuration and building, native vs cross compiling, initramfs creation (and other root filesystem options), installing and booting, the init process and system bringup, running an app, adding an example server (sshd), and finally we'll add a native toolchain to compile "hello world" on the target. Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed)" Apparently... if you've ever helped generate 10 million+ views for a video of something about liquid nitrogen and a swimming pool, you've already met the author. Thanks for that share, Aruna. I'll be playing over there after Gibson's Night of 100 Guitars is done (again), lol! Cindy :) -- * runs with birdseed * _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-08-02 14:31 ` Cindy Sue Causey @ 2021-08-02 17:33 ` Gabriel Moreira 2021-08-10 13:10 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Gabriel Moreira @ 2021-08-02 17:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kernelnewbies [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1692 bytes --] I'm reading this book - Linux Kernel Development 3rd (Robert Love) On 02/08/2021 11:31, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > On 7/24/21, Aruna Hewapathirane <aruna.hewapathirane@gmail.com> wrote: >> <snip> >> >>> I know well that there is not any book that provides current knowledge >>> about the Linux kernel. >>> >> Hello Amit, >> >> If you watch this through to the very end you will not require any books >> :-) >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9TatW9ino > > Chiming in to add that I don't normally click on random proffered URLs > because I've fallen into so many (time wasting) traps over the years.. > > BUT I did click on this one since it's Youtube.. > > It's Linux Foundation, y'all, so it's very worth a peek. This is the > description when you get there: > > "Tutorial: Building the Simplest Possible Linux System - Rob Landley, > se-instruments.com > > This tutorial walks you through building and booting the simplest > possible Linux system, first under QEMU and then on real hardware. We > cover kernel configuration and building, native vs cross compiling, > initramfs creation (and other root filesystem options), installing and > booting, the init process and system bringup, running an app, adding > an example server (sshd), and finally we'll add a native toolchain to > compile "hello world" on the target. > > Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed)" > > Apparently... if you've ever helped generate 10 million+ views for a > video of something about liquid nitrogen and a swimming pool, you've > already met the author. > > Thanks for that share, Aruna. I'll be playing over there after > Gibson's Night of 100 Guitars is done (again), lol! > > Cindy :) [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2482 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 170 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-08-02 14:31 ` Cindy Sue Causey 2021-08-02 17:33 ` Gabriel Moreira @ 2021-08-10 13:10 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 2021-08-11 9:32 ` Amit Kumar 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Aruna Hewapathirane @ 2021-08-10 13:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Cindy Sue Causey; +Cc: Kernel Newbies [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1239 bytes --] Hello Sue and everybody else, Useful to know : https://linuxhint.com/linux-kernel-tutorial-beginners/ Very useful to know: https://github.com/0xAX/linux-insides/blob/master/Booting/linux-bootstrap-1.md I wish 'I' found this years ago when I first started https://github.com/0xAX/linux-insides/blob/master/SUMMARY.md Reference: https://0xax.gitbooks.io/linux-insides/content/ And if you really, really want the book: https://static.lwn.net/images/pdf/LDD3/ch01.pdf Even if you never click any of those links, you really really want to click the one that says 'very useful to know' This is the 'diff' ( pun intended ) between theory and 'lived experience' :-) And Amit just follow your heart my friend. If you want to document 'your' experiences go ahead. Peer review is important but should not dictate what 'you' include in 'your website' when it comes to what 'you' want to do as long as it is not an actual patch in the kernel then peer review becomes sadly but out of necessity "zero tolerance" for the greater good. ( I think.. ) And please read this Amit it will help you see things from a entirely different perspective an dmind-set: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate Peace to ye all - Aruna [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3202 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 170 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-08-10 13:10 ` Aruna Hewapathirane @ 2021-08-11 9:32 ` Amit Kumar 2021-08-11 9:41 ` sri vathsa 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Amit Kumar @ 2021-08-11 9:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aruna Hewapathirane; +Cc: Cindy Sue Causey, Kernel Newbies On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 6:41 PM Aruna Hewapathirane <aruna.hewapathirane@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello Sue and everybody else, > > Useful to know : > https://linuxhint.com/linux-kernel-tutorial-beginners/ > > Very useful to know: > https://github.com/0xAX/linux-insides/blob/master/Booting/linux-bootstrap-1.md > > I wish 'I' found this years ago when I first started > https://github.com/0xAX/linux-insides/blob/master/SUMMARY.md > > Reference: > https://0xax.gitbooks.io/linux-insides/content/ > > And if you really, really want the book: > https://static.lwn.net/images/pdf/LDD3/ch01.pdf > > Even if you never click any of those links, you really really want to click the one that says 'very useful to know' > This is the 'diff' ( pun intended ) between theory and 'lived experience' :-) > > And Amit just follow your heart my friend. If you want to document 'your' experiences go ahead. Peer review is > important but should not dictate what 'you' include in 'your website' when it comes to what 'you' want to do as long as > it is not an actual patch in the kernel then peer review becomes sadly but out of necessity "zero tolerance" for the greater > good. ( I think.. ) > > And please read this Amit it will help you see things from a entirely different perspective an dmind-set: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate > Thank you very much for helping me. I have got a resource which is about 5.4 LTS kernel. I think it will help me understand the latest Linux kernel. I will make sure to visit your suggestions once I finish that resource. Regards, Amit Kumar > Peace to ye all - Aruna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Kernelnewbies mailing list > Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org > https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-08-11 9:32 ` Amit Kumar @ 2021-08-11 9:41 ` sri vathsa 2021-08-11 11:37 ` Amit Kumar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: sri vathsa @ 2021-08-11 9:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Amit Kumar; +Cc: Cindy Sue Causey, Aruna Hewapathirane, Kernel Newbies [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 425 bytes --] Hi Amit, On Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 3:03 PM Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have got a resource which is about 5.4 LTS kernel. > Can u share that resource here, even I trying to Understand latest kernel. Thanks, Dara Srivathsa _______________________________________________ > Kernelnewbies mailing list > Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org > https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1424 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 170 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-08-11 9:41 ` sri vathsa @ 2021-08-11 11:37 ` Amit Kumar 2021-08-13 1:46 ` Amit Kumar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Amit Kumar @ 2021-08-11 11:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: sri vathsa; +Cc: Cindy Sue Causey, Aruna Hewapathirane, Kernel Newbies On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 3:11 PM sri vathsa <srivathsa729.8@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Amit, > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 3:03 PM Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> I have got a resource which is about 5.4 LTS kernel. > > > Can u share that resource here, even I trying to > Understand latest kernel. > Linux Kernel Programming on perlego.com Regards, Amit Kumar > Thanks, > Dara Srivathsa > >> _______________________________________________ >> Kernelnewbies mailing list >> Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org >> https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-08-11 11:37 ` Amit Kumar @ 2021-08-13 1:46 ` Amit Kumar 2021-08-15 16:28 ` Amit Kumar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Amit Kumar @ 2021-08-13 1:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: sri vathsa; +Cc: Cindy Sue Causey, Aruna Hewapathirane, Kernel Newbies Hi All, Because the Linux kernel uses GCC extensions, this resource is important for a Linux kernel learner. https://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-c-manual/gnu-c-manual.pdf Regards, Amit Kumar On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 5:07 PM Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 3:11 PM sri vathsa <srivathsa729.8@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Amit, > > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 3:03 PM Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> I have got a resource which is about 5.4 LTS kernel. > > > > > > Can u share that resource here, even I trying to > > Understand latest kernel. > > > Linux Kernel Programming on perlego.com > > Regards, > Amit Kumar > > Thanks, > > Dara Srivathsa > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Kernelnewbies mailing list > >> Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org > >> https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-08-13 1:46 ` Amit Kumar @ 2021-08-15 16:28 ` Amit Kumar 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Amit Kumar @ 2021-08-15 16:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: sri vathsa; +Cc: Cindy Sue Causey, Aruna Hewapathirane, Kernel Newbies https://github.com/martinezjavier/ldd3 On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 7:16 AM Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > Because the Linux kernel uses GCC extensions, this resource is > important for a Linux kernel learner. > https://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-c-manual/gnu-c-manual.pdf > > Regards, > Amit Kumar > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 5:07 PM Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 3:11 PM sri vathsa <srivathsa729.8@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Amit, > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 3:03 PM Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> I have got a resource which is about 5.4 LTS kernel. > > > > > > > > > Can u share that resource here, even I trying to > > > Understand latest kernel. > > > > > Linux Kernel Programming on perlego.com > > > > Regards, > > Amit Kumar > > > Thanks, > > > Dara Srivathsa > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Kernelnewbies mailing list > > >> Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org > > >> https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-22 14:56 ` Robert P. J. Day 2021-07-22 23:24 ` Amit Kumar @ 2021-07-24 19:26 ` Constantine Shulyupin 2021-07-24 19:38 ` Robert P. J. Day 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Constantine Shulyupin @ 2021-07-24 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert P. J. Day; +Cc: Jules Irenge, kernelnewbies On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 17:57, Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote: > as the tech editor of the r. love kernel book, i can safely say that > there are no really current kernel books out there anymore -- the best > docs are the in-kernel ones. > > also, if you want to get started mucking with the kernel and > submitting patches, consider improving the documentation -- there is a > lot of documentation that is at least a little out of date and could > use all the help it can get, and that's an easy and safe way to get > started getting your name into the kernel git log. Here is an attempt to write a new https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Linux_Kernel What do you think? _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: My effort to learn Linux kernel development 2021-07-24 19:26 ` Constantine Shulyupin @ 2021-07-24 19:38 ` Robert P. J. Day 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Robert P. J. Day @ 2021-07-24 19:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Constantine Shulyupin; +Cc: Jules Irenge, kernelnewbies On Sat, 24 Jul 2021, Constantine Shulyupin wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 17:57, Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote: > > as the tech editor of the r. love kernel book, i can safely say that > > there are no really current kernel books out there anymore -- the best > > docs are the in-kernel ones. > > > > also, if you want to get started mucking with the kernel and > > submitting patches, consider improving the documentation -- there is a > > lot of documentation that is at least a little out of date and could > > use all the help it can get, and that's an easy and safe way to get > > started getting your name into the kernel git log. > > Here is an attempt to write a new https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Linux_Kernel > What do you think? no. just ... no. if you want to invest your time in writing docs, work on the in-kernel docs. and i speak as someone who wrote a lot of docs and kept them at my own web site for years until i realized that was counter-productive. rday _______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
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